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Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Hi All,
I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles I'm comparing for purchase. Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact airbags, 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down some from that. Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options make it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, $15,200 V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited trim on a Laredo. Any candid thoughts? I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good behind that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. Thanks. D |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
D wrote:
> Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > airbags, 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will > come down some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > make it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > trim on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > behind that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D FWIW: Mostly "Personal Choice". Myself, I'd go for the Limited even with its higher mileage. I like the Ltd amenities and the full-time 4WD. One of my drives is a 96 JGC Ltd with 175K+ on it and it still looks and runs absolutely great (except for the FM radio). On the other hand, the lower mileage Laredo is hardly broken in and perhaps underutilized so things "might" break sooner than later. Good luck. Bob |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
D wrote:
> Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > airbags, 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will > come down some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > make it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > trim on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > behind that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D FWIW: Mostly "Personal Choice". Myself, I'd go for the Limited even with its higher mileage. I like the Ltd amenities and the full-time 4WD. One of my drives is a 96 JGC Ltd with 175K+ on it and it still looks and runs absolutely great (except for the FM radio). On the other hand, the lower mileage Laredo is hardly broken in and perhaps underutilized so things "might" break sooner than later. Good luck. Bob |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
D wrote:
> Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > airbags, 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will > come down some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > make it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > trim on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > behind that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D FWIW: Mostly "Personal Choice". Myself, I'd go for the Limited even with its higher mileage. I like the Ltd amenities and the full-time 4WD. One of my drives is a 96 JGC Ltd with 175K+ on it and it still looks and runs absolutely great (except for the FM radio). On the other hand, the lower mileage Laredo is hardly broken in and perhaps underutilized so things "might" break sooner than later. Good luck. Bob |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
D wrote:
> Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > airbags, 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will > come down some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > make it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > trim on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > behind that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D FWIW: Mostly "Personal Choice". Myself, I'd go for the Limited even with its higher mileage. I like the Ltd amenities and the full-time 4WD. One of my drives is a 96 JGC Ltd with 175K+ on it and it still looks and runs absolutely great (except for the FM radio). On the other hand, the lower mileage Laredo is hardly broken in and perhaps underutilized so things "might" break sooner than later. Good luck. Bob |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I think: http://www.carfax.com/ is worth the money, specially after
all the flooding. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ D wrote: > > Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact airbags, > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options make > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited trim > on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good behind > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I think: http://www.carfax.com/ is worth the money, specially after
all the flooding. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ D wrote: > > Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact airbags, > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options make > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited trim > on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good behind > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I think: http://www.carfax.com/ is worth the money, specially after
all the flooding. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ D wrote: > > Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact airbags, > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options make > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited trim > on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good behind > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I think: http://www.carfax.com/ is worth the money, specially after
all the flooding. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ D wrote: > > Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact airbags, > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options make > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited trim > on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good behind > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the
most common cause of expensive repairs. The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 in parts. There may well be no warning before failure The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your driveway in a few minutes If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your factory radio. Other differences. Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > airbags, > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > make > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > trim > on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > behind > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the
most common cause of expensive repairs. The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 in parts. There may well be no warning before failure The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your driveway in a few minutes If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your factory radio. Other differences. Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > airbags, > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > make > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > trim > on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > behind > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the
most common cause of expensive repairs. The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 in parts. There may well be no warning before failure The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your driveway in a few minutes If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your factory radio. Other differences. Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > airbags, > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > make > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > trim > on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > behind > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the
most common cause of expensive repairs. The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 in parts. There may well be no warning before failure The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your driveway in a few minutes If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your factory radio. Other differences. Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Hi All, > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > I'm comparing for purchase. > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > airbags, > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > some from that. > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > make > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > $15,200 > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > trim > on a Laredo. > Any candid thoughts? > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > behind > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > Thanks. > D > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Good thoughts Bob. The amenites are nice and I like the side airbag curtain
idea. I did a oil pump at about 90K on my 93 ZJ inline 6. Makes me a little gun shy, but I would be able to afford the extended warranty with the lower price. Oh, decisions, decisions. Thank you so much. "bobmct" <r.mariottiX@fdcx.netX> wrote in message news:R9Vvg.7$5v3.542@news.ntplx.net... > D wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > airbags, 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will > > come down some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > make it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > trim on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > behind that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D > FWIW: Mostly "Personal Choice". > > Myself, I'd go for the Limited even with its higher mileage. I like the Ltd > amenities and the full-time 4WD. > > One of my drives is a 96 JGC Ltd with 175K+ on it and it still looks and > runs absolutely great (except for the FM radio). > > On the other hand, the lower mileage Laredo is hardly broken in and perhaps > underutilized so things "might" break sooner than later. > > Good luck. > > Bob |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Good thoughts Bob. The amenites are nice and I like the side airbag curtain
idea. I did a oil pump at about 90K on my 93 ZJ inline 6. Makes me a little gun shy, but I would be able to afford the extended warranty with the lower price. Oh, decisions, decisions. Thank you so much. "bobmct" <r.mariottiX@fdcx.netX> wrote in message news:R9Vvg.7$5v3.542@news.ntplx.net... > D wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > airbags, 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will > > come down some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > make it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > trim on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > behind that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D > FWIW: Mostly "Personal Choice". > > Myself, I'd go for the Limited even with its higher mileage. I like the Ltd > amenities and the full-time 4WD. > > One of my drives is a 96 JGC Ltd with 175K+ on it and it still looks and > runs absolutely great (except for the FM radio). > > On the other hand, the lower mileage Laredo is hardly broken in and perhaps > underutilized so things "might" break sooner than later. > > Good luck. > > Bob |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Good thoughts Bob. The amenites are nice and I like the side airbag curtain
idea. I did a oil pump at about 90K on my 93 ZJ inline 6. Makes me a little gun shy, but I would be able to afford the extended warranty with the lower price. Oh, decisions, decisions. Thank you so much. "bobmct" <r.mariottiX@fdcx.netX> wrote in message news:R9Vvg.7$5v3.542@news.ntplx.net... > D wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > airbags, 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will > > come down some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > make it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > trim on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > behind that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D > FWIW: Mostly "Personal Choice". > > Myself, I'd go for the Limited even with its higher mileage. I like the Ltd > amenities and the full-time 4WD. > > One of my drives is a 96 JGC Ltd with 175K+ on it and it still looks and > runs absolutely great (except for the FM radio). > > On the other hand, the lower mileage Laredo is hardly broken in and perhaps > underutilized so things "might" break sooner than later. > > Good luck. > > Bob |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Good thoughts Bob. The amenites are nice and I like the side airbag curtain
idea. I did a oil pump at about 90K on my 93 ZJ inline 6. Makes me a little gun shy, but I would be able to afford the extended warranty with the lower price. Oh, decisions, decisions. Thank you so much. "bobmct" <r.mariottiX@fdcx.netX> wrote in message news:R9Vvg.7$5v3.542@news.ntplx.net... > D wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > airbags, 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will > > come down some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > make it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > trim on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > behind that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D > FWIW: Mostly "Personal Choice". > > Myself, I'd go for the Limited even with its higher mileage. I like the Ltd > amenities and the full-time 4WD. > > One of my drives is a 96 JGC Ltd with 175K+ on it and it still looks and > runs absolutely great (except for the FM radio). > > On the other hand, the lower mileage Laredo is hardly broken in and perhaps > underutilized so things "might" break sooner than later. > > Good luck. > > Bob |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I should have mentioned it, but both do have the Carfax report. I don't
wholly rely on Carfax entirely because of backyard fixes and the like, but it is a good starting point for Louisiana cars. Unless somebody happened to be down there on vacation. Nothing is certain in life is it? Heh. Thanks Bill. I was waiting for you input especially. Doug are you around on this too? D "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44C01FDA.4C615F09@cox.net... > I think: http://www.carfax.com/ is worth the money, specially after > all the flooding. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > D wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact airbags, > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options make > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited trim > > on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good behind > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I should have mentioned it, but both do have the Carfax report. I don't
wholly rely on Carfax entirely because of backyard fixes and the like, but it is a good starting point for Louisiana cars. Unless somebody happened to be down there on vacation. Nothing is certain in life is it? Heh. Thanks Bill. I was waiting for you input especially. Doug are you around on this too? D "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44C01FDA.4C615F09@cox.net... > I think: http://www.carfax.com/ is worth the money, specially after > all the flooding. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > D wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact airbags, > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options make > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited trim > > on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good behind > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I should have mentioned it, but both do have the Carfax report. I don't
wholly rely on Carfax entirely because of backyard fixes and the like, but it is a good starting point for Louisiana cars. Unless somebody happened to be down there on vacation. Nothing is certain in life is it? Heh. Thanks Bill. I was waiting for you input especially. Doug are you around on this too? D "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44C01FDA.4C615F09@cox.net... > I think: http://www.carfax.com/ is worth the money, specially after > all the flooding. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > D wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact airbags, > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options make > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited trim > > on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good behind > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I should have mentioned it, but both do have the Carfax report. I don't
wholly rely on Carfax entirely because of backyard fixes and the like, but it is a good starting point for Louisiana cars. Unless somebody happened to be down there on vacation. Nothing is certain in life is it? Heh. Thanks Bill. I was waiting for you input especially. Doug are you around on this too? D "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44C01FDA.4C615F09@cox.net... > I think: http://www.carfax.com/ is worth the money, specially after > all the flooding. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > D wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact airbags, > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options make > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited trim > > on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good behind > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have
been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249 xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so smooth. Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of information. Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > driveway in a few minutes > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your > factory radio. > > Other differences. > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > airbags, > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > make > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > trim > > on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > behind > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have
been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249 xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so smooth. Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of information. Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > driveway in a few minutes > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your > factory radio. > > Other differences. > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > airbags, > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > make > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > trim > > on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > behind > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have
been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249 xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so smooth. Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of information. Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > driveway in a few minutes > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your > factory radio. > > Other differences. > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > airbags, > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > make > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > trim > > on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > behind > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have
been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249 xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so smooth. Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of information. Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are the > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a vehicle > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When it > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the ATC. > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan speeds. > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > driveway in a few minutes > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can also > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in your > factory radio. > > Other differences. > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Hi All, > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two vehicles > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very clean > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > airbags, > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come down > > some from that. > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > make > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > $15,200 > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > trim > > on a Laredo. > > Any candid thoughts? > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > behind > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > Thanks. > > D > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially expensive repair argument. Good luck! Earle "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249 > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > smooth. > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > information. > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > the > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > vehicle > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > it > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > ATC. > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > speeds. > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > also > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > your > > factory radio. > > > > Other differences. > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > Hi All, > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > vehicles > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > clean > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > airbags, > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > down > > > some from that. > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > make > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > > $15,200 > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > > trim > > > on a Laredo. > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > behind > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > Thanks. > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially expensive repair argument. Good luck! Earle "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249 > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > smooth. > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > information. > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > the > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > vehicle > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > it > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > ATC. > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > speeds. > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > also > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > your > > factory radio. > > > > Other differences. > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > Hi All, > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > vehicles > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > clean > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > airbags, > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > down > > > some from that. > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > make > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > > $15,200 > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > > trim > > > on a Laredo. > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > behind > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > Thanks. > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially expensive repair argument. Good luck! Earle "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249 > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > smooth. > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > information. > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > the > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > vehicle > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > it > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > ATC. > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > speeds. > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > also > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > your > > factory radio. > > > > Other differences. > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > Hi All, > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > vehicles > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > clean > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > airbags, > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > down > > > some from that. > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > make > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > > $15,200 > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > > trim > > > on a Laredo. > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > behind > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > Thanks. > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially expensive repair argument. Good luck! Earle "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 have > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the nv249 > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance you > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside during > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > smooth. > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional part-time > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. I > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > information. > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > the > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in the > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace $12 > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > vehicle > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > it > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The real > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > ATC. > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > speeds. > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department in > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, you > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > also > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > your > > factory radio. > > > > Other differences. > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in highway > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > Hi All, > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > vehicles > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > clean > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on front, > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > airbags, > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > down > > > some from that. > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > make > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > > > $15,200 > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > > > trim > > > on a Laredo. > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > behind > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > Thanks. > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Earle.
Very good thoughts about the Selec-Trac. I only wish I could get him down a couple hundred more $'s and I think it would be a deal. D "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44c03bce$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it > doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos > to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between > the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a > true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage > concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved > bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than > Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front > hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which > concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially > expensive repair argument. > > Good luck! > > Earle > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > have > > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > nv249 > > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > you > > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > during > > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > > smooth. > > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > part-time > > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > I > > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > > information. > > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > > the > > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in > the > > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor > to > > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace > $12 > > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > > vehicle > > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when > accelerating > > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. > When > > it > > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The > real > > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > > ATC. > > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > > speeds. > > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department > in > > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, > you > > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > > also > > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > > your > > > factory radio. > > > > > > Other differences. > > > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in > highway > > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > > vehicles > > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > > clean > > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive > system. > > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on > front, > > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > > airbags, > > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > > down > > > > some from that. > > > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also > very > > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > > make > > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest > price, > > > > $15,200 > > > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the > Limited > > > > trim > > > > on a Laredo. > > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > > behind > > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > > Thanks. > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Earle.
Very good thoughts about the Selec-Trac. I only wish I could get him down a couple hundred more $'s and I think it would be a deal. D "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44c03bce$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it > doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos > to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between > the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a > true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage > concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved > bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than > Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front > hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which > concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially > expensive repair argument. > > Good luck! > > Earle > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > have > > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > nv249 > > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > you > > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > during > > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > > smooth. > > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > part-time > > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > I > > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > > information. > > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > > the > > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in > the > > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor > to > > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace > $12 > > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > > vehicle > > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when > accelerating > > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. > When > > it > > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The > real > > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > > ATC. > > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > > speeds. > > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department > in > > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, > you > > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > > also > > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > > your > > > factory radio. > > > > > > Other differences. > > > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in > highway > > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > > vehicles > > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > > clean > > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive > system. > > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on > front, > > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > > airbags, > > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > > down > > > > some from that. > > > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also > very > > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > > make > > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest > price, > > > > $15,200 > > > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the > Limited > > > > trim > > > > on a Laredo. > > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > > behind > > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > > Thanks. > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Earle.
Very good thoughts about the Selec-Trac. I only wish I could get him down a couple hundred more $'s and I think it would be a deal. D "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44c03bce$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it > doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos > to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between > the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a > true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage > concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved > bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than > Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front > hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which > concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially > expensive repair argument. > > Good luck! > > Earle > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > have > > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > nv249 > > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > you > > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > during > > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > > smooth. > > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > part-time > > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > I > > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > > information. > > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > > the > > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in > the > > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor > to > > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace > $12 > > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > > vehicle > > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when > accelerating > > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. > When > > it > > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The > real > > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > > ATC. > > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > > speeds. > > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department > in > > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, > you > > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > > also > > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > > your > > > factory radio. > > > > > > Other differences. > > > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in > highway > > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > > vehicles > > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > > clean > > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive > system. > > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on > front, > > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > > airbags, > > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > > down > > > > some from that. > > > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also > very > > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > > make > > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest > price, > > > > $15,200 > > > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the > Limited > > > > trim > > > > on a Laredo. > > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > > behind > > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > > Thanks. > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Thanks Earle.
Very good thoughts about the Selec-Trac. I only wish I could get him down a couple hundred more $'s and I think it would be a deal. D "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44c03bce$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it > doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic gizmos > to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque between > the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a > true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage > concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved > bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be than > Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front > hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which > concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially > expensive repair argument. > > Good luck! > > Earle > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > have > > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > nv249 > > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > you > > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > during > > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > > smooth. > > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > part-time > > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > I > > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > > information. > > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > > the > > > most common cause of expensive repairs. > > > > > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in > the > > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor > to > > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace > $12 > > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > > > > > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > > vehicle > > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when > accelerating > > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. > When > > it > > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The > real > > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > > > > > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > > ATC. > > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > > speeds. > > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > > > driveway in a few minutes > > > > > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department > in > > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, > you > > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > > also > > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > > your > > > factory radio. > > > > > > Other differences. > > > > > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in > highway > > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > > > > > > > > > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > > vehicles > > > > I'm comparing for purchase. > > > > > > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > > clean > > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive > system. > > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on > front, > > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > > > > airbags, > > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > > down > > > > some from that. > > > > > > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also > very > > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > > > > make > > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest > price, > > > > $15,200 > > > > > > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the > Limited > > > > trim > > > > on a Laredo. > > > > Any candid thoughts? > > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > > > > behind > > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > > > > Thanks. > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed going from full lock to lock I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will actually fit without interference or lifting. I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've never heard that it was very much. "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > have > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > nv249 > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > you > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > during > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > smooth. > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > part-time > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > I > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > information. > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > the >> most common cause of expensive repairs. >> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in >> the >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace >> $12 >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure >> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > vehicle >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > it >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The >> real >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. >> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > ATC. >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > speeds. >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your >> driveway in a few minutes >> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department >> in >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, >> you >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > also >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > your >> factory radio. >> >> Other differences. >> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in >> highway >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. >> >> >> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> > Hi All, >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > vehicles >> > I'm comparing for purchase. >> > >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > clean >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on >> > front, >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact >> > airbags, >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > down >> > some from that. >> > >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options >> > make >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, >> > $15,200 >> > >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited >> > trim >> > on a Laredo. >> > Any candid thoughts? >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good >> > behind >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. >> > Thanks. >> > D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed going from full lock to lock I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will actually fit without interference or lifting. I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've never heard that it was very much. "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > have > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > nv249 > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > you > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > during > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > smooth. > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > part-time > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > I > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > information. > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > the >> most common cause of expensive repairs. >> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in >> the >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace >> $12 >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure >> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > vehicle >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > it >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The >> real >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. >> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > ATC. >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > speeds. >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your >> driveway in a few minutes >> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department >> in >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, >> you >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > also >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > your >> factory radio. >> >> Other differences. >> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in >> highway >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. >> >> >> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> > Hi All, >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > vehicles >> > I'm comparing for purchase. >> > >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > clean >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on >> > front, >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact >> > airbags, >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > down >> > some from that. >> > >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options >> > make >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, >> > $15,200 >> > >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited >> > trim >> > on a Laredo. >> > Any candid thoughts? >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good >> > behind >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. >> > Thanks. >> > D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed going from full lock to lock I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will actually fit without interference or lifting. I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've never heard that it was very much. "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > have > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > nv249 > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > you > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > during > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > smooth. > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > part-time > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > I > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > information. > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > the >> most common cause of expensive repairs. >> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in >> the >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace >> $12 >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure >> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > vehicle >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > it >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The >> real >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. >> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > ATC. >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > speeds. >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your >> driveway in a few minutes >> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department >> in >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, >> you >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > also >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > your >> factory radio. >> >> Other differences. >> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in >> highway >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. >> >> >> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> > Hi All, >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > vehicles >> > I'm comparing for purchase. >> > >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > clean >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on >> > front, >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact >> > airbags, >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > down >> > some from that. >> > >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options >> > make >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, >> > $15,200 >> > >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited >> > trim >> > on a Laredo. >> > Any candid thoughts? >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good >> > behind >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. >> > Thanks. >> > D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed going from full lock to lock I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will actually fit without interference or lifting. I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've never heard that it was very much. "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > have > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > nv249 > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > you > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > during > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > smooth. > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > part-time > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > I > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > information. > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > the >> most common cause of expensive repairs. >> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in >> the >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace >> $12 >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure >> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > vehicle >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > it >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The >> real >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. >> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > ATC. >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > speeds. >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your >> driveway in a few minutes >> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department >> in >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, >> you >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > also >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > your >> factory radio. >> >> Other differences. >> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in >> highway >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. >> >> >> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> > Hi All, >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > vehicles >> > I'm comparing for purchase. >> > >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > clean >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on >> > front, >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact >> > airbags, >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > down >> > some from that. >> > >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options >> > make >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, >> > $15,200 >> > >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited >> > trim >> > on a Laredo. >> > Any candid thoughts? >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good >> > behind >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. >> > Thanks. >> > D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Billy Ray,
What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help. So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh. Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'. I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me. D "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET... > There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at: > http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm > > In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly > basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. > > I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night > (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed > going from full lock to lock > > I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is > compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will > actually fit without interference or lifting. > > I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've > never heard that it was very much. > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > > have > > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > > nv249 > > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > > you > > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > > during > > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > > smooth. > > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > > part-time > > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > > I > > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > > information. > > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > > the > >> most common cause of expensive repairs. > >> > >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in > >> the > >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace > >> $12 > >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > >> > >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > > vehicle > >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > > it > >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The > >> real > >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > >> > >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > > ATC. > >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > > speeds. > >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > >> driveway in a few minutes > >> > >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department > >> in > >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, > >> you > >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > > also > >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > > your > >> factory radio. > >> > >> Other differences. > >> > >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in > >> highway > >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > >> > >> > >> > >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >> > Hi All, > >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > > vehicles > >> > I'm comparing for purchase. > >> > > >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > > clean > >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on > >> > front, > >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > >> > airbags, > >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > > down > >> > some from that. > >> > > >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > >> > make > >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > >> > $15,200 > >> > > >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > >> > trim > >> > on a Laredo. > >> > Any candid thoughts? > >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > >> > behind > >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > >> > Thanks. > >> > D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Billy Ray,
What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help. So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh. Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'. I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me. D "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET... > There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at: > http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm > > In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly > basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. > > I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night > (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed > going from full lock to lock > > I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is > compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will > actually fit without interference or lifting. > > I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've > never heard that it was very much. > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > > have > > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > > nv249 > > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > > you > > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > > during > > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > > smooth. > > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > > part-time > > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > > I > > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > > information. > > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > > the > >> most common cause of expensive repairs. > >> > >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in > >> the > >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace > >> $12 > >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > >> > >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > > vehicle > >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > > it > >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The > >> real > >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > >> > >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > > ATC. > >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > > speeds. > >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > >> driveway in a few minutes > >> > >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department > >> in > >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, > >> you > >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > > also > >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > > your > >> factory radio. > >> > >> Other differences. > >> > >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in > >> highway > >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > >> > >> > >> > >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >> > Hi All, > >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > > vehicles > >> > I'm comparing for purchase. > >> > > >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > > clean > >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on > >> > front, > >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > >> > airbags, > >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > > down > >> > some from that. > >> > > >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > >> > make > >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > >> > $15,200 > >> > > >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > >> > trim > >> > on a Laredo. > >> > Any candid thoughts? > >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > >> > behind > >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > >> > Thanks. > >> > D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Billy Ray,
What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help. So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh. Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'. I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me. D "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET... > There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at: > http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm > > In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly > basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. > > I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night > (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed > going from full lock to lock > > I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is > compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will > actually fit without interference or lifting. > > I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've > never heard that it was very much. > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 > > have > > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail? > > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the > > nv249 > > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance > > you > > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside > > during > > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns > > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so > > smooth. > > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your > > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional > > part-time > > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the > > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. > > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix. > > I > > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. > > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I > > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. > > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of > > information. > > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET... > >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are > > the > >> most common cause of expensive repairs. > >> > >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known > >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in > >> the > >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to > >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace > >> $12 > >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure > >> > >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a > > vehicle > >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special > >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating > >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When > > it > >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The > >> real > >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case. > >> > >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the > > ATC. > >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan > > speeds. > >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your > >> driveway in a few minutes > >> > >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department > >> in > >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, > >> you > >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can > > also > >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in > > your > >> factory radio. > >> > >> Other differences. > >> > >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in > >> highway > >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific > >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. > >> > >> > >> > >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >> > Hi All, > >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two > > vehicles > >> > I'm comparing for purchase. > >> > > >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very > > clean > >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system. > >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on > >> > front, > >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact > >> > airbags, > >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come > > down > >> > some from that. > >> > > >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very > >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options > >> > make > >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks > >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and > >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price, > >> > $15,200 > >> > > >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. > >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited > >> > trim > >> > on a Laredo. > >> > Any candid thoughts? > >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good > >> > behind > >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. > >> > Thanks. > >> > D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > |
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