Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I would go with the 4.0 sixer and selec-trac in an option heavy Laredo.
The 4.7 has a powerband that's not far above the six...add a K&N filter and free-flowing muffler to the 4.0 and you will catch yourself trolling for hotrods on the wet streets while in the NP242 fulltime mode. ALL the GC auto trannies have "issues"......do a search. My bud bought his WJ w/4.7V8-Quadra-crap....lousy MPG. I run my '01 4.0 -selec-trac 650 miles a week, good mpg and pass everything on the road in rain/snow/late for work mode. I'm on my third 4.0 powered Jeep and have found these motors virtually bullet-proof. |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I would go with the 4.0 sixer and selec-trac in an option heavy Laredo.
The 4.7 has a powerband that's not far above the six...add a K&N filter and free-flowing muffler to the 4.0 and you will catch yourself trolling for hotrods on the wet streets while in the NP242 fulltime mode. ALL the GC auto trannies have "issues"......do a search. My bud bought his WJ w/4.7V8-Quadra-crap....lousy MPG. I run my '01 4.0 -selec-trac 650 miles a week, good mpg and pass everything on the road in rain/snow/late for work mode. I'm on my third 4.0 powered Jeep and have found these motors virtually bullet-proof. |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I would go with the 4.0 sixer and selec-trac in an option heavy Laredo.
The 4.7 has a powerband that's not far above the six...add a K&N filter and free-flowing muffler to the 4.0 and you will catch yourself trolling for hotrods on the wet streets while in the NP242 fulltime mode. ALL the GC auto trannies have "issues"......do a search. My bud bought his WJ w/4.7V8-Quadra-crap....lousy MPG. I run my '01 4.0 -selec-trac 650 miles a week, good mpg and pass everything on the road in rain/snow/late for work mode. I'm on my third 4.0 powered Jeep and have found these motors virtually bullet-proof. |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I really enjoy this group. You guys are giving me such good information!
I'm not sure if the V8 w/ Selec-Trac have the Dana 44. Maybe someone else will chime in. I never fail to look underneath. There's always a story there. Thanks for your input Al. D "Al J" <ajsmail@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1f2a7c61332554ec9898ae@news.xnet.com... > I've been looking at WJ's as well and another somewhat common problem > area I encountered is pulling to the right. An '04 I test drove would > lane-change in a millisecond at 70 mph if I let go of the wheel. Even in > the left hand lane crowned the opposite way it wanted to go right. A > search of this newsgroup and the WJ site turned up something about > variations in a weld location causing a bad caster angle on some WJ's. > I'm not sure if there's a fix for this, but I passed on that one. > > Regarding gas mileage, at least with the I6 trailer tow gets you a lower > axle ratio which will probably hurts mileage more than the transfer > case. Do V8's with Selectrac have the aluminum Dana 44? > > I did run across what I call a 'Katrina' '04 WJ this past weekend. The > bottom edge of the trans cooler was solid rust and the paint was gone > off the bottom 2 inches of the AC condenser up front. There was rust on > the front pumpkin which was leaking and a freshly painted rear axle with > new sealer on the cover. It also had brand new rotors all around. It > must have been sitting in something pretty toxic to eat the paint off > the condenser. I passed on that as well, but it confirmed that a good > look underneath is worthwhile. > > In article <a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET>, > billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net says... > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your > > factory radio. > > > > Other differences. > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > Hi All, > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > airbags, > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > > some from that. > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > make > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > > $15,200 > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > > trim > > > on a Laredo. > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > behind > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > Thanks. > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I really enjoy this group. You guys are giving me such good information!
I'm not sure if the V8 w/ Selec-Trac have the Dana 44. Maybe someone else will chime in. I never fail to look underneath. There's always a story there. Thanks for your input Al. D "Al J" <ajsmail@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1f2a7c61332554ec9898ae@news.xnet.com... > I've been looking at WJ's as well and another somewhat common problem > area I encountered is pulling to the right. An '04 I test drove would > lane-change in a millisecond at 70 mph if I let go of the wheel. Even in > the left hand lane crowned the opposite way it wanted to go right. A > search of this newsgroup and the WJ site turned up something about > variations in a weld location causing a bad caster angle on some WJ's. > I'm not sure if there's a fix for this, but I passed on that one. > > Regarding gas mileage, at least with the I6 trailer tow gets you a lower > axle ratio which will probably hurts mileage more than the transfer > case. Do V8's with Selectrac have the aluminum Dana 44? > > I did run across what I call a 'Katrina' '04 WJ this past weekend. The > bottom edge of the trans cooler was solid rust and the paint was gone > off the bottom 2 inches of the AC condenser up front. There was rust on > the front pumpkin which was leaking and a freshly painted rear axle with > new sealer on the cover. It also had brand new rotors all around. It > must have been sitting in something pretty toxic to eat the paint off > the condenser. I passed on that as well, but it confirmed that a good > look underneath is worthwhile. > > In article <a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET>, > billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net says... > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your > > factory radio. > > > > Other differences. > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > Hi All, > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > airbags, > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > > some from that. > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > make > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > > $15,200 > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > > trim > > > on a Laredo. > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > behind > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > Thanks. > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I really enjoy this group. You guys are giving me such good information!
I'm not sure if the V8 w/ Selec-Trac have the Dana 44. Maybe someone else will chime in. I never fail to look underneath. There's always a story there. Thanks for your input Al. D "Al J" <ajsmail@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1f2a7c61332554ec9898ae@news.xnet.com... > I've been looking at WJ's as well and another somewhat common problem > area I encountered is pulling to the right. An '04 I test drove would > lane-change in a millisecond at 70 mph if I let go of the wheel. Even in > the left hand lane crowned the opposite way it wanted to go right. A > search of this newsgroup and the WJ site turned up something about > variations in a weld location causing a bad caster angle on some WJ's. > I'm not sure if there's a fix for this, but I passed on that one. > > Regarding gas mileage, at least with the I6 trailer tow gets you a lower > axle ratio which will probably hurts mileage more than the transfer > case. Do V8's with Selectrac have the aluminum Dana 44? > > I did run across what I call a 'Katrina' '04 WJ this past weekend. The > bottom edge of the trans cooler was solid rust and the paint was gone > off the bottom 2 inches of the AC condenser up front. There was rust on > the front pumpkin which was leaking and a freshly painted rear axle with > new sealer on the cover. It also had brand new rotors all around. It > must have been sitting in something pretty toxic to eat the paint off > the condenser. I passed on that as well, but it confirmed that a good > look underneath is worthwhile. > > In article <a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET>, > billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net says... > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your > > factory radio. > > > > Other differences. > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > Hi All, > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > airbags, > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > > some from that. > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > make > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > > $15,200 > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > > trim > > > on a Laredo. > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > behind > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > Thanks. > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I really enjoy this group. You guys are giving me such good information!
I'm not sure if the V8 w/ Selec-Trac have the Dana 44. Maybe someone else will chime in. I never fail to look underneath. There's always a story there. Thanks for your input Al. D "Al J" <ajsmail@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1f2a7c61332554ec9898ae@news.xnet.com... > I've been looking at WJ's as well and another somewhat common problem > area I encountered is pulling to the right. An '04 I test drove would > lane-change in a millisecond at 70 mph if I let go of the wheel. Even in > the left hand lane crowned the opposite way it wanted to go right. A > search of this newsgroup and the WJ site turned up something about > variations in a weld location causing a bad caster angle on some WJ's. > I'm not sure if there's a fix for this, but I passed on that one. > > Regarding gas mileage, at least with the I6 trailer tow gets you a lower > axle ratio which will probably hurts mileage more than the transfer > case. Do V8's with Selectrac have the aluminum Dana 44? > > I did run across what I call a 'Katrina' '04 WJ this past weekend. The > bottom edge of the trans cooler was solid rust and the paint was gone > off the bottom 2 inches of the AC condenser up front. There was rust on > the front pumpkin which was leaking and a freshly painted rear axle with > new sealer on the cover. It also had brand new rotors all around. It > must have been sitting in something pretty toxic to eat the paint off > the condenser. I passed on that as well, but it confirmed that a good > look underneath is worthwhile. > > In article <a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET>, > billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net says... > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your > > factory radio. > > > > Other differences. > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > Hi All, > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > airbags, > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > > some from that. > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > make > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > > $15,200 > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > > trim > > > on a Laredo. > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > behind > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > Thanks. > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Edward.
I think the 4.0 is actually bullet-proof. Mine's over 276K. Only big problems' been in the accessories. That tells me a lot about the bling bling on the Limited's too. What is a K&N filter? Seems like I should know, but didn't sleep well last night. THanks again. D "EDWARD BELLUS" <EDdaTREE@webtv.net> wrote in message news:25484-44C0E435-261@storefull-3313.bay.webtv.net... > I would go with the 4.0 sixer and selec-trac in an option heavy Laredo. > The 4.7 has a powerband that's not far above the six...add a K&N filter > and free-flowing muffler to the 4.0 and you will catch yourself trolling > for hotrods on the wet streets while in the NP242 fulltime mode. ALL the > GC auto trannies have "issues"......do a search. My bud bought his WJ > w/4.7V8-Quadra-crap....lousy MPG. I run my '01 4.0 -selec-trac 650 miles > a week, good mpg and pass everything on the road in rain/snow/late for > work mode. I'm on my third 4.0 powered Jeep and have found these motors > virtually bullet-proof. > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Edward.
I think the 4.0 is actually bullet-proof. Mine's over 276K. Only big problems' been in the accessories. That tells me a lot about the bling bling on the Limited's too. What is a K&N filter? Seems like I should know, but didn't sleep well last night. THanks again. D "EDWARD BELLUS" <EDdaTREE@webtv.net> wrote in message news:25484-44C0E435-261@storefull-3313.bay.webtv.net... > I would go with the 4.0 sixer and selec-trac in an option heavy Laredo. > The 4.7 has a powerband that's not far above the six...add a K&N filter > and free-flowing muffler to the 4.0 and you will catch yourself trolling > for hotrods on the wet streets while in the NP242 fulltime mode. ALL the > GC auto trannies have "issues"......do a search. My bud bought his WJ > w/4.7V8-Quadra-crap....lousy MPG. I run my '01 4.0 -selec-trac 650 miles > a week, good mpg and pass everything on the road in rain/snow/late for > work mode. I'm on my third 4.0 powered Jeep and have found these motors > virtually bullet-proof. > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Edward.
I think the 4.0 is actually bullet-proof. Mine's over 276K. Only big problems' been in the accessories. That tells me a lot about the bling bling on the Limited's too. What is a K&N filter? Seems like I should know, but didn't sleep well last night. THanks again. D "EDWARD BELLUS" <EDdaTREE@webtv.net> wrote in message news:25484-44C0E435-261@storefull-3313.bay.webtv.net... > I would go with the 4.0 sixer and selec-trac in an option heavy Laredo. > The 4.7 has a powerband that's not far above the six...add a K&N filter > and free-flowing muffler to the 4.0 and you will catch yourself trolling > for hotrods on the wet streets while in the NP242 fulltime mode. ALL the > GC auto trannies have "issues"......do a search. My bud bought his WJ > w/4.7V8-Quadra-crap....lousy MPG. I run my '01 4.0 -selec-trac 650 miles > a week, good mpg and pass everything on the road in rain/snow/late for > work mode. I'm on my third 4.0 powered Jeep and have found these motors > virtually bullet-proof. > |
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