Grumman-581

"noneyabusiness" wrote in message
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> (When was the last time anyone got stopped for misaligned headlights?)

Mine are aligned perfectly... One lets me see what is in the ditch on the
right side of the vehicle, the other lets me see what is in the trees on the
other side...

Grumman-581

"noneyabusiness" wrote in message
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> (When was the last time anyone got stopped for misaligned headlights?)

Mine are aligned perfectly... One lets me see what is in the ditch on the
right side of the vehicle, the other lets me see what is in the trees on the
other side...

Richard J Kinch

Mike Romain writes:

> If you get pulled over by the highway patrol, you will/should get
> busted for something as dumb as that. Not meaning to be a jerk or
> anything but Wow...

Jerk or not, your legal opinion is baloney.

http://www.google.com/search?q=florida+statutes+316.530

Show me where hitch ratings have any legal significance in traffic laws.

> The bumper isn't rated for towing or even jacking up under so
> technically that is an illegal hitch, let alone an unsafe one.

The stock bumper is essentially a 3 x 4.5 inch 3.5-sided 13 gage steel
box beam 50 inches long. Maybe someone can calculate the strength of
this member.

We're talking about towing a small rig under 1000 lbs, not dragging the
universe behind.

My mechanical intuition is that it is plenty strong when properly
fitted. It doesn't visibly flex when I jump on the step.

Richard J Kinch

Mike Romain writes:

> If you get pulled over by the highway patrol, you will/should get
> busted for something as dumb as that. Not meaning to be a jerk or
> anything but Wow...

Jerk or not, your legal opinion is baloney.

http://www.google.com/search?q=florida+statutes+316.530

Show me where hitch ratings have any legal significance in traffic laws.

> The bumper isn't rated for towing or even jacking up under so
> technically that is an illegal hitch, let alone an unsafe one.

The stock bumper is essentially a 3 x 4.5 inch 3.5-sided 13 gage steel
box beam 50 inches long. Maybe someone can calculate the strength of
this member.

We're talking about towing a small rig under 1000 lbs, not dragging the
universe behind.

My mechanical intuition is that it is plenty strong when properly
fitted. It doesn't visibly flex when I jump on the step.

Richard J Kinch

Mike Romain writes:

> If you get pulled over by the highway patrol, you will/should get
> busted for something as dumb as that. Not meaning to be a jerk or
> anything but Wow...

Jerk or not, your legal opinion is baloney.

http://www.google.com/search?q=florida+statutes+316.530

Show me where hitch ratings have any legal significance in traffic laws.

> The bumper isn't rated for towing or even jacking up under so
> technically that is an illegal hitch, let alone an unsafe one.

The stock bumper is essentially a 3 x 4.5 inch 3.5-sided 13 gage steel
box beam 50 inches long. Maybe someone can calculate the strength of
this member.

We're talking about towing a small rig under 1000 lbs, not dragging the
universe behind.

My mechanical intuition is that it is plenty strong when properly
fitted. It doesn't visibly flex when I jump on the step.

Richard J Kinch

Grumman-581 writes:

> Perhaps his next project should be to design a real bumper for his TJ ...

Bad idea. Bumpers are weaker than the frame so they absorb impact energy
instead of bending the frame. You put a heavy bumper (or a frame hitch for
that matter) on the back of your car, and many collisions are going to
result in frame damage that would have just been a simple bolt-on swap of a
new bumper.

On a previous rear-ended TJ I was able to replace a crunched back bumper
with a $25 OEM item from eBay (surplus to somebody's aftermarket upgrade)
with hand tools. The other guy had $1000s in damage.

I wonder if people buying all those macho aftermarket bumpers understand
that they've *given up* a lot of their crash protection?

Richard J Kinch

Grumman-581 writes:

> Perhaps his next project should be to design a real bumper for his TJ ...

Bad idea. Bumpers are weaker than the frame so they absorb impact energy
instead of bending the frame. You put a heavy bumper (or a frame hitch for
that matter) on the back of your car, and many collisions are going to
result in frame damage that would have just been a simple bolt-on swap of a
new bumper.

On a previous rear-ended TJ I was able to replace a crunched back bumper
with a $25 OEM item from eBay (surplus to somebody's aftermarket upgrade)
with hand tools. The other guy had $1000s in damage.

I wonder if people buying all those macho aftermarket bumpers understand
that they've *given up* a lot of their crash protection?

Richard J Kinch

Grumman-581 writes:

> Perhaps his next project should be to design a real bumper for his TJ ...

Bad idea. Bumpers are weaker than the frame so they absorb impact energy
instead of bending the frame. You put a heavy bumper (or a frame hitch for
that matter) on the back of your car, and many collisions are going to
result in frame damage that would have just been a simple bolt-on swap of a
new bumper.

On a previous rear-ended TJ I was able to replace a crunched back bumper
with a $25 OEM item from eBay (surplus to somebody's aftermarket upgrade)
with hand tools. The other guy had $1000s in damage.

I wonder if people buying all those macho aftermarket bumpers understand
that they've *given up* a lot of their crash protection?

Richard J Kinch

twaldron writes:

> On that note, the added 'tail' to the vehicle reduces departure angle.

The frame-mounted receiver hitches are much worse in that regard.

Richard J Kinch

twaldron writes:

> On that note, the added 'tail' to the vehicle reduces departure angle.

The frame-mounted receiver hitches are much worse in that regard.