Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
04-23-2004, 02:01 PM
#41
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Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Sorry, installed.
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> For the part? That's curious. The guy I was talking to quoted me US$190
> for the manifold. A local discount retailer quote me about the same, plus
> or minus $30 or so.
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
> >
Mike
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> For the part? That's curious. The guy I was talking to quoted me US$190
> for the manifold. A local discount retailer quote me about the same, plus
> or minus $30 or so.
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
> >
04-23-2004, 02:06 PM
#42
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Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Nope.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
04-23-2004, 02:06 PM
#43
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Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Nope.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
04-23-2004, 02:06 PM
#44
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Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Nope.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
04-23-2004, 02:06 PM
#45
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Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Nope.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
04-23-2004, 02:16 PM
#46
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Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Yes.
The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....
It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.
You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.
Mike
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....
It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.
You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.
Mike
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
04-23-2004, 02:16 PM
#47
Guest
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Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Yes.
The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....
It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.
You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.
Mike
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....
It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.
You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.
Mike
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
04-23-2004, 02:16 PM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Yes.
The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....
It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.
You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.
Mike
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....
It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.
You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.
Mike
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
04-23-2004, 02:16 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Yes.
The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....
It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.
You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.
Mike
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
The 258 is notorious for having that long manifold come loose. This
really messes up the carb mix....
It will need a retorque in a few 100 miles likely also.
You can spray carb cleaner along the manifold gasket and if the idle
blips it is leaky.
Mike
"George J. McFadden" wrote:
>
> Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> confronting them with the "evidence".
>
> Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
>
> Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> air mix.
> Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> present.
> No change in how jeep runs.
> Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
>
> Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> Carb did not need to be replaced.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
> George
> 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> 00 SV650
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
04-23-2004, 02:19 PM
#50
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Borla Header installed for $800 - Reasonable? rip off?
Sure Bill.
The status of the intake gasket is in question too. As long as it has
cracked, things have shifted and they share bolts. The crack also makes
a lot of heat movement of parts.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Nope.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "George J. McFadden" wrote:
> >
> > Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> > quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> > them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> > the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> > to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> > confronting them with the "evidence".
> >
> > Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> > runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
> >
> > Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> > air mix.
> > Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> > present.
> > No change in how jeep runs.
> > Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
> >
> > Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> > Carb did not need to be replaced.
> >
> > Does this sound right?
> >
> > George
> > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> > 00 SV650
The status of the intake gasket is in question too. As long as it has
cracked, things have shifted and they share bolts. The crack also makes
a lot of heat movement of parts.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Nope.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "George J. McFadden" wrote:
> >
> > Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
> > quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
> > them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
> > the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
> > to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
> > confronting them with the "evidence".
> >
> > Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
> > runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.
> >
> > Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
> > air mix.
> > Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
> > present.
> > No change in how jeep runs.
> > Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.
> >
> > Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
> > Carb did not need to be replaced.
> >
> > Does this sound right?
> >
> > George
> > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > 98 Ram 1500 5.9L
> > 00 SV650