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Re: CB power
twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with > Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. No need for you to agree, he's right with or without your agreement! ;-) > How is running both leads directly to the battery "not normally > possible"??? Because the normal CB mount grounds to the metal of the body through the attachment screws as does tne normal antenna mount. To avoid ground loops it's necessary to isolate the antenna and radio mount from the car body and with some antenna types that's not possible. > You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper > way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a > trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through > the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation > method available. At least you're consistently wrong. |
Re: CB power
twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with > Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. No need for you to agree, he's right with or without your agreement! ;-) > How is running both leads directly to the battery "not normally > possible"??? Because the normal CB mount grounds to the metal of the body through the attachment screws as does tne normal antenna mount. To avoid ground loops it's necessary to isolate the antenna and radio mount from the car body and with some antenna types that's not possible. > You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper > way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a > trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through > the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation > method available. At least you're consistently wrong. |
Re: CB power
twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with > Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. No need for you to agree, he's right with or without your agreement! ;-) > How is running both leads directly to the battery "not normally > possible"??? Because the normal CB mount grounds to the metal of the body through the attachment screws as does tne normal antenna mount. To avoid ground loops it's necessary to isolate the antenna and radio mount from the car body and with some antenna types that's not possible. > You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper > way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a > trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through > the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation > method available. At least you're consistently wrong. |
Re: CB power
twaldron wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote: > >> twaldron wrote: >> >>> XS11E wrote: >>> >>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> XS11E wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> XS11E wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DougW wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground, >>>>>>>>>>>> but where? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is >>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs >>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the >>>>>>>>> battery grounds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops >>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a >>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground >>>>>>> loop? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run >>>>> both leads directly to the battery. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this thread. >>>> >>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also incorrect, >>>> proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything metal, >>>> isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna ground to >>>> the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the battery. This >>>> eliminates ground loops but requires some engineering as most >>>> antennas will ground through the mount most CB mounts will ground to >>>> the body in a typical installation. In almost all cars and trucks >>>> this works fine, in Jeeps (at least the older Wagoneers and >>>> Cherokees) it seems to create noise, don't know why? >>>> >>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a portable >>>> CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to the CB and >>>> the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher socket. It's worked >>>> well so far.... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with >>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is running >>> both leads directly to the battery "not normally possible"??? It is >>> the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way radio. You guys are posting >>> misinformation. Please read the proper way to install a two-way radio >>> before posting so Nathan can have a trouble free installation. BTW, >>> powering a two-way radio through the cigaretter lighter port is the >>> worst possible installation method available. >>> >>> tw >> >> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot >> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment >> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power source >> for those high draw applications would be ridiculous. >> > > Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly don't > need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce. > > tw No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional" amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight. -- FRH |
Re: CB power
twaldron wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote: > >> twaldron wrote: >> >>> XS11E wrote: >>> >>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> XS11E wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> XS11E wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DougW wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground, >>>>>>>>>>>> but where? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is >>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs >>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the >>>>>>>>> battery grounds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops >>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a >>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground >>>>>>> loop? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run >>>>> both leads directly to the battery. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this thread. >>>> >>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also incorrect, >>>> proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything metal, >>>> isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna ground to >>>> the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the battery. This >>>> eliminates ground loops but requires some engineering as most >>>> antennas will ground through the mount most CB mounts will ground to >>>> the body in a typical installation. In almost all cars and trucks >>>> this works fine, in Jeeps (at least the older Wagoneers and >>>> Cherokees) it seems to create noise, don't know why? >>>> >>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a portable >>>> CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to the CB and >>>> the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher socket. It's worked >>>> well so far.... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with >>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is running >>> both leads directly to the battery "not normally possible"??? It is >>> the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way radio. You guys are posting >>> misinformation. Please read the proper way to install a two-way radio >>> before posting so Nathan can have a trouble free installation. BTW, >>> powering a two-way radio through the cigaretter lighter port is the >>> worst possible installation method available. >>> >>> tw >> >> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot >> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment >> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power source >> for those high draw applications would be ridiculous. >> > > Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly don't > need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce. > > tw No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional" amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight. -- FRH |
Re: CB power
twaldron wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote: > >> twaldron wrote: >> >>> XS11E wrote: >>> >>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> XS11E wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> XS11E wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DougW wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground, >>>>>>>>>>>> but where? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is >>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs >>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the >>>>>>>>> battery grounds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops >>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a >>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground >>>>>>> loop? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run >>>>> both leads directly to the battery. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this thread. >>>> >>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also incorrect, >>>> proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything metal, >>>> isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna ground to >>>> the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the battery. This >>>> eliminates ground loops but requires some engineering as most >>>> antennas will ground through the mount most CB mounts will ground to >>>> the body in a typical installation. In almost all cars and trucks >>>> this works fine, in Jeeps (at least the older Wagoneers and >>>> Cherokees) it seems to create noise, don't know why? >>>> >>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a portable >>>> CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to the CB and >>>> the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher socket. It's worked >>>> well so far.... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with >>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is running >>> both leads directly to the battery "not normally possible"??? It is >>> the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way radio. You guys are posting >>> misinformation. Please read the proper way to install a two-way radio >>> before posting so Nathan can have a trouble free installation. BTW, >>> powering a two-way radio through the cigaretter lighter port is the >>> worst possible installation method available. >>> >>> tw >> >> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot >> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment >> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power source >> for those high draw applications would be ridiculous. >> > > Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly don't > need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce. > > tw No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional" amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight. -- FRH |
Re: CB power
twaldron wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote: > >> twaldron wrote: >> >>> XS11E wrote: >>> >>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> XS11E wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> XS11E wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DougW wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground, >>>>>>>>>>>> but where? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is >>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs >>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the >>>>>>>>> battery grounds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops >>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a >>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground >>>>>>> loop? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run >>>>> both leads directly to the battery. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this thread. >>>> >>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also incorrect, >>>> proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything metal, >>>> isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna ground to >>>> the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the battery. This >>>> eliminates ground loops but requires some engineering as most >>>> antennas will ground through the mount most CB mounts will ground to >>>> the body in a typical installation. In almost all cars and trucks >>>> this works fine, in Jeeps (at least the older Wagoneers and >>>> Cherokees) it seems to create noise, don't know why? >>>> >>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a portable >>>> CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to the CB and >>>> the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher socket. It's worked >>>> well so far.... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with >>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is running >>> both leads directly to the battery "not normally possible"??? It is >>> the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way radio. You guys are posting >>> misinformation. Please read the proper way to install a two-way radio >>> before posting so Nathan can have a trouble free installation. BTW, >>> powering a two-way radio through the cigaretter lighter port is the >>> worst possible installation method available. >>> >>> tw >> >> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot >> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment >> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power source >> for those high draw applications would be ridiculous. >> > > Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly don't > need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce. > > tw No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional" amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight. -- FRH |
Re: CB power
XS11E wrote:
> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: > > >>I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with >>Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. > > > No need for you to agree, he's right with or without your agreement! > ;-) > > >>How is running both leads directly to the battery "not normally >>possible"??? > > > Because the normal CB mount grounds to the metal of the body through > the attachment screws as does tne normal antenna mount. To avoid > ground loops it's necessary to isolate the antenna and radio mount from > the car body and with some antenna types that's not possible. > > >>You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper >>way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a >>trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through >>the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation >>method available. > > > At least you're consistently wrong. > There's drool on your chin, idiot. tw |
Re: CB power
XS11E wrote:
> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: > > >>I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with >>Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. > > > No need for you to agree, he's right with or without your agreement! > ;-) > > >>How is running both leads directly to the battery "not normally >>possible"??? > > > Because the normal CB mount grounds to the metal of the body through > the attachment screws as does tne normal antenna mount. To avoid > ground loops it's necessary to isolate the antenna and radio mount from > the car body and with some antenna types that's not possible. > > >>You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper >>way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a >>trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through >>the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation >>method available. > > > At least you're consistently wrong. > There's drool on your chin, idiot. tw |
Re: CB power
XS11E wrote:
> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote: > > >>I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with >>Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. > > > No need for you to agree, he's right with or without your agreement! > ;-) > > >>How is running both leads directly to the battery "not normally >>possible"??? > > > Because the normal CB mount grounds to the metal of the body through > the attachment screws as does tne normal antenna mount. To avoid > ground loops it's necessary to isolate the antenna and radio mount from > the car body and with some antenna types that's not possible. > > >>You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper >>way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a >>trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through >>the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation >>method available. > > > At least you're consistently wrong. > There's drool on your chin, idiot. tw |
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