|
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Problem is that most folks think short commutes at city street speeds
are better for a vehicle than a 30 mile high speed freeway run. Fluids never get hot enough to burn off condensation. billy ray proclaimed: > If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication > Schedule you can get details on the differences. > > I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers > should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule > the manufacturers advertise. > > > I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps. > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >>Billy Ray, >>What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help. >>So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh. >>Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'. >>I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me. >>D >> >>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET... >> >>>There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at: >>>http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm >>> >>>In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a >> >>yearly >> >>>basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. >>> >>>I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at >>>night >>>(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed >>>going from full lock to lock >>> >>>I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is >>>compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will >>>actually fit without interference or lifting. >>> >>>I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but >> >>I've >> >>>never heard that it was very much. >>> >>> >>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >>>news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> >>>>Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 >>>>have >>>>been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to >> >>fail? >> >>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the >>>>nv249 >>>>xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance >>>>you >>>>mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside >>>>during >>>>a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock >>>>turns >>>>during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so >>>>smooth. >>>>Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your >>>>opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional >>>>part-time >>>>use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with >> >>the >> >>>>Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. >>>>I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy >> >>fix. >> >>>>I >>>>am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. >>>>I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. >>>>I >>>>just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. >>>>The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of >>>>information. >>>>Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? >>>> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET.. . >>>> >>>>>The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands >> >>are >> >>>>the >>>> >>>>>most common cause of expensive repairs. >>>>> >>>>>The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known >>>>>tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in >>>>>the >>>>>vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor >> >>to >> >>>>>get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace >>>>>$12 >>>>>in parts. There may well be no warning before failure >>>>> >>>>>The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a >>>> >>>>vehicle >>>> >>>>>that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special >>>>>attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when >> >>accelerating >> >>>>>and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. >> >>When >> >>>>it >>>> >>>>>fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The >>>>>real >>>>>'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer >> >>case. >> >>>>>The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the >>>> >>>>ATC. >>>> >>>>>There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan >>>> >>>>speeds. >>>> >>>>>It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your >>>>>driveway in a few minutes >>>>> >>>>>If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts >>>>>department >>>>>in >>>>>chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, >>>>>you >>>>>can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer >>>>>can >>>> >>>>also >>>> >>>>>be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in >>>> >>>>your >>>> >>>>>factory radio. >>>>> >>>>>Other differences. >>>>> >>>>>Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in >>>>>highway >>>>>and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their >> >>specific >> >>>>>size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>>>> >>>>>>Hi All, >>>>>>I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two >>>> >>>>vehicles >>>> >>>>>>I'm comparing for purchase. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very >>>> >>>>clean >>>> >>>>>>and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive >> >>system. >> >>>>>>Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on >>>>>>front, >>>>>>dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact >>>>>>airbags, >>>>>>90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come >>>> >>>>down >>>> >>>>>>some from that. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also >> >>very >> >>>>>>clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other >> >>options >> >>>>>>make >>>>>>it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow >>>>>>hooks >>>>>>though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver >> >>and >> >>>>>>passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest >> >>price, >> >>>>>>$15,200 >>>>>> >>>>>>V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. >>>>>>V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the >> >>Limited >> >>>>>>trim >>>>>>on a Laredo. >>>>>>Any candid thoughts? >>>>>>I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good >>>>>>behind >>>>>>that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. >>>>>>Thanks. >>>>>>D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Problem is that most folks think short commutes at city street speeds
are better for a vehicle than a 30 mile high speed freeway run. Fluids never get hot enough to burn off condensation. billy ray proclaimed: > If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication > Schedule you can get details on the differences. > > I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers > should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule > the manufacturers advertise. > > > I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps. > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >>Billy Ray, >>What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help. >>So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh. >>Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'. >>I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me. >>D >> >>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET... >> >>>There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at: >>>http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm >>> >>>In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a >> >>yearly >> >>>basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. >>> >>>I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at >>>night >>>(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed >>>going from full lock to lock >>> >>>I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is >>>compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will >>>actually fit without interference or lifting. >>> >>>I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but >> >>I've >> >>>never heard that it was very much. >>> >>> >>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >>>news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> >>>>Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 >>>>have >>>>been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to >> >>fail? >> >>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the >>>>nv249 >>>>xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance >>>>you >>>>mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside >>>>during >>>>a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock >>>>turns >>>>during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so >>>>smooth. >>>>Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your >>>>opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional >>>>part-time >>>>use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with >> >>the >> >>>>Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. >>>>I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy >> >>fix. >> >>>>I >>>>am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. >>>>I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. >>>>I >>>>just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. >>>>The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of >>>>information. >>>>Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? >>>> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET.. . >>>> >>>>>The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands >> >>are >> >>>>the >>>> >>>>>most common cause of expensive repairs. >>>>> >>>>>The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known >>>>>tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in >>>>>the >>>>>vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor >> >>to >> >>>>>get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace >>>>>$12 >>>>>in parts. There may well be no warning before failure >>>>> >>>>>The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a >>>> >>>>vehicle >>>> >>>>>that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special >>>>>attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when >> >>accelerating >> >>>>>and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. >> >>When >> >>>>it >>>> >>>>>fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The >>>>>real >>>>>'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer >> >>case. >> >>>>>The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the >>>> >>>>ATC. >>>> >>>>>There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan >>>> >>>>speeds. >>>> >>>>>It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your >>>>>driveway in a few minutes >>>>> >>>>>If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts >>>>>department >>>>>in >>>>>chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, >>>>>you >>>>>can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer >>>>>can >>>> >>>>also >>>> >>>>>be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in >>>> >>>>your >>>> >>>>>factory radio. >>>>> >>>>>Other differences. >>>>> >>>>>Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in >>>>>highway >>>>>and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their >> >>specific >> >>>>>size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>>>> >>>>>>Hi All, >>>>>>I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two >>>> >>>>vehicles >>>> >>>>>>I'm comparing for purchase. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very >>>> >>>>clean >>>> >>>>>>and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive >> >>system. >> >>>>>>Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on >>>>>>front, >>>>>>dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact >>>>>>airbags, >>>>>>90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come >>>> >>>>down >>>> >>>>>>some from that. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also >> >>very >> >>>>>>clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other >> >>options >> >>>>>>make >>>>>>it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow >>>>>>hooks >>>>>>though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver >> >>and >> >>>>>>passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest >> >>price, >> >>>>>>$15,200 >>>>>> >>>>>>V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. >>>>>>V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the >> >>Limited >> >>>>>>trim >>>>>>on a Laredo. >>>>>>Any candid thoughts? >>>>>>I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good >>>>>>behind >>>>>>that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. >>>>>>Thanks. >>>>>>D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
Problem is that most folks think short commutes at city street speeds
are better for a vehicle than a 30 mile high speed freeway run. Fluids never get hot enough to burn off condensation. billy ray proclaimed: > If we can get Bill to post you a link to the WJ maintenance and Lubrication > Schedule you can get details on the differences. > > I read a story some time ago that according to GM over 90 percent of drivers > should be following 'severe service' rather than the maintenance schedule > the manufacturers advertise. > > > I assume it is similar or higher for Jeeps. > > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message > news:TbYvg.6947$PN4.394@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > >>Billy Ray, >>What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help. >>So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh. >>Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'. >>I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me. >>D >> >>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET... >> >>>There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at: >>>http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm >>> >>>In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a >> >>yearly >> >>>basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids. >>> >>>I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at >>>night >>>(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed >>>going from full lock to lock >>> >>>I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is >>>compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will >>>actually fit without interference or lifting. >>> >>>I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but >> >>I've >> >>>never heard that it was very much. >>> >>> >>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >>>news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> >>>>Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6 >>>>have >>>>been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to >> >>fail? >> >>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the >>>>nv249 >>>>xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance >>>>you >>>>mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside >>>>during >>>>a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock >>>>turns >>>>during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so >>>>smooth. >>>>Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your >>>>opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional >>>>part-time >>>>use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with >> >>the >> >>>>Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too. >>>>I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy >> >>fix. >> >>>>I >>>>am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway. >>>>I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. >>>>I >>>>just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks. >>>>The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of >>>>information. >>>>Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts? >>>> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET.. . >>>> >>>>>The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands >> >>are >> >>>>the >>>> >>>>>most common cause of expensive repairs. >>>>> >>>>>The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known >>>>>tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in >>>>>the >>>>>vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor >> >>to >> >>>>>get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace >>>>>$12 >>>>>in parts. There may well be no warning before failure >>>>> >>>>>The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a >>>> >>>>vehicle >>>> >>>>>that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special >>>>>attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when >> >>accelerating >> >>>>>and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. >> >>When >> >>>>it >>>> >>>>>fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The >>>>>real >>>>>'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer >> >>case. >> >>>>>The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the >>>> >>>>ATC. >>>> >>>>>There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan >>>> >>>>speeds. >>>> >>>>>It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your >>>>>driveway in a few minutes >>>>> >>>>>If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts >>>>>department >>>>>in >>>>>chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy, >>>>>you >>>>>can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer >>>>>can >>>> >>>>also >>>> >>>>>be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in >>>> >>>>your >>>> >>>>>factory radio. >>>>> >>>>>Other differences. >>>>> >>>>>Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in >>>>>highway >>>>>and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their >> >>specific >> >>>>>size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>>>> >>>>>>Hi All, >>>>>>I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two >>>> >>>>vehicles >>>> >>>>>>I'm comparing for purchase. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very >>>> >>>>clean >>>> >>>>>>and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive >> >>system. >> >>>>>>Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on >>>>>>front, >>>>>>dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact >>>>>>airbags, >>>>>>90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come >>>> >>>>down >>>> >>>>>>some from that. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also >> >>very >> >>>>>>clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other >> >>options >> >>>>>>make >>>>>>it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow >>>>>>hooks >>>>>>though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver >> >>and >> >>>>>>passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest >> >>price, >> >>>>>>$15,200 >>>>>> >>>>>>V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car. >>>>>>V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the >> >>Limited >> >>>>>>trim >>>>>>on a Laredo. >>>>>>Any candid thoughts? >>>>>>I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good >>>>>>behind >>>>>>that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe. >>>>>>Thanks. >>>>>>D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I think the only time you would see a better deal with the
Quadra....limited slip kind of behavior is low range 1 or 2 tires in the air kind of situation where it would throw torque to the tires w/traction. BTW...this is gonna be last year of the in-line 6 4.0. You REALLY need to hear just how pretty a 4.0 sounds with merely a free-flow muffler (think early Jag or similar). I read somewhere that the inline 6 is the most innately/harmonically balanced engine design of any motor ever made...including anything V-12, straight-8, etc. I stomp my loud pedal just for the music....and to blow doors off! |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I think the only time you would see a better deal with the
Quadra....limited slip kind of behavior is low range 1 or 2 tires in the air kind of situation where it would throw torque to the tires w/traction. BTW...this is gonna be last year of the in-line 6 4.0. You REALLY need to hear just how pretty a 4.0 sounds with merely a free-flow muffler (think early Jag or similar). I read somewhere that the inline 6 is the most innately/harmonically balanced engine design of any motor ever made...including anything V-12, straight-8, etc. I stomp my loud pedal just for the music....and to blow doors off! |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I think the only time you would see a better deal with the
Quadra....limited slip kind of behavior is low range 1 or 2 tires in the air kind of situation where it would throw torque to the tires w/traction. BTW...this is gonna be last year of the in-line 6 4.0. You REALLY need to hear just how pretty a 4.0 sounds with merely a free-flow muffler (think early Jag or similar). I read somewhere that the inline 6 is the most innately/harmonically balanced engine design of any motor ever made...including anything V-12, straight-8, etc. I stomp my loud pedal just for the music....and to blow doors off! |
Re: Candid Thoughts on GC Value
I think the only time you would see a better deal with the
Quadra....limited slip kind of behavior is low range 1 or 2 tires in the air kind of situation where it would throw torque to the tires w/traction. BTW...this is gonna be last year of the in-line 6 4.0. You REALLY need to hear just how pretty a 4.0 sounds with merely a free-flow muffler (think early Jag or similar). I read somewhere that the inline 6 is the most innately/harmonically balanced engine design of any motor ever made...including anything V-12, straight-8, etc. I stomp my loud pedal just for the music....and to blow doors off! |
| All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:44 PM. |
© 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands