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Steve Foley 09-21-2006 01:10 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...

> When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in marriage)


Hasn't someone come up with a derogatory term for this yet?

I know many Provincetown residents refer to others as 'breeders'.




Steve Foley 09-21-2006 01:10 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...

> When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in marriage)


Hasn't someone come up with a derogatory term for this yet?

I know many Provincetown residents refer to others as 'breeders'.




billy ray 09-21-2006 02:01 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
One of them is <sigh> but did not turn bad until just recently. Luckily her
husband is able to see the 'right' and cancels out her vote.

Interestingly enough she only votes that way in national elections, for
local issues she always supports the 'right' side. <pun intended>

She is young and idealistic,

She is fiercely opposed to the entrenched leftists running the community
where she and her husband and my grandpuppy live.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2101632319

You might appreciate this... it was broadcast on local access cable..... the
police chief had to pull one of the councilman (who was the ward captain
where she lives) aside (while still on camera and miked) and explain to him
he was about to get arrested for threatening her with bodily harm for
questioning his recent comments on Cincinnati's television stations.

This councilman can always be counted on for particularly stupid comments on
almost any topic and is a favorite with local news reporters. Thing is....
he doesn't seem to comprehend that his actions are seen as stupid not only
to his neighbors but everyone else within a 50 mile radius..





"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4512be05$0$24261$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>I have to admire people who do this, but I wonder if they are addressing
>the
> problem in general, or just making things better for their own and their
> friends' kids. Otoh, if people in general want their kids to be ignorant,
> then who am I to deny them? But you ran the risk of having your kids turn
> out liberal. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:65a0c$4512bda5$422afc51$18635@FUSE.NET...
>> Actually they were non-sectarian schools set up by a sorority sister of

> one
>> of my sisters.
>>
>> As a professional educator she was dismayed at the direction public
>> education was taking and decided to see if she could do something about

> it.
>>
>> The girls attended a few years and when they were 'mainstreamed' into the
>> local public schools they were so far ahead of their classmates it wasn't
>> funny.
>>
>> The benefit is that they are both college educated having earned
>> excellent
>> (4.0) grades far in excess of what their mother and I ever did.
>>
>> -br
>> (I may be a redneck but I'm a redneck with a specialized degree in
>> chemistry)
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4512b503$0$24297$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>> > Billy Ray,
>> >
>> > Boy you sound like a real radical. If you sent your children to one of
>> > those private "Bible" schools you didn't do them any favors,
>> > intelligence-wise.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>> >> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the

> US
>> >> population.
>> >>
>> >> There are those who believe that others are responsible for all the

> woes
>> > in
>> >> their existence.
>> >>
>> >> Even though I live 4 hours away from California (by jet) and was last

> in
>> > LA
>> >> in 1974, I forced them, with the gun in my bedroom closet, to adopt
>> >> their
>> >> hedonistic lifestyle.
>> >>
>> >> The very thought that I can leave my door unlocked, trust my
>> >> neighbors,

>
>> > and
>> >> breathe clean air is abhorrent to them which, in turn, incited them to
>> > acts
>> >> of senseless gang violence, immoral behavior, arson, and murder.
>> >>
>> >> The simple act of watering my lawn any day or time I desire (we pump
>> >> water
>> >> from the river, process it, use it, reprocess it, and return it to the
>> > river
>> >> cleaner than it was originally) forces them to drive themselves to
>> >> distant
>> >> beaches in vehicles getting poor mileage and high pollution (probably
>> >> Jeeps), lay in the sun 12 hours a day and contract skin cancer.
>> >>
>> >> When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in
>> >> marriage)
>> >> to
>> > a
>> >> private school the first few years forced them to demand that their
>> >> school
>> >> systems NOT teach their children to read and write any more than
>> >> necessary
>> >> to fill out a welfare form (the dole).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> news:1YqQg.22330$r61.12224@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >> > Well quite. I would have thought that a defence of "Californians
>> >> > knew
>> >> > about
>> >> > their pollution levels, but wilfully drove too many miles" would
>> >> > also
>> >> > do
>> >> > it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:IPkQg.13420$Qg.13296@southeast.rr.com...
>> >> >> I bet he's running for governor.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Seems to me the auto makers have a great defense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kalifornia sets it's own emission standards, the automakers met the
>> >> >> standards set by the state.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If Kalifornia doesn't like the standard they should go sue

> themselves.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jeff DeWitt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>
>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 09-21-2006 02:01 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
One of them is <sigh> but did not turn bad until just recently. Luckily her
husband is able to see the 'right' and cancels out her vote.

Interestingly enough she only votes that way in national elections, for
local issues she always supports the 'right' side. <pun intended>

She is young and idealistic,

She is fiercely opposed to the entrenched leftists running the community
where she and her husband and my grandpuppy live.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2101632319

You might appreciate this... it was broadcast on local access cable..... the
police chief had to pull one of the councilman (who was the ward captain
where she lives) aside (while still on camera and miked) and explain to him
he was about to get arrested for threatening her with bodily harm for
questioning his recent comments on Cincinnati's television stations.

This councilman can always be counted on for particularly stupid comments on
almost any topic and is a favorite with local news reporters. Thing is....
he doesn't seem to comprehend that his actions are seen as stupid not only
to his neighbors but everyone else within a 50 mile radius..





"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4512be05$0$24261$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>I have to admire people who do this, but I wonder if they are addressing
>the
> problem in general, or just making things better for their own and their
> friends' kids. Otoh, if people in general want their kids to be ignorant,
> then who am I to deny them? But you ran the risk of having your kids turn
> out liberal. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:65a0c$4512bda5$422afc51$18635@FUSE.NET...
>> Actually they were non-sectarian schools set up by a sorority sister of

> one
>> of my sisters.
>>
>> As a professional educator she was dismayed at the direction public
>> education was taking and decided to see if she could do something about

> it.
>>
>> The girls attended a few years and when they were 'mainstreamed' into the
>> local public schools they were so far ahead of their classmates it wasn't
>> funny.
>>
>> The benefit is that they are both college educated having earned
>> excellent
>> (4.0) grades far in excess of what their mother and I ever did.
>>
>> -br
>> (I may be a redneck but I'm a redneck with a specialized degree in
>> chemistry)
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4512b503$0$24297$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>> > Billy Ray,
>> >
>> > Boy you sound like a real radical. If you sent your children to one of
>> > those private "Bible" schools you didn't do them any favors,
>> > intelligence-wise.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>> >> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the

> US
>> >> population.
>> >>
>> >> There are those who believe that others are responsible for all the

> woes
>> > in
>> >> their existence.
>> >>
>> >> Even though I live 4 hours away from California (by jet) and was last

> in
>> > LA
>> >> in 1974, I forced them, with the gun in my bedroom closet, to adopt
>> >> their
>> >> hedonistic lifestyle.
>> >>
>> >> The very thought that I can leave my door unlocked, trust my
>> >> neighbors,

>
>> > and
>> >> breathe clean air is abhorrent to them which, in turn, incited them to
>> > acts
>> >> of senseless gang violence, immoral behavior, arson, and murder.
>> >>
>> >> The simple act of watering my lawn any day or time I desire (we pump
>> >> water
>> >> from the river, process it, use it, reprocess it, and return it to the
>> > river
>> >> cleaner than it was originally) forces them to drive themselves to
>> >> distant
>> >> beaches in vehicles getting poor mileage and high pollution (probably
>> >> Jeeps), lay in the sun 12 hours a day and contract skin cancer.
>> >>
>> >> When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in
>> >> marriage)
>> >> to
>> > a
>> >> private school the first few years forced them to demand that their
>> >> school
>> >> systems NOT teach their children to read and write any more than
>> >> necessary
>> >> to fill out a welfare form (the dole).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> news:1YqQg.22330$r61.12224@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >> > Well quite. I would have thought that a defence of "Californians
>> >> > knew
>> >> > about
>> >> > their pollution levels, but wilfully drove too many miles" would
>> >> > also
>> >> > do
>> >> > it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:IPkQg.13420$Qg.13296@southeast.rr.com...
>> >> >> I bet he's running for governor.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Seems to me the auto makers have a great defense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kalifornia sets it's own emission standards, the automakers met the
>> >> >> standards set by the state.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If Kalifornia doesn't like the standard they should go sue

> themselves.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jeff DeWitt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>
>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 09-21-2006 02:01 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
One of them is <sigh> but did not turn bad until just recently. Luckily her
husband is able to see the 'right' and cancels out her vote.

Interestingly enough she only votes that way in national elections, for
local issues she always supports the 'right' side. <pun intended>

She is young and idealistic,

She is fiercely opposed to the entrenched leftists running the community
where she and her husband and my grandpuppy live.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2101632319

You might appreciate this... it was broadcast on local access cable..... the
police chief had to pull one of the councilman (who was the ward captain
where she lives) aside (while still on camera and miked) and explain to him
he was about to get arrested for threatening her with bodily harm for
questioning his recent comments on Cincinnati's television stations.

This councilman can always be counted on for particularly stupid comments on
almost any topic and is a favorite with local news reporters. Thing is....
he doesn't seem to comprehend that his actions are seen as stupid not only
to his neighbors but everyone else within a 50 mile radius..





"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4512be05$0$24261$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>I have to admire people who do this, but I wonder if they are addressing
>the
> problem in general, or just making things better for their own and their
> friends' kids. Otoh, if people in general want their kids to be ignorant,
> then who am I to deny them? But you ran the risk of having your kids turn
> out liberal. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:65a0c$4512bda5$422afc51$18635@FUSE.NET...
>> Actually they were non-sectarian schools set up by a sorority sister of

> one
>> of my sisters.
>>
>> As a professional educator she was dismayed at the direction public
>> education was taking and decided to see if she could do something about

> it.
>>
>> The girls attended a few years and when they were 'mainstreamed' into the
>> local public schools they were so far ahead of their classmates it wasn't
>> funny.
>>
>> The benefit is that they are both college educated having earned
>> excellent
>> (4.0) grades far in excess of what their mother and I ever did.
>>
>> -br
>> (I may be a redneck but I'm a redneck with a specialized degree in
>> chemistry)
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4512b503$0$24297$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>> > Billy Ray,
>> >
>> > Boy you sound like a real radical. If you sent your children to one of
>> > those private "Bible" schools you didn't do them any favors,
>> > intelligence-wise.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>> >> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the

> US
>> >> population.
>> >>
>> >> There are those who believe that others are responsible for all the

> woes
>> > in
>> >> their existence.
>> >>
>> >> Even though I live 4 hours away from California (by jet) and was last

> in
>> > LA
>> >> in 1974, I forced them, with the gun in my bedroom closet, to adopt
>> >> their
>> >> hedonistic lifestyle.
>> >>
>> >> The very thought that I can leave my door unlocked, trust my
>> >> neighbors,

>
>> > and
>> >> breathe clean air is abhorrent to them which, in turn, incited them to
>> > acts
>> >> of senseless gang violence, immoral behavior, arson, and murder.
>> >>
>> >> The simple act of watering my lawn any day or time I desire (we pump
>> >> water
>> >> from the river, process it, use it, reprocess it, and return it to the
>> > river
>> >> cleaner than it was originally) forces them to drive themselves to
>> >> distant
>> >> beaches in vehicles getting poor mileage and high pollution (probably
>> >> Jeeps), lay in the sun 12 hours a day and contract skin cancer.
>> >>
>> >> When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in
>> >> marriage)
>> >> to
>> > a
>> >> private school the first few years forced them to demand that their
>> >> school
>> >> systems NOT teach their children to read and write any more than
>> >> necessary
>> >> to fill out a welfare form (the dole).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> news:1YqQg.22330$r61.12224@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >> > Well quite. I would have thought that a defence of "Californians
>> >> > knew
>> >> > about
>> >> > their pollution levels, but wilfully drove too many miles" would
>> >> > also
>> >> > do
>> >> > it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:IPkQg.13420$Qg.13296@southeast.rr.com...
>> >> >> I bet he's running for governor.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Seems to me the auto makers have a great defense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kalifornia sets it's own emission standards, the automakers met the
>> >> >> standards set by the state.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If Kalifornia doesn't like the standard they should go sue

> themselves.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jeff DeWitt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>
>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 09-21-2006 02:05 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Being a breeder just implies that you have, have the inclination, or are
simply capable of producing offspring in your particular lifestyle.

In addition to that I was actually married (and had been for a couple years)
to the mother of my children before we started reproducing.

Call me 'ol fashioned....



"Steve Foley" <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote in message
news:CIzQg.6738$_k1.2604@trndny01...
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>
>> When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in marriage)

>
> Hasn't someone come up with a derogatory term for this yet?
>
> I know many Provincetown residents refer to others as 'breeders'.
>
>
>




billy ray 09-21-2006 02:05 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Being a breeder just implies that you have, have the inclination, or are
simply capable of producing offspring in your particular lifestyle.

In addition to that I was actually married (and had been for a couple years)
to the mother of my children before we started reproducing.

Call me 'ol fashioned....



"Steve Foley" <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote in message
news:CIzQg.6738$_k1.2604@trndny01...
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>
>> When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in marriage)

>
> Hasn't someone come up with a derogatory term for this yet?
>
> I know many Provincetown residents refer to others as 'breeders'.
>
>
>




billy ray 09-21-2006 02:05 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Being a breeder just implies that you have, have the inclination, or are
simply capable of producing offspring in your particular lifestyle.

In addition to that I was actually married (and had been for a couple years)
to the mother of my children before we started reproducing.

Call me 'ol fashioned....



"Steve Foley" <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote in message
news:CIzQg.6738$_k1.2604@trndny01...
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>
>> When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in marriage)

>
> Hasn't someone come up with a derogatory term for this yet?
>
> I know many Provincetown residents refer to others as 'breeders'.
>
>
>




Dave Milne 09-21-2006 03:25 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !

The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2 veterans
who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk along
a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their walking
sticks ? Downright disgusting.

Dave

> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
> US population.




Dave Milne 09-21-2006 03:25 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !

The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2 veterans
who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk along
a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their walking
sticks ? Downright disgusting.

Dave

> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
> US population.




Dave Milne 09-21-2006 03:25 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !

The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2 veterans
who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk along
a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their walking
sticks ? Downright disgusting.

Dave

> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
> US population.




Earle Horton 09-21-2006 07:49 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Dave,

It's called "Anglo-Saxon" common law, isn't it?

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:GGBQg.22604$r61.16465@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>
> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2

veterans
> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk

along
> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their

walking
> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>
> Dave
>
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
> > Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
> > US population.

>
>




Earle Horton 09-21-2006 07:49 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Dave,

It's called "Anglo-Saxon" common law, isn't it?

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:GGBQg.22604$r61.16465@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>
> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2

veterans
> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk

along
> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their

walking
> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>
> Dave
>
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
> > Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
> > US population.

>
>




Earle Horton 09-21-2006 07:49 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Dave,

It's called "Anglo-Saxon" common law, isn't it?

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:GGBQg.22604$r61.16465@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>
> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2

veterans
> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk

along
> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their

walking
> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>
> Dave
>
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
> > Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
> > US population.

>
>




Matt Macchiarolo 09-21-2006 07:57 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
how much money they can made.

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:GGBQg.22604$r61.16465@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>
> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
> veterans
> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
> along
> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
> walking
> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>
> Dave
>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>> US population.

>
>




Matt Macchiarolo 09-21-2006 07:57 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
how much money they can made.

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:GGBQg.22604$r61.16465@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>
> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
> veterans
> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
> along
> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
> walking
> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>
> Dave
>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>> US population.

>
>




Matt Macchiarolo 09-21-2006 07:57 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
how much money they can made.

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:GGBQg.22604$r61.16465@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>
> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
> veterans
> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
> along
> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
> walking
> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>
> Dave
>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>> US population.

>
>




Matt Macchiarolo 09-21-2006 07:59 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
make

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:ev-dnVcoje8gu47YnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
> how much money they can made.
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:GGBQg.22604$r61.16465@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>>I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>>
>> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
>> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
>> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
>> veterans
>> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
>> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
>> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
>> along
>> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
>> walking
>> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>> US population.

>>
>>

>
>




Matt Macchiarolo 09-21-2006 07:59 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
make

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:ev-dnVcoje8gu47YnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
> how much money they can made.
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:GGBQg.22604$r61.16465@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>>I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>>
>> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
>> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
>> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
>> veterans
>> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
>> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
>> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
>> along
>> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
>> walking
>> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>> US population.

>>
>>

>
>




Matt Macchiarolo 09-21-2006 07:59 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
make

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:ev-dnVcoje8gu47YnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
> how much money they can made.
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:GGBQg.22604$r61.16465@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>>I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>>
>> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
>> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
>> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
>> veterans
>> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
>> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
>> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
>> along
>> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
>> walking
>> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>> US population.

>>
>>

>
>




L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 09-21-2006 08:05 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda andNissan for emissions
 
The courts just threw out a jury awarded 120 million slander suit
against the city for our last major of San Diego.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
> how much money they can made.


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 09-21-2006 08:05 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda andNissan for emissions
 
The courts just threw out a jury awarded 120 million slander suit
against the city for our last major of San Diego.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
> how much money they can made.


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 09-21-2006 08:05 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda andNissan for emissions
 
The courts just threw out a jury awarded 120 million slander suit
against the city for our last major of San Diego.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
> how much money they can made.


Jeffrey DeWitt 09-21-2006 08:58 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 
Dave, it's easy enough to understand.

It's got nothing to do with pollution or the automakers doing anything
wrong (they didn't), it has EVERYTHING to do with a politician abusing
his powers and trying to get headlines so he can win another election.

In this case I think the legal term is "prosecutorial misconduct".

Jeff DeWitt

Dave Milne wrote:
> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>
> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2 veterans
> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk along
> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their walking
> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>
> Dave
>
>
>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>US population.

>
>
>


Jeffrey DeWitt 09-21-2006 08:58 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 
Dave, it's easy enough to understand.

It's got nothing to do with pollution or the automakers doing anything
wrong (they didn't), it has EVERYTHING to do with a politician abusing
his powers and trying to get headlines so he can win another election.

In this case I think the legal term is "prosecutorial misconduct".

Jeff DeWitt

Dave Milne wrote:
> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>
> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2 veterans
> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk along
> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their walking
> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>
> Dave
>
>
>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>US population.

>
>
>


Jeffrey DeWitt 09-21-2006 08:58 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 
Dave, it's easy enough to understand.

It's got nothing to do with pollution or the automakers doing anything
wrong (they didn't), it has EVERYTHING to do with a politician abusing
his powers and trying to get headlines so he can win another election.

In this case I think the legal term is "prosecutorial misconduct".

Jeff DeWitt

Dave Milne wrote:
> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>
> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2 veterans
> who risked getting their arses shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk along
> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their walking
> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>
> Dave
>
>
>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>US population.

>
>
>


mabar 09-22-2006 10:04 PM

OT: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Here is a fine, upstanding breeder:

http://www.cleveland.com/search/inde...uyahoga&coll=2

She has 9 children, by 6 different men, none of whom were her husband. She
cuts off her child's ear.

Tom


"Steve Foley" <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote in message
news:CIzQg.6738$_k1.2604@trndny01...
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>
> > When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in marriage)

>
> Hasn't someone come up with a derogatory term for this yet?
>
> I know many Provincetown residents refer to others as 'breeders'.
>
>
>




mabar 09-22-2006 10:04 PM

OT: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Here is a fine, upstanding breeder:

http://www.cleveland.com/search/inde...uyahoga&coll=2

She has 9 children, by 6 different men, none of whom were her husband. She
cuts off her child's ear.

Tom


"Steve Foley" <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote in message
news:CIzQg.6738$_k1.2604@trndny01...
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>
> > When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in marriage)

>
> Hasn't someone come up with a derogatory term for this yet?
>
> I know many Provincetown residents refer to others as 'breeders'.
>
>
>




mabar 09-22-2006 10:04 PM

OT: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
 
Here is a fine, upstanding breeder:

http://www.cleveland.com/search/inde...uyahoga&coll=2

She has 9 children, by 6 different men, none of whom were her husband. She
cuts off her child's ear.

Tom


"Steve Foley" <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote in message
news:CIzQg.6738$_k1.2604@trndny01...
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>
> > When I took a second job so I could send my children (born in marriage)

>
> Hasn't someone come up with a derogatory term for this yet?
>
> I know many Provincetown residents refer to others as 'breeders'.
>
>
>




Mike chambers 09-23-2006 02:51 AM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda...
 
Yup let them build there own. Pull all the stealerships out of the state
and watch them change there mind. There all just a bunch of tree huggin
hippies.

Later Mike


Mike chambers 09-23-2006 02:51 AM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda...
 
Yup let them build there own. Pull all the stealerships out of the state
and watch them change there mind. There all just a bunch of tree huggin
hippies.

Later Mike


Mike chambers 09-23-2006 02:51 AM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda...
 
Yup let them build there own. Pull all the stealerships out of the state
and watch them change there mind. There all just a bunch of tree huggin
hippies.

Later Mike


Lon 09-23-2006 01:16 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 

Dave, if the cows in Kalifornia had liquid assets, the state would sue
them for the methane in cow farts.


Dave Milne proclaimed:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>
> Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at the
> American legal system !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>


Lon 09-23-2006 01:16 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 

Dave, if the cows in Kalifornia had liquid assets, the state would sue
them for the methane in cow farts.


Dave Milne proclaimed:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>
> Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at the
> American legal system !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>


Lon 09-23-2006 01:16 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 

Dave, if the cows in Kalifornia had liquid assets, the state would sue
them for the methane in cow farts.


Dave Milne proclaimed:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>
> Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at the
> American legal system !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>


Lon 09-23-2006 01:17 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 
Frank_v7.0 proclaimed:

> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>> Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel
>> at the
>> American legal system !
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>>

> This won't happen, but all the companies sued should just discontinue
> doing business in Kalifornia. Let them build their own smog free vehicles.
>


That's nothing, wait until you see what the greenies are trying to do to
drive the price of gasoline into triple digits per gallon in Kalifornia.

Lon 09-23-2006 01:17 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 
Frank_v7.0 proclaimed:

> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>> Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel
>> at the
>> American legal system !
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>>

> This won't happen, but all the companies sued should just discontinue
> doing business in Kalifornia. Let them build their own smog free vehicles.
>


That's nothing, wait until you see what the greenies are trying to do to
drive the price of gasoline into triple digits per gallon in Kalifornia.

Lon 09-23-2006 01:17 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 
Frank_v7.0 proclaimed:

> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>> Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel
>> at the
>> American legal system !
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>>

> This won't happen, but all the companies sued should just discontinue
> doing business in Kalifornia. Let them build their own smog free vehicles.
>


That's nothing, wait until you see what the greenies are trying to do to
drive the price of gasoline into triple digits per gallon in Kalifornia.

Lon 09-23-2006 01:20 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 
I don't think Bill Lockyear needs to be up for election to make an ass
out of himself. Think he already did the sue gun makers thing. We are
also gonna raise the cigarette tax again so smokers will be forced to
move to cheaper locally manufactured drugs such as meth and crack. And
pretty sure we'll be de-balling all pit bulls in the state and possibly
even Bill H.


Matt Macchiarolo proclaimed:

> Is the Attorny General of Kalifornia up for re-election this year?
>
> Next thing you know they'll sue gun manufacturers because their murder rate
> is so high...
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:c6jQg.1759$iA5.1016@dukeread11...
>
>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>>
>>>Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel
>>>at the American legal system !

>>
>>If by marvel you mean laugh them selves silly, then yes, I agree.
>>
>>
>>--
>>DougW
>>

>
>
>


Lon 09-23-2006 01:20 PM

Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
 
I don't think Bill Lockyear needs to be up for election to make an ass
out of himself. Think he already did the sue gun makers thing. We are
also gonna raise the cigarette tax again so smokers will be forced to
move to cheaper locally manufactured drugs such as meth and crack. And
pretty sure we'll be de-balling all pit bulls in the state and possibly
even Bill H.


Matt Macchiarolo proclaimed:

> Is the Attorny General of Kalifornia up for re-election this year?
>
> Next thing you know they'll sue gun manufacturers because their murder rate
> is so high...
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:c6jQg.1759$iA5.1016@dukeread11...
>
>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>>
>>>Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel
>>>at the American legal system !

>>
>>If by marvel you mean laugh them selves silly, then yes, I agree.
>>
>>
>>--
>>DougW
>>

>
>
>



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