George J. McFadden

I checked with some other shops and a sample of the quotes are $600
(local shop), $675 Mineke, $760+tax Midas, $800 Hi Tech 4x4.

I called back to Hi Tech and asked how long (labor hrs) they were
quoting - they said 5.5hrs. I told them I have been seeing a 4hr labor
in my searching and told them that if they keep it to 4 hrs I would go
for it ($68/hr rate) - should end up to be around $730-$750.

Son of a Diddly! these things are expensive. The other diff is that the
three cheaper places were for a direct replacement manifold, and the Hi
Tech was for a Borla.

I think I am going to quit my IT job and become a mechanic!! ;-)

George
90 Wrangler 4.2L
98 Ram 1500 5.9L
00 SV650

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> For the part? That's curious. The guy I was talking to quoted me US$190
> for the manifold. A local discount retailer quote me about the same, plus
> or minus $30 or so.
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
> >

George J. McFadden

I checked with some other shops and a sample of the quotes are $600
(local shop), $675 Mineke, $760+tax Midas, $800 Hi Tech 4x4.

I called back to Hi Tech and asked how long (labor hrs) they were
quoting - they said 5.5hrs. I told them I have been seeing a 4hr labor
in my searching and told them that if they keep it to 4 hrs I would go
for it ($68/hr rate) - should end up to be around $730-$750.

Son of a Diddly! these things are expensive. The other diff is that the
three cheaper places were for a direct replacement manifold, and the Hi
Tech was for a Borla.

I think I am going to quit my IT job and become a mechanic!! ;-)

George
90 Wrangler 4.2L
98 Ram 1500 5.9L
00 SV650

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> For the part? That's curious. The guy I was talking to quoted me US$190
> for the manifold. A local discount retailer quote me about the same, plus
> or minus $30 or so.
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
> >

George J. McFadden

I checked with some other shops and a sample of the quotes are $600
(local shop), $675 Mineke, $760+tax Midas, $800 Hi Tech 4x4.

I called back to Hi Tech and asked how long (labor hrs) they were
quoting - they said 5.5hrs. I told them I have been seeing a 4hr labor
in my searching and told them that if they keep it to 4 hrs I would go
for it ($68/hr rate) - should end up to be around $730-$750.

Son of a Diddly! these things are expensive. The other diff is that the
three cheaper places were for a direct replacement manifold, and the Hi
Tech was for a Borla.

I think I am going to quit my IT job and become a mechanic!! ;-)

George
90 Wrangler 4.2L
98 Ram 1500 5.9L
00 SV650

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> For the part? That's curious. The guy I was talking to quoted me US$190
> for the manifold. A local discount retailer quote me about the same, plus
> or minus $30 or so.
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
> >

George J. McFadden

Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
confronting them with the "evidence".

Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.

Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
air mix.
Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
present.
No change in how jeep runs.
Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.

Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
Carb did not need to be replaced.

Does this sound right?

George
90 Wrangler 4.2L
98 Ram 1500 5.9L
00 SV650


Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> >
> > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > that, I like an honest answer.
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> >
> > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > install.
> > >
> > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > George
> > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > >

George J. McFadden

Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
confronting them with the "evidence".

Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.

Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
air mix.
Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
present.
No change in how jeep runs.
Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.

Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
Carb did not need to be replaced.

Does this sound right?

George
90 Wrangler 4.2L
98 Ram 1500 5.9L
00 SV650


Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> >
> > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > that, I like an honest answer.
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> >
> > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > install.
> > >
> > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > George
> > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > >

George J. McFadden

Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
confronting them with the "evidence".

Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.

Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
air mix.
Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
present.
No change in how jeep runs.
Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.

Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
Carb did not need to be replaced.

Does this sound right?

George
90 Wrangler 4.2L
98 Ram 1500 5.9L
00 SV650


Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> >
> > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > that, I like an honest answer.
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> >
> > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > install.
> > >
> > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > George
> > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > >

George J. McFadden

Oh, and by the way, Mike. Once this header is installed I will begin my
quest to get my money back for the unnecessary carb repair. I quizzed
them yesterday on it again - the fact that a new carb made no change to
the way the jeep ran - and they again said they "had" to replace it due
to the "bend air horn". I have the pic you sent so I plan on
confronting them with the "evidence".

Logically it makes sense that the Carter carb was fine. Assuming it
runs great once the manifold is replaced the following is true.

Jeep runs bad, has exhaust manifold leak. Taken to shop to adjust fuel
air mix.
Carb diagnosed as prob and replaced. Exhaust manifold leak still
present.
No change in how jeep runs.
Exhaust manifold replaced. Jeep runs fine.

Logic says that problem was not with carb but with the manifold leak.
Carb did not need to be replaced.

Does this sound right?

George
90 Wrangler 4.2L
98 Ram 1500 5.9L
00 SV650


Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> >
> > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > that, I like an honest answer.
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> >
> > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > install.
> > >
> > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > George
> > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > >

Mike Romain

Sorry, installed.

Mike

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> For the part? That's curious. The guy I was talking to quoted me US$190
> for the manifold. A local discount retailer quote me about the same, plus
> or minus $30 or so.
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
> >

Mike Romain

Sorry, installed.

Mike

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> For the part? That's curious. The guy I was talking to quoted me US$190
> for the manifold. A local discount retailer quote me about the same, plus
> or minus $30 or so.
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
> >

Mike Romain

Sorry, installed.

Mike

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> For the part? That's curious. The guy I was talking to quoted me US$190
> for the manifold. A local discount retailer quote me about the same, plus
> or minus $30 or so.
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I was just quoted $400.00 for a replacement manifold on our 88.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds OK from where I sit. That's about 5 hours of shop time at $70/hr.
> > > But I don't bend wrenches for a living, either.
> > >
> > > I just asked my local 4WD shop/bone yard for an estimate on replacing my
> > > cracked exhaust manifold on my `89 Cherokee's 4.0 (I looked at it and
> > > thought "Ohhh, I don't want to do this.") The reply was "Last time I did
> > > one I swore I'd never do another -- I lose money on them." I was OK with
> > > that, I like an honest answer.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, George J. McFadden wrote:
> > >
> > > > My exhaust manifold is cracked (badly) and needs replacement. The basic
> > > > estimate is for around $800. $425ish for the header, the rest for
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is high. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > George
> > > > 90 Wrangler 4.2L
> > > >
> >