Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
#51
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
isn't the hummer independent front.?
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Bonehenge proclaimed:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>> <mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>
>>
>> The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>> actual off-roading beyond dirt roads. It is, however, quite popular
>> with the soccer mom who is too politically correct for a Suburban, in
>> my area.
>
> Feh. You can drive a Volvo on dirt roads, troll.
>
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Bonehenge proclaimed:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>> <mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>
>>
>> The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>> actual off-roading beyond dirt roads. It is, however, quite popular
>> with the soccer mom who is too politically correct for a Suburban, in
>> my area.
>
> Feh. You can drive a Volvo on dirt roads, troll.
>
#52
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
isn't the hummer independent front.?
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Bonehenge proclaimed:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>> <mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>
>>
>> The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>> actual off-roading beyond dirt roads. It is, however, quite popular
>> with the soccer mom who is too politically correct for a Suburban, in
>> my area.
>
> Feh. You can drive a Volvo on dirt roads, troll.
>
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Bonehenge proclaimed:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>> <mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>
>>
>> The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>> actual off-roading beyond dirt roads. It is, however, quite popular
>> with the soccer mom who is too politically correct for a Suburban, in
>> my area.
>
> Feh. You can drive a Volvo on dirt roads, troll.
>
#53
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
On 13 Feb 2005 11:01:16 -0800, jabario@backpacker.com wrote:
>The Baja definitely flopped. Subaru only sold it at first with leather
>at a 26000+ cost. They tried to appeal to young active people but
>proced it too high.
And they made it butt-ugly.
I think my Outback is ugly, but bought it for the utility. The Baja
proved that teh Outback could be uglier still.
>The Baja definitely flopped. Subaru only sold it at first with leather
>at a 26000+ cost. They tried to appeal to young active people but
>proced it too high.
And they made it butt-ugly.
I think my Outback is ugly, but bought it for the utility. The Baja
proved that teh Outback could be uglier still.
#54
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
On 13 Feb 2005 11:01:16 -0800, jabario@backpacker.com wrote:
>The Baja definitely flopped. Subaru only sold it at first with leather
>at a 26000+ cost. They tried to appeal to young active people but
>proced it too high.
And they made it butt-ugly.
I think my Outback is ugly, but bought it for the utility. The Baja
proved that teh Outback could be uglier still.
>The Baja definitely flopped. Subaru only sold it at first with leather
>at a 26000+ cost. They tried to appeal to young active people but
>proced it too high.
And they made it butt-ugly.
I think my Outback is ugly, but bought it for the utility. The Baja
proved that teh Outback could be uglier still.
#55
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
On 13 Feb 2005 11:01:16 -0800, jabario@backpacker.com wrote:
>The Baja definitely flopped. Subaru only sold it at first with leather
>at a 26000+ cost. They tried to appeal to young active people but
>proced it too high.
And they made it butt-ugly.
I think my Outback is ugly, but bought it for the utility. The Baja
proved that teh Outback could be uglier still.
>The Baja definitely flopped. Subaru only sold it at first with leather
>at a 26000+ cost. They tried to appeal to young active people but
>proced it too high.
And they made it butt-ugly.
I think my Outback is ugly, but bought it for the utility. The Baja
proved that teh Outback could be uglier still.
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:19:46 GMT, Bret Chase <nunya@business.net>
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:40 GMT, Bonehenge
><Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>:|On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>>:|<mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>:|
>>:|>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>:|
>>:|The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>>:|actual off-roading beyond dirt roads.
>
>funny how Peterson's 4 wheel and offroad ran a pair of libertys down
>the Rubicon tail w/o breaking anything.. I'd call that a bit more
>extreme than a "dirt road"
So would I.
However, My '99 TJ Sport breaks things all the time, on dirt roads.
<G> This is my third Wrangler, following an '89 and a '92. I
continue to buy them because there's nothing like no top & doors on a
beautiful day.
I bought it new, and have had the following break:
Rear gate latch - 8k
Water pump - 20k
Radiator - 23k
Gate latch #2 - 24k
Stock plug wires literally crumbling in my hands - $36k (3 years)
All (3) climate control ***** - 24-28k
Top bow brass inserts stripped inside plastic tips - 2nd top swap
Rear brake cylinders leaking brake fluid - 32k (the '89 did this as
well)
Door retention strap ripped out of door panel - 33k
Gate latch #3 - 34k
Rear main leaking - 44k
Not to mention the occasional, intermittent loss of power to the
instrument cluster. I do not have a large tire on the back, only the
stock 30", the gate latches are killing me. I'm now out of warranty
and maintaining a repair fund, just in case.
Now, lets talk about just about every '99-'01 Grand Cherokee I know
about, starting with the brakes.
I'm not shocked when a magazine dosen't break anything on the Rubicon
Trail, but I also don't believe everything I read. I do have a
feeling that the Liberty's they got weren't "blind" purchases, the
dealer and Jeep knew where the individual vehicles were going.
Barry
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:40 GMT, Bonehenge
><Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>:|On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>>:|<mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>:|
>>:|>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>:|
>>:|The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>>:|actual off-roading beyond dirt roads.
>
>funny how Peterson's 4 wheel and offroad ran a pair of libertys down
>the Rubicon tail w/o breaking anything.. I'd call that a bit more
>extreme than a "dirt road"
So would I.
However, My '99 TJ Sport breaks things all the time, on dirt roads.
<G> This is my third Wrangler, following an '89 and a '92. I
continue to buy them because there's nothing like no top & doors on a
beautiful day.
I bought it new, and have had the following break:
Rear gate latch - 8k
Water pump - 20k
Radiator - 23k
Gate latch #2 - 24k
Stock plug wires literally crumbling in my hands - $36k (3 years)
All (3) climate control ***** - 24-28k
Top bow brass inserts stripped inside plastic tips - 2nd top swap
Rear brake cylinders leaking brake fluid - 32k (the '89 did this as
well)
Door retention strap ripped out of door panel - 33k
Gate latch #3 - 34k
Rear main leaking - 44k
Not to mention the occasional, intermittent loss of power to the
instrument cluster. I do not have a large tire on the back, only the
stock 30", the gate latches are killing me. I'm now out of warranty
and maintaining a repair fund, just in case.
Now, lets talk about just about every '99-'01 Grand Cherokee I know
about, starting with the brakes.
I'm not shocked when a magazine dosen't break anything on the Rubicon
Trail, but I also don't believe everything I read. I do have a
feeling that the Liberty's they got weren't "blind" purchases, the
dealer and Jeep knew where the individual vehicles were going.
Barry
#57
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:19:46 GMT, Bret Chase <nunya@business.net>
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:40 GMT, Bonehenge
><Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>:|On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>>:|<mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>:|
>>:|>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>:|
>>:|The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>>:|actual off-roading beyond dirt roads.
>
>funny how Peterson's 4 wheel and offroad ran a pair of libertys down
>the Rubicon tail w/o breaking anything.. I'd call that a bit more
>extreme than a "dirt road"
So would I.
However, My '99 TJ Sport breaks things all the time, on dirt roads.
<G> This is my third Wrangler, following an '89 and a '92. I
continue to buy them because there's nothing like no top & doors on a
beautiful day.
I bought it new, and have had the following break:
Rear gate latch - 8k
Water pump - 20k
Radiator - 23k
Gate latch #2 - 24k
Stock plug wires literally crumbling in my hands - $36k (3 years)
All (3) climate control ***** - 24-28k
Top bow brass inserts stripped inside plastic tips - 2nd top swap
Rear brake cylinders leaking brake fluid - 32k (the '89 did this as
well)
Door retention strap ripped out of door panel - 33k
Gate latch #3 - 34k
Rear main leaking - 44k
Not to mention the occasional, intermittent loss of power to the
instrument cluster. I do not have a large tire on the back, only the
stock 30", the gate latches are killing me. I'm now out of warranty
and maintaining a repair fund, just in case.
Now, lets talk about just about every '99-'01 Grand Cherokee I know
about, starting with the brakes.
I'm not shocked when a magazine dosen't break anything on the Rubicon
Trail, but I also don't believe everything I read. I do have a
feeling that the Liberty's they got weren't "blind" purchases, the
dealer and Jeep knew where the individual vehicles were going.
Barry
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:40 GMT, Bonehenge
><Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>:|On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>>:|<mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>:|
>>:|>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>:|
>>:|The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>>:|actual off-roading beyond dirt roads.
>
>funny how Peterson's 4 wheel and offroad ran a pair of libertys down
>the Rubicon tail w/o breaking anything.. I'd call that a bit more
>extreme than a "dirt road"
So would I.
However, My '99 TJ Sport breaks things all the time, on dirt roads.
<G> This is my third Wrangler, following an '89 and a '92. I
continue to buy them because there's nothing like no top & doors on a
beautiful day.
I bought it new, and have had the following break:
Rear gate latch - 8k
Water pump - 20k
Radiator - 23k
Gate latch #2 - 24k
Stock plug wires literally crumbling in my hands - $36k (3 years)
All (3) climate control ***** - 24-28k
Top bow brass inserts stripped inside plastic tips - 2nd top swap
Rear brake cylinders leaking brake fluid - 32k (the '89 did this as
well)
Door retention strap ripped out of door panel - 33k
Gate latch #3 - 34k
Rear main leaking - 44k
Not to mention the occasional, intermittent loss of power to the
instrument cluster. I do not have a large tire on the back, only the
stock 30", the gate latches are killing me. I'm now out of warranty
and maintaining a repair fund, just in case.
Now, lets talk about just about every '99-'01 Grand Cherokee I know
about, starting with the brakes.
I'm not shocked when a magazine dosen't break anything on the Rubicon
Trail, but I also don't believe everything I read. I do have a
feeling that the Liberty's they got weren't "blind" purchases, the
dealer and Jeep knew where the individual vehicles were going.
Barry
#58
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:19:46 GMT, Bret Chase <nunya@business.net>
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:40 GMT, Bonehenge
><Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>:|On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>>:|<mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>:|
>>:|>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>:|
>>:|The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>>:|actual off-roading beyond dirt roads.
>
>funny how Peterson's 4 wheel and offroad ran a pair of libertys down
>the Rubicon tail w/o breaking anything.. I'd call that a bit more
>extreme than a "dirt road"
So would I.
However, My '99 TJ Sport breaks things all the time, on dirt roads.
<G> This is my third Wrangler, following an '89 and a '92. I
continue to buy them because there's nothing like no top & doors on a
beautiful day.
I bought it new, and have had the following break:
Rear gate latch - 8k
Water pump - 20k
Radiator - 23k
Gate latch #2 - 24k
Stock plug wires literally crumbling in my hands - $36k (3 years)
All (3) climate control ***** - 24-28k
Top bow brass inserts stripped inside plastic tips - 2nd top swap
Rear brake cylinders leaking brake fluid - 32k (the '89 did this as
well)
Door retention strap ripped out of door panel - 33k
Gate latch #3 - 34k
Rear main leaking - 44k
Not to mention the occasional, intermittent loss of power to the
instrument cluster. I do not have a large tire on the back, only the
stock 30", the gate latches are killing me. I'm now out of warranty
and maintaining a repair fund, just in case.
Now, lets talk about just about every '99-'01 Grand Cherokee I know
about, starting with the brakes.
I'm not shocked when a magazine dosen't break anything on the Rubicon
Trail, but I also don't believe everything I read. I do have a
feeling that the Liberty's they got weren't "blind" purchases, the
dealer and Jeep knew where the individual vehicles were going.
Barry
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:40 GMT, Bonehenge
><Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>:|On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:18:04 -0800, Matt Mead
>>:|<mdmead@DELETETHIScharter.net> wrote:
>>:|
>>:|>How about the Jeep Liberty with the new diesel engine option?
>>:|
>>:|The Liberty has independent front suspension, and is not intended for
>>:|actual off-roading beyond dirt roads.
>
>funny how Peterson's 4 wheel and offroad ran a pair of libertys down
>the Rubicon tail w/o breaking anything.. I'd call that a bit more
>extreme than a "dirt road"
So would I.
However, My '99 TJ Sport breaks things all the time, on dirt roads.
<G> This is my third Wrangler, following an '89 and a '92. I
continue to buy them because there's nothing like no top & doors on a
beautiful day.
I bought it new, and have had the following break:
Rear gate latch - 8k
Water pump - 20k
Radiator - 23k
Gate latch #2 - 24k
Stock plug wires literally crumbling in my hands - $36k (3 years)
All (3) climate control ***** - 24-28k
Top bow brass inserts stripped inside plastic tips - 2nd top swap
Rear brake cylinders leaking brake fluid - 32k (the '89 did this as
well)
Door retention strap ripped out of door panel - 33k
Gate latch #3 - 34k
Rear main leaking - 44k
Not to mention the occasional, intermittent loss of power to the
instrument cluster. I do not have a large tire on the back, only the
stock 30", the gate latches are killing me. I'm now out of warranty
and maintaining a repair fund, just in case.
Now, lets talk about just about every '99-'01 Grand Cherokee I know
about, starting with the brakes.
I'm not shocked when a magazine dosen't break anything on the Rubicon
Trail, but I also don't believe everything I read. I do have a
feeling that the Liberty's they got weren't "blind" purchases, the
dealer and Jeep knew where the individual vehicles were going.
Barry
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:03:07 +1300, "dundee" <far_canel@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>isn't the hummer independent front.?
Right. Have you compared tires and ground clearance?
I have a Subaru Outback and a '99 TJ. The Outback actually has better
center clearance than a Liberty, even slightly more than the TJ, as
there isn't a pumpkin. There are places the Outback excels, if it
had a low range in the transfer case (center diff in this case), there
would be more.
However, nothing gets over rocks and in and out of holes like the TJ's
solid axles.
Remember when Jeep dropped the Liberty's ride height 1/2" so the
soccer moms wouldn't flip them?
Barry
wrote:
>isn't the hummer independent front.?
Right. Have you compared tires and ground clearance?
I have a Subaru Outback and a '99 TJ. The Outback actually has better
center clearance than a Liberty, even slightly more than the TJ, as
there isn't a pumpkin. There are places the Outback excels, if it
had a low range in the transfer case (center diff in this case), there
would be more.
However, nothing gets over rocks and in and out of holes like the TJ's
solid axles.
Remember when Jeep dropped the Liberty's ride height 1/2" so the
soccer moms wouldn't flip them?
Barry
#60
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Re: Bring back the Brat or modernize the Wrangler
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:03:07 +1300, "dundee" <far_canel@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>isn't the hummer independent front.?
Right. Have you compared tires and ground clearance?
I have a Subaru Outback and a '99 TJ. The Outback actually has better
center clearance than a Liberty, even slightly more than the TJ, as
there isn't a pumpkin. There are places the Outback excels, if it
had a low range in the transfer case (center diff in this case), there
would be more.
However, nothing gets over rocks and in and out of holes like the TJ's
solid axles.
Remember when Jeep dropped the Liberty's ride height 1/2" so the
soccer moms wouldn't flip them?
Barry
wrote:
>isn't the hummer independent front.?
Right. Have you compared tires and ground clearance?
I have a Subaru Outback and a '99 TJ. The Outback actually has better
center clearance than a Liberty, even slightly more than the TJ, as
there isn't a pumpkin. There are places the Outback excels, if it
had a low range in the transfer case (center diff in this case), there
would be more.
However, nothing gets over rocks and in and out of holes like the TJ's
solid axles.
Remember when Jeep dropped the Liberty's ride height 1/2" so the
soccer moms wouldn't flip them?
Barry