billy ray

Sounds like the idle tubes are clogged


"JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
news:Psk_f.42$V61.1465@news.uswest.net...
> I took the carb. apart , cleaned it in solvent, put it back together with
> new gaskets, needle ***. and float.
> Adjusted everything according to the specs ( and yes , they came with the
> rebuild kit, thanks for the tip)
> Put it back on the engine and drove it, it ran perfect !
> Idles great and much better throttle response
>
> Now the problem I ran into is that after I shut the engine off, gas keeps
> dripping gas into the venturi causing it to start very hard, especially
> short after turning it off.
> I had that problem before the rebuild but not nearly as bad as it is doing
> it now
> I noticed it also has a minor drip when idling.
> When I have it running again, it idles and drives great again
>
> I double checked the float level (0.25"), acc.pump adjustment and needles
> and all seem OK
>
> My question is, what's causing it to flood ????????????
>
> Could it be as described in
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
>
> I'm pretty sure the idle tubes are clean. Only thing I can think off is
that
> they are loose (if thats possible)
>
> Again any help would be great
>
>
>
>
>
> "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> news:YqmYf.72$L1.12664@news.uswest.net...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Who knows a web site or has the specs for the carter 2bbl
> >
> > Looking for float level and accelerator adjustment specs.
> >
> > 88 YJ 4.2L
> >
> > Looked at alldata, has "all" the info on howto but no specs
> > Googled it and got 51.200 sites to check on "carter carburetor
> > specifications"
> >
> > Any help would be great
> >
> > T.I.A
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Another possibility is that the wrong gasket or a defective gasket is in
there. Fuel should definitely *not* leak into the venturi from the float
bowl. It is not unheard of for a new needle and seat assembly to be
defective either.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:e8061$4439fd2a$4831b233$16634@FUSE.NET...
> Sounds like the idle tubes are clogged
>
>
> "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> news:Psk_f.42$V61.1465@news.uswest.net...
> > I took the carb. apart , cleaned it in solvent, put it back together
with
> > new gaskets, needle ***. and float.
> > Adjusted everything according to the specs ( and yes , they came with
the
> > rebuild kit, thanks for the tip)
> > Put it back on the engine and drove it, it ran perfect !
> > Idles great and much better throttle response
> >
> > Now the problem I ran into is that after I shut the engine off, gas
keeps
> > dripping gas into the venturi causing it to start very hard, especially
> > short after turning it off.
> > I had that problem before the rebuild but not nearly as bad as it is
doing
> > it now
> > I noticed it also has a minor drip when idling.
> > When I have it running again, it idles and drives great again
> >
> > I double checked the float level (0.25"), acc.pump adjustment and
needles
> > and all seem OK
> >
> > My question is, what's causing it to flood ????????????
> >
> > Could it be as described in
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the idle tubes are clean. Only thing I can think off is
> that
> > they are loose (if thats possible)
> >
> > Again any help would be great
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> > news:YqmYf.72$L1.12664@news.uswest.net...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Who knows a web site or has the specs for the carter 2bbl
> > >
> > > Looking for float level and accelerator adjustment specs.
> > >
> > > 88 YJ 4.2L
> > >
> > > Looked at alldata, has "all" the info on howto but no specs
> > > Googled it and got 51.200 sites to check on "carter carburetor
> > > specifications"
> > >
> > > Any help would be great
> > >
> > > T.I.A
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Another possibility is that the wrong gasket or a defective gasket is in
there. Fuel should definitely *not* leak into the venturi from the float
bowl. It is not unheard of for a new needle and seat assembly to be
defective either.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:e8061$4439fd2a$4831b233$16634@FUSE.NET...
> Sounds like the idle tubes are clogged
>
>
> "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> news:Psk_f.42$V61.1465@news.uswest.net...
> > I took the carb. apart , cleaned it in solvent, put it back together
with
> > new gaskets, needle ***. and float.
> > Adjusted everything according to the specs ( and yes , they came with
the
> > rebuild kit, thanks for the tip)
> > Put it back on the engine and drove it, it ran perfect !
> > Idles great and much better throttle response
> >
> > Now the problem I ran into is that after I shut the engine off, gas
keeps
> > dripping gas into the venturi causing it to start very hard, especially
> > short after turning it off.
> > I had that problem before the rebuild but not nearly as bad as it is
doing
> > it now
> > I noticed it also has a minor drip when idling.
> > When I have it running again, it idles and drives great again
> >
> > I double checked the float level (0.25"), acc.pump adjustment and
needles
> > and all seem OK
> >
> > My question is, what's causing it to flood ????????????
> >
> > Could it be as described in
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the idle tubes are clean. Only thing I can think off is
> that
> > they are loose (if thats possible)
> >
> > Again any help would be great
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> > news:YqmYf.72$L1.12664@news.uswest.net...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Who knows a web site or has the specs for the carter 2bbl
> > >
> > > Looking for float level and accelerator adjustment specs.
> > >
> > > 88 YJ 4.2L
> > >
> > > Looked at alldata, has "all" the info on howto but no specs
> > > Googled it and got 51.200 sites to check on "carter carburetor
> > > specifications"
> > >
> > > Any help would be great
> > >
> > > T.I.A
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Another possibility is that the wrong gasket or a defective gasket is in
there. Fuel should definitely *not* leak into the venturi from the float
bowl. It is not unheard of for a new needle and seat assembly to be
defective either.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:e8061$4439fd2a$4831b233$16634@FUSE.NET...
> Sounds like the idle tubes are clogged
>
>
> "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> news:Psk_f.42$V61.1465@news.uswest.net...
> > I took the carb. apart , cleaned it in solvent, put it back together
with
> > new gaskets, needle ***. and float.
> > Adjusted everything according to the specs ( and yes , they came with
the
> > rebuild kit, thanks for the tip)
> > Put it back on the engine and drove it, it ran perfect !
> > Idles great and much better throttle response
> >
> > Now the problem I ran into is that after I shut the engine off, gas
keeps
> > dripping gas into the venturi causing it to start very hard, especially
> > short after turning it off.
> > I had that problem before the rebuild but not nearly as bad as it is
doing
> > it now
> > I noticed it also has a minor drip when idling.
> > When I have it running again, it idles and drives great again
> >
> > I double checked the float level (0.25"), acc.pump adjustment and
needles
> > and all seem OK
> >
> > My question is, what's causing it to flood ????????????
> >
> > Could it be as described in
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the idle tubes are clean. Only thing I can think off is
> that
> > they are loose (if thats possible)
> >
> > Again any help would be great
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> > news:YqmYf.72$L1.12664@news.uswest.net...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Who knows a web site or has the specs for the carter 2bbl
> > >
> > > Looking for float level and accelerator adjustment specs.
> > >
> > > 88 YJ 4.2L
> > >
> > > Looked at alldata, has "all" the info on howto but no specs
> > > Googled it and got 51.200 sites to check on "carter carburetor
> > > specifications"
> > >
> > > Any help would be great
> > >
> > > T.I.A
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mike Romain

I have had the exact same trouble with the last kit I put in. The float
needle and seat were bad. The store warrantied them.

The idle tubes are those two long brass tubes that hang down. They are
real sneaky for plugging up. I can just remove the choke plate and then
the two screws holding the venturi in and lift and twist the venturi
around so it slips out without removing the whole top of the carb for
cleaning. You have to blow through the tubes to make sure they are
clear. The tubes 'can' fall out too.

As a note, the solvent will 'not' clear blocked tubes. They do need to
be reamed out with a piece of wire at the least, and oversized with a
welding torch tip drill or file to help keep the suckers clear. I think
half the dirt that gets in them comes from that U shaped chunk of gas
line between the filter and carb. It needs serious cleaning on most.

Here is a link on the tubes:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html

Don't forget that the gas filter has to be in right side up.... It has
2 outlets. The center one goes to the carb and the top one goes to the
return line. If the return line isn't up top, gas can syphon back to
the tank when it sits.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JohanB wrote:
>
> I took the carb. apart , cleaned it in solvent, put it back together with
> new gaskets, needle ***. and float.
> Adjusted everything according to the specs ( and yes , they came with the
> rebuild kit, thanks for the tip)
> Put it back on the engine and drove it, it ran perfect !
> Idles great and much better throttle response
>
> Now the problem I ran into is that after I shut the engine off, gas keeps
> dripping gas into the venturi causing it to start very hard, especially
> short after turning it off.
> I had that problem before the rebuild but not nearly as bad as it is doing
> it now
> I noticed it also has a minor drip when idling.
> When I have it running again, it idles and drives great again
>
> I double checked the float level (0.25"), acc.pump adjustment and needles
> and all seem OK
>
> My question is, what's causing it to flood ????????????
>
> Could it be as described in
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
>
> I'm pretty sure the idle tubes are clean. Only thing I can think off is that
> they are loose (if thats possible)
>
> Again any help would be great
>
> "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> news:YqmYf.72$L1.12664@news.uswest.net...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Who knows a web site or has the specs for the carter 2bbl
> >
> > Looking for float level and accelerator adjustment specs.
> >
> > 88 YJ 4.2L
> >
> > Looked at alldata, has "all" the info on howto but no specs
> > Googled it and got 51.200 sites to check on "carter carburetor
> > specifications"
> >
> > Any help would be great
> >
> > T.I.A
> >
> >

Mike Romain

I have had the exact same trouble with the last kit I put in. The float
needle and seat were bad. The store warrantied them.

The idle tubes are those two long brass tubes that hang down. They are
real sneaky for plugging up. I can just remove the choke plate and then
the two screws holding the venturi in and lift and twist the venturi
around so it slips out without removing the whole top of the carb for
cleaning. You have to blow through the tubes to make sure they are
clear. The tubes 'can' fall out too.

As a note, the solvent will 'not' clear blocked tubes. They do need to
be reamed out with a piece of wire at the least, and oversized with a
welding torch tip drill or file to help keep the suckers clear. I think
half the dirt that gets in them comes from that U shaped chunk of gas
line between the filter and carb. It needs serious cleaning on most.

Here is a link on the tubes:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html

Don't forget that the gas filter has to be in right side up.... It has
2 outlets. The center one goes to the carb and the top one goes to the
return line. If the return line isn't up top, gas can syphon back to
the tank when it sits.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JohanB wrote:
>
> I took the carb. apart , cleaned it in solvent, put it back together with
> new gaskets, needle ***. and float.
> Adjusted everything according to the specs ( and yes , they came with the
> rebuild kit, thanks for the tip)
> Put it back on the engine and drove it, it ran perfect !
> Idles great and much better throttle response
>
> Now the problem I ran into is that after I shut the engine off, gas keeps
> dripping gas into the venturi causing it to start very hard, especially
> short after turning it off.
> I had that problem before the rebuild but not nearly as bad as it is doing
> it now
> I noticed it also has a minor drip when idling.
> When I have it running again, it idles and drives great again
>
> I double checked the float level (0.25"), acc.pump adjustment and needles
> and all seem OK
>
> My question is, what's causing it to flood ????????????
>
> Could it be as described in
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
>
> I'm pretty sure the idle tubes are clean. Only thing I can think off is that
> they are loose (if thats possible)
>
> Again any help would be great
>
> "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> news:YqmYf.72$L1.12664@news.uswest.net...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Who knows a web site or has the specs for the carter 2bbl
> >
> > Looking for float level and accelerator adjustment specs.
> >
> > 88 YJ 4.2L
> >
> > Looked at alldata, has "all" the info on howto but no specs
> > Googled it and got 51.200 sites to check on "carter carburetor
> > specifications"
> >
> > Any help would be great
> >
> > T.I.A
> >
> >

Mike Romain

I have had the exact same trouble with the last kit I put in. The float
needle and seat were bad. The store warrantied them.

The idle tubes are those two long brass tubes that hang down. They are
real sneaky for plugging up. I can just remove the choke plate and then
the two screws holding the venturi in and lift and twist the venturi
around so it slips out without removing the whole top of the carb for
cleaning. You have to blow through the tubes to make sure they are
clear. The tubes 'can' fall out too.

As a note, the solvent will 'not' clear blocked tubes. They do need to
be reamed out with a piece of wire at the least, and oversized with a
welding torch tip drill or file to help keep the suckers clear. I think
half the dirt that gets in them comes from that U shaped chunk of gas
line between the filter and carb. It needs serious cleaning on most.

Here is a link on the tubes:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html

Don't forget that the gas filter has to be in right side up.... It has
2 outlets. The center one goes to the carb and the top one goes to the
return line. If the return line isn't up top, gas can syphon back to
the tank when it sits.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

JohanB wrote:
>
> I took the carb. apart , cleaned it in solvent, put it back together with
> new gaskets, needle ***. and float.
> Adjusted everything according to the specs ( and yes , they came with the
> rebuild kit, thanks for the tip)
> Put it back on the engine and drove it, it ran perfect !
> Idles great and much better throttle response
>
> Now the problem I ran into is that after I shut the engine off, gas keeps
> dripping gas into the venturi causing it to start very hard, especially
> short after turning it off.
> I had that problem before the rebuild but not nearly as bad as it is doing
> it now
> I noticed it also has a minor drip when idling.
> When I have it running again, it idles and drives great again
>
> I double checked the float level (0.25"), acc.pump adjustment and needles
> and all seem OK
>
> My question is, what's causing it to flood ????????????
>
> Could it be as described in
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
>
> I'm pretty sure the idle tubes are clean. Only thing I can think off is that
> they are loose (if thats possible)
>
> Again any help would be great
>
> "JohanB" <ollieb1oREMOVE@THIScs.com> wrote in message
> news:YqmYf.72$L1.12664@news.uswest.net...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Who knows a web site or has the specs for the carter 2bbl
> >
> > Looking for float level and accelerator adjustment specs.
> >
> > 88 YJ 4.2L
> >
> > Looked at alldata, has "all" the info on howto but no specs
> > Googled it and got 51.200 sites to check on "carter carburetor
> > specifications"
> >
> > Any help would be great
> >
> > T.I.A
> >
> >

JohanB

Hey....

Took the idle tubes out like you suggested.
They were clean
double checked everything and found that the idiot that "overhauled " it
before swapped the gaskets.
He put the lower gasket between the idle tube cover and the idle tube gasket
under the venturi cluster causing it to leave a little gap between the idle
tube cover and venturi cluster where the gas dripped out.

Off course the last idiot that worked on it just peeled the old gaskets off
and also put the new 1's in wrong
( oh wait , that was me...... :-) )

after starting it and cleaning the gas out off the manifold I started it
again after an hour and it fired right up


Thanks yall for the tips




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:443A6531.9C0108CB@sympatico.ca...
> I have had the exact same trouble with the last kit I put in. The float
> needle and seat were bad. The store warrantied them.
>
> The idle tubes are those two long brass tubes that hang down. They are
> real sneaky for plugging up. I can just remove the choke plate and then
> the two screws holding the venturi in and lift and twist the venturi
> around so it slips out without removing the whole top of the carb for
> cleaning. You have to blow through the tubes to make sure they are
> clear. The tubes 'can' fall out too.
>
> As a note, the solvent will 'not' clear blocked tubes. They do need to
> be reamed out with a piece of wire at the least, and oversized with a
> welding torch tip drill or file to help keep the suckers clear. I think
> half the dirt that gets in them comes from that U shaped chunk of gas
> line between the filter and carb. It needs serious cleaning on most.
>
> Here is a link on the tubes:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
>
> Don't forget that the gas filter has to be in right side up.... It has
> 2 outlets. The center one goes to the carb and the top one goes to the
> return line. If the return line isn't up top, gas can syphon back to
> the tank when it sits.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>

JohanB

Hey....

Took the idle tubes out like you suggested.
They were clean
double checked everything and found that the idiot that "overhauled " it
before swapped the gaskets.
He put the lower gasket between the idle tube cover and the idle tube gasket
under the venturi cluster causing it to leave a little gap between the idle
tube cover and venturi cluster where the gas dripped out.

Off course the last idiot that worked on it just peeled the old gaskets off
and also put the new 1's in wrong
( oh wait , that was me...... :-) )

after starting it and cleaning the gas out off the manifold I started it
again after an hour and it fired right up


Thanks yall for the tips




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:443A6531.9C0108CB@sympatico.ca...
> I have had the exact same trouble with the last kit I put in. The float
> needle and seat were bad. The store warrantied them.
>
> The idle tubes are those two long brass tubes that hang down. They are
> real sneaky for plugging up. I can just remove the choke plate and then
> the two screws holding the venturi in and lift and twist the venturi
> around so it slips out without removing the whole top of the carb for
> cleaning. You have to blow through the tubes to make sure they are
> clear. The tubes 'can' fall out too.
>
> As a note, the solvent will 'not' clear blocked tubes. They do need to
> be reamed out with a piece of wire at the least, and oversized with a
> welding torch tip drill or file to help keep the suckers clear. I think
> half the dirt that gets in them comes from that U shaped chunk of gas
> line between the filter and carb. It needs serious cleaning on most.
>
> Here is a link on the tubes:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
>
> Don't forget that the gas filter has to be in right side up.... It has
> 2 outlets. The center one goes to the carb and the top one goes to the
> return line. If the return line isn't up top, gas can syphon back to
> the tank when it sits.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>

JohanB

Hey....

Took the idle tubes out like you suggested.
They were clean
double checked everything and found that the idiot that "overhauled " it
before swapped the gaskets.
He put the lower gasket between the idle tube cover and the idle tube gasket
under the venturi cluster causing it to leave a little gap between the idle
tube cover and venturi cluster where the gas dripped out.

Off course the last idiot that worked on it just peeled the old gaskets off
and also put the new 1's in wrong
( oh wait , that was me...... :-) )

after starting it and cleaning the gas out off the manifold I started it
again after an hour and it fired right up


Thanks yall for the tips




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:443A6531.9C0108CB@sympatico.ca...
> I have had the exact same trouble with the last kit I put in. The float
> needle and seat were bad. The store warrantied them.
>
> The idle tubes are those two long brass tubes that hang down. They are
> real sneaky for plugging up. I can just remove the choke plate and then
> the two screws holding the venturi in and lift and twist the venturi
> around so it slips out without removing the whole top of the carb for
> cleaning. You have to blow through the tubes to make sure they are
> clear. The tubes 'can' fall out too.
>
> As a note, the solvent will 'not' clear blocked tubes. They do need to
> be reamed out with a piece of wire at the least, and oversized with a
> welding torch tip drill or file to help keep the suckers clear. I think
> half the dirt that gets in them comes from that U shaped chunk of gas
> line between the filter and carb. It needs serious cleaning on most.
>
> Here is a link on the tubes:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
>
> Don't forget that the gas filter has to be in right side up.... It has
> 2 outlets. The center one goes to the carb and the top one goes to the
> return line. If the return line isn't up top, gas can syphon back to
> the tank when it sits.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>