Sorry, installed.

Mike

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> For the part? That's curious. The guy I was talking to quoted me US$190
> for the manifold. A local discount retailer quote me about the same, plus
> or minus $30 or so.
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
> >

 

Nope.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650

 

Nope.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650

 

Nope.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650

 

Nope.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650

 

Yes.

The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....

It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.

You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.

Mike

"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >

 

Yes.

The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....

It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.

You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.

Mike

"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >

 

Yes.

The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....

It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.

You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.

Mike

"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >

 

Yes.

The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....

It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.

You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.

Mike

"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >

 

Sure Bill.

The status of the intake gasket is in question too. As long as it has
cracked, things have shifted and they share bolts. The crack also makes
a lot of heat movement of parts.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Nope.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "George J. McFadden" wrote:
> >
> > Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> > quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> > them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> > the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> > to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> > confronting them with the "evidence".
> >
> > Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> > runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
> >
> > Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> > air mix.
> > Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> > present.
> > No change in how jeep runs.
> > Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
> >
> > Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> > Carb did not need to be replaced.
> >
> > Does this sound right?
> >
> > George
> > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> > 00 SV650