Dave Milne

I have the mopar towbar - it attaches to the frame at 6 points using 1/4"
plate. Pretty substantial.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"cantrelm" <cantrelm@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:C5QBf.947$dF5.638@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> I don't think I would trust the stock bumper on a TJ to pull anything.
> When I ordered my 2000 TJ with towing package it had a separate tube and
> receiver mounted off of the frame rails and not to the bumper itself
> as they told me it would not hold up to towing....... it is very thin
> channel that is mounted to the cross member mainly and not the frame. I
> would be very leery about doing this. Nice design though...
>
> Tom
>
> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns975613FB99DCAsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
> > Here is my design for a bumper-mounted Jeep Wrangler TJ trailer hitch:
> >
> > http://www.truetex.com/jeep_trailer_hitch_bracket.htm
>
>

Mike Romain

If you get pulled over by the highway patrol, you will/should get busted
for something as dumb as that. Not meaning to be a jerk or anything but
Wow...

The bumper isn't rated for towing or even jacking up under so
technically that is an illegal hitch, let alone an unsafe one.

The TJ bumper isn't even strong enough to tow a TJ out of a snowbank
without bending or tearing off, let alone pulling almost the 'legal'
limit that the TJ can handle which is 2000 lb. Your 1000 lb boat, plus
trailer, plus gear inside is easily the limit.

Sorry man, it just isn't a good idea.

Just FYI, even the expensive 2" receiver bumpers with the 2" hitch built
in have a warning on them that says they are 'not' legal for towing,
only legal for putting a bike rack or some other type of rack into.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Richard J Kinch wrote:
>
> Here is my design for a bumper-mounted Jeep Wrangler TJ trailer hitch:
>
> http://www.truetex.com/jeep_trailer_hitch_bracket.htm

Mike Romain

If you get pulled over by the highway patrol, you will/should get busted
for something as dumb as that. Not meaning to be a jerk or anything but
Wow...

The bumper isn't rated for towing or even jacking up under so
technically that is an illegal hitch, let alone an unsafe one.

The TJ bumper isn't even strong enough to tow a TJ out of a snowbank
without bending or tearing off, let alone pulling almost the 'legal'
limit that the TJ can handle which is 2000 lb. Your 1000 lb boat, plus
trailer, plus gear inside is easily the limit.

Sorry man, it just isn't a good idea.

Just FYI, even the expensive 2" receiver bumpers with the 2" hitch built
in have a warning on them that says they are 'not' legal for towing,
only legal for putting a bike rack or some other type of rack into.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Richard J Kinch wrote:
>
> Here is my design for a bumper-mounted Jeep Wrangler TJ trailer hitch:
>
> http://www.truetex.com/jeep_trailer_hitch_bracket.htm

Mike Romain

If you get pulled over by the highway patrol, you will/should get busted
for something as dumb as that. Not meaning to be a jerk or anything but
Wow...

The bumper isn't rated for towing or even jacking up under so
technically that is an illegal hitch, let alone an unsafe one.

The TJ bumper isn't even strong enough to tow a TJ out of a snowbank
without bending or tearing off, let alone pulling almost the 'legal'
limit that the TJ can handle which is 2000 lb. Your 1000 lb boat, plus
trailer, plus gear inside is easily the limit.

Sorry man, it just isn't a good idea.

Just FYI, even the expensive 2" receiver bumpers with the 2" hitch built
in have a warning on them that says they are 'not' legal for towing,
only legal for putting a bike rack or some other type of rack into.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Richard J Kinch wrote:
>
> Here is my design for a bumper-mounted Jeep Wrangler TJ trailer hitch:
>
> http://www.truetex.com/jeep_trailer_hitch_bracket.htm

Grumman-581

"cantrelm" <cantrelm@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:C5QBf.947$dF5.638@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> I don't think I would trust the stock bumper on a TJ to pull anything.

Yeah, it does seem a bit flimsy, like the original bumpers on my XJ...
Perhaps his next project should be to design a real bumper for his TJ that
utilizes the original bumper's mounting points in addition to the mounting
points for the factory receiver hitch... Make the entire bumper out of 1/4"
steel so that you can jack the car up with it... Might as well consider
closing off parts of it for an emergency air tank also...

Grumman-581

"cantrelm" <cantrelm@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:C5QBf.947$dF5.638@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> I don't think I would trust the stock bumper on a TJ to pull anything.

Yeah, it does seem a bit flimsy, like the original bumpers on my XJ...
Perhaps his next project should be to design a real bumper for his TJ that
utilizes the original bumper's mounting points in addition to the mounting
points for the factory receiver hitch... Make the entire bumper out of 1/4"
steel so that you can jack the car up with it... Might as well consider
closing off parts of it for an emergency air tank also...

Grumman-581

"cantrelm" <cantrelm@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:C5QBf.947$dF5.638@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> I don't think I would trust the stock bumper on a TJ to pull anything.

Yeah, it does seem a bit flimsy, like the original bumpers on my XJ...
Perhaps his next project should be to design a real bumper for his TJ that
utilizes the original bumper's mounting points in addition to the mounting
points for the factory receiver hitch... Make the entire bumper out of 1/4"
steel so that you can jack the car up with it... Might as well consider
closing off parts of it for an emergency air tank also...

Earle Horton

Mike, you're in Canada. I once passed an accident scene, where failure to
use safety chains, led to a boat trailer coming loose from the tow vehicle,
jumping through an oncoming vehicle's windshield and killing the driver.
The driver of the tow vehicle got a faulty equipment citation, but was
allowed to hook up again and drive home! On the way back from wherever I
had been going, I saw him hooking up the trailer, with help from the state
patrol. Now the law in Colorado says, that safety chains are required, and
legally a manslaughter prosecution would not have been out of line here. It
didn't happen. Maybe the guy paid a fine, but I doubt it.

That is one of the things, that helped me decide to move to western
Colorado. The law is the same there, but the number density of jerks like
that is less, and you have more chances to avoid them.

I have one of those bumpers you are talking about. I use it for a bike
rack.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43D7DFC9.83206089@sympatico.ca...
> If you get pulled over by the highway patrol, you will/should get busted
> for something as dumb as that. Not meaning to be a jerk or anything but
> Wow...
>
> The bumper isn't rated for towing or even jacking up under so
> technically that is an illegal hitch, let alone an unsafe one.
>
> The TJ bumper isn't even strong enough to tow a TJ out of a snowbank
> without bending or tearing off, let alone pulling almost the 'legal'
> limit that the TJ can handle which is 2000 lb. Your 1000 lb boat, plus
> trailer, plus gear inside is easily the limit.
>
> Sorry man, it just isn't a good idea.
>
> Just FYI, even the expensive 2" receiver bumpers with the 2" hitch built
> in have a warning on them that says they are 'not' legal for towing,
> only legal for putting a bike rack or some other type of rack into.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Richard J Kinch wrote:
> >
> > Here is my design for a bumper-mounted Jeep Wrangler TJ trailer hitch:
> >
> > http://www.truetex.com/jeep_trailer_hitch_bracket.htm

Earle Horton

Mike, you're in Canada. I once passed an accident scene, where failure to
use safety chains, led to a boat trailer coming loose from the tow vehicle,
jumping through an oncoming vehicle's windshield and killing the driver.
The driver of the tow vehicle got a faulty equipment citation, but was
allowed to hook up again and drive home! On the way back from wherever I
had been going, I saw him hooking up the trailer, with help from the state
patrol. Now the law in Colorado says, that safety chains are required, and
legally a manslaughter prosecution would not have been out of line here. It
didn't happen. Maybe the guy paid a fine, but I doubt it.

That is one of the things, that helped me decide to move to western
Colorado. The law is the same there, but the number density of jerks like
that is less, and you have more chances to avoid them.

I have one of those bumpers you are talking about. I use it for a bike
rack.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43D7DFC9.83206089@sympatico.ca...
> If you get pulled over by the highway patrol, you will/should get busted
> for something as dumb as that. Not meaning to be a jerk or anything but
> Wow...
>
> The bumper isn't rated for towing or even jacking up under so
> technically that is an illegal hitch, let alone an unsafe one.
>
> The TJ bumper isn't even strong enough to tow a TJ out of a snowbank
> without bending or tearing off, let alone pulling almost the 'legal'
> limit that the TJ can handle which is 2000 lb. Your 1000 lb boat, plus
> trailer, plus gear inside is easily the limit.
>
> Sorry man, it just isn't a good idea.
>
> Just FYI, even the expensive 2" receiver bumpers with the 2" hitch built
> in have a warning on them that says they are 'not' legal for towing,
> only legal for putting a bike rack or some other type of rack into.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Richard J Kinch wrote:
> >
> > Here is my design for a bumper-mounted Jeep Wrangler TJ trailer hitch:
> >
> > http://www.truetex.com/jeep_trailer_hitch_bracket.htm

Earle Horton

Mike, you're in Canada. I once passed an accident scene, where failure to
use safety chains, led to a boat trailer coming loose from the tow vehicle,
jumping through an oncoming vehicle's windshield and killing the driver.
The driver of the tow vehicle got a faulty equipment citation, but was
allowed to hook up again and drive home! On the way back from wherever I
had been going, I saw him hooking up the trailer, with help from the state
patrol. Now the law in Colorado says, that safety chains are required, and
legally a manslaughter prosecution would not have been out of line here. It
didn't happen. Maybe the guy paid a fine, but I doubt it.

That is one of the things, that helped me decide to move to western
Colorado. The law is the same there, but the number density of jerks like
that is less, and you have more chances to avoid them.

I have one of those bumpers you are talking about. I use it for a bike
rack.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43D7DFC9.83206089@sympatico.ca...
> If you get pulled over by the highway patrol, you will/should get busted
> for something as dumb as that. Not meaning to be a jerk or anything but
> Wow...
>
> The bumper isn't rated for towing or even jacking up under so
> technically that is an illegal hitch, let alone an unsafe one.
>
> The TJ bumper isn't even strong enough to tow a TJ out of a snowbank
> without bending or tearing off, let alone pulling almost the 'legal'
> limit that the TJ can handle which is 2000 lb. Your 1000 lb boat, plus
> trailer, plus gear inside is easily the limit.
>
> Sorry man, it just isn't a good idea.
>
> Just FYI, even the expensive 2" receiver bumpers with the 2" hitch built
> in have a warning on them that says they are 'not' legal for towing,
> only legal for putting a bike rack or some other type of rack into.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Richard J Kinch wrote:
> >
> > Here is my design for a bumper-mounted Jeep Wrangler TJ trailer hitch:
> >
> > http://www.truetex.com/jeep_trailer_hitch_bracket.htm