Biodiesel Info-The Straight Poop ooIIIIIIIIIIIIoo
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Re: Biodiesel Info-The Straight Poop ooIIIIIIIIIIIIoo
Besides it's irrelevent anyway, I don't own a CJ, or a WJ, or an XJ, or a
YJ, does that mean I can't join discussions on them?
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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> I don't, but they are very common here; as many about as the petrol
> varieties.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40E96B15.894443A7@sympatico.ca...
> > The posts were made with the intent to bait and troll and flood this
> > group with BS and this one was a continuation of that harassment policy
> > of the Poster..
> >
> > Does anyone here even own a Jeep diesel?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike, I hate trolling as much as you do, but the fact remains that
Jeep
> > > sells diesel vehicles,
> > > and bio-diesel is a fuel they can run (although older diesels are
better
> > > suited to it than
> > > modern ones). There are a few bio-diesel vans running about over here
> saving
> > > a lot in
> > > tax. In *this* instance, I fail to see how you have any valid
> objection.
> > > Perhaps some
> > > here may not like the prospect of diesel becoming popular in the US or
> > > Canada, but that
> > > particular objection is a political one that can be kept for
> > > alt.politics.--------, can't it ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40E757A3.8EBEEF5@sympatico.ca...
> > > > The person has declared open season on Bill as troll bait and
> continues
> > > > to post diesel bull ----!
> > > >
> > > > Take the Charter as you want. It is simple and there.
> > > >
> > > > Posting BS to disrupt a newsgroup or to attack one person with bait
is
> > > > also frowned on by ISP's.
> > > >
> > > > 'I' know you are 'well' aware of that... LOL!
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > bllsht wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is Mike's newsgroup and he will decide what's on topic. LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > In message <IDGFc.3251$Bg5.28335158@news-text.cableinet.net>,
"Dave
> > > Milne"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >In general, trolling aside, I can't see how diesel discussion is
> off
> > > topic
> > > > > >given that Jeep sells diesel vehicles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > > >'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:40E6CB6C.26518469@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> Enough trolling!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Newsgroup Charter time!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> This newsgroup actually does have a Charter and all your off
> topic
> > > posts
> > > > > >> on diesel are not welcomed here.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Especially seeing as it is pure troll bait.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Our Charter can be found here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > >
>
>ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc....makers.jeep+w
> > > illys
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Servers like hotmail take newsgroup charter violations
seriously.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Ted Azito wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> <snip troll>
> > > > > >
>
>
YJ, does that mean I can't join discussions on them?
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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> I don't, but they are very common here; as many about as the petrol
> varieties.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40E96B15.894443A7@sympatico.ca...
> > The posts were made with the intent to bait and troll and flood this
> > group with BS and this one was a continuation of that harassment policy
> > of the Poster..
> >
> > Does anyone here even own a Jeep diesel?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike, I hate trolling as much as you do, but the fact remains that
Jeep
> > > sells diesel vehicles,
> > > and bio-diesel is a fuel they can run (although older diesels are
better
> > > suited to it than
> > > modern ones). There are a few bio-diesel vans running about over here
> saving
> > > a lot in
> > > tax. In *this* instance, I fail to see how you have any valid
> objection.
> > > Perhaps some
> > > here may not like the prospect of diesel becoming popular in the US or
> > > Canada, but that
> > > particular objection is a political one that can be kept for
> > > alt.politics.--------, can't it ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40E757A3.8EBEEF5@sympatico.ca...
> > > > The person has declared open season on Bill as troll bait and
> continues
> > > > to post diesel bull ----!
> > > >
> > > > Take the Charter as you want. It is simple and there.
> > > >
> > > > Posting BS to disrupt a newsgroup or to attack one person with bait
is
> > > > also frowned on by ISP's.
> > > >
> > > > 'I' know you are 'well' aware of that... LOL!
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > bllsht wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is Mike's newsgroup and he will decide what's on topic. LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > In message <IDGFc.3251$Bg5.28335158@news-text.cableinet.net>,
"Dave
> > > Milne"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >In general, trolling aside, I can't see how diesel discussion is
> off
> > > topic
> > > > > >given that Jeep sells diesel vehicles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > > >'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:40E6CB6C.26518469@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > >> Enough trolling!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Newsgroup Charter time!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> This newsgroup actually does have a Charter and all your off
> topic
> > > posts
> > > > > >> on diesel are not welcomed here.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Especially seeing as it is pure troll bait.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Our Charter can be found here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > >
>
>ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc....makers.jeep+w
> > > illys
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Servers like hotmail take newsgroup charter violations
seriously.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Ted Azito wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> <snip troll>
> > > > > >
>
>
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Re: Biodiesel Info-The Straight Poop ooIIIIIIIIIIIIoo
This is really getting out of hand, here, Bill, you can forward all of Ted's
posts to abuse@whoever.com but you're coming off as someone who just logs
abuse complaints with someone you simply disagree with. Just plonk him like
an adult and grow the hell up.
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abuse complaints with someone you simply disagree with. Just plonk him like
an adult and grow the hell up.
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This is really getting out of hand, here, Bill, you can forward all of Ted's
posts to abuse@whoever.com but you're coming off as someone who just logs
abuse complaints with someone you simply disagree with. Just plonk him like
an adult and grow the hell up.
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Re: Biodiesel Info-The Straight Poop ooIIIIIIIIIIIIoo
This is really getting out of hand, here, Bill, you can forward all of Ted's
posts to abuse@whoever.com but you're coming off as someone who just logs
abuse complaints with someone you simply disagree with. Just plonk him like
an adult and grow the hell up.
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This is really getting out of hand, here, Bill, you can forward all of Ted's
posts to abuse@whoever.com but you're coming off as someone who just logs
abuse complaints with someone you simply disagree with. Just plonk him like
an adult and grow the hell up.
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abuse complaints with someone you simply disagree with. Just plonk him like
an adult and grow the hell up.
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#186
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Biodiesel Info-The Straight Poop ooIIIIIIIIIIIIoo
> Why do you Think trolls us Hotmail? How many time may it apply for
.....
I'm fluent in many languages english being only one of them... How
about yourself? ....
>an address, before they won't allow it's Internet Service Providers'
>user name to apply. Of course he may move on to Bigfoot or hundreds of
>others, I'll nail it there too. And not feel bad about it, as these
>trolls haven't the guts to use their real names.
I'm sure you won't feel bad, much like the preschoolers who have to
run and tell mommy every time something doesn't go their way.. You
could just be the bigger man and either ignore posts your not
interested in, or filter them out.. Why waste your time acting
childish in a futile struggle to prove something to ... who
yourself?
.....
I'm fluent in many languages english being only one of them... How
about yourself? ....
>an address, before they won't allow it's Internet Service Providers'
>user name to apply. Of course he may move on to Bigfoot or hundreds of
>others, I'll nail it there too. And not feel bad about it, as these
>trolls haven't the guts to use their real names.
I'm sure you won't feel bad, much like the preschoolers who have to
run and tell mommy every time something doesn't go their way.. You
could just be the bigger man and either ignore posts your not
interested in, or filter them out.. Why waste your time acting
childish in a futile struggle to prove something to ... who
yourself?
#187
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Biodiesel Info-The Straight Poop ooIIIIIIIIIIIIoo
> Why do you Think trolls us Hotmail? How many time may it apply for
.....
I'm fluent in many languages english being only one of them... How
about yourself? ....
>an address, before they won't allow it's Internet Service Providers'
>user name to apply. Of course he may move on to Bigfoot or hundreds of
>others, I'll nail it there too. And not feel bad about it, as these
>trolls haven't the guts to use their real names.
I'm sure you won't feel bad, much like the preschoolers who have to
run and tell mommy every time something doesn't go their way.. You
could just be the bigger man and either ignore posts your not
interested in, or filter them out.. Why waste your time acting
childish in a futile struggle to prove something to ... who
yourself?
.....
I'm fluent in many languages english being only one of them... How
about yourself? ....
>an address, before they won't allow it's Internet Service Providers'
>user name to apply. Of course he may move on to Bigfoot or hundreds of
>others, I'll nail it there too. And not feel bad about it, as these
>trolls haven't the guts to use their real names.
I'm sure you won't feel bad, much like the preschoolers who have to
run and tell mommy every time something doesn't go their way.. You
could just be the bigger man and either ignore posts your not
interested in, or filter them out.. Why waste your time acting
childish in a futile struggle to prove something to ... who
yourself?
#188
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Biodiesel Info-The Straight Poop ooIIIIIIIIIIIIoo
> Why do you Think trolls us Hotmail? How many time may it apply for
.....
I'm fluent in many languages english being only one of them... How
about yourself? ....
>an address, before they won't allow it's Internet Service Providers'
>user name to apply. Of course he may move on to Bigfoot or hundreds of
>others, I'll nail it there too. And not feel bad about it, as these
>trolls haven't the guts to use their real names.
I'm sure you won't feel bad, much like the preschoolers who have to
run and tell mommy every time something doesn't go their way.. You
could just be the bigger man and either ignore posts your not
interested in, or filter them out.. Why waste your time acting
childish in a futile struggle to prove something to ... who
yourself?
.....
I'm fluent in many languages english being only one of them... How
about yourself? ....
>an address, before they won't allow it's Internet Service Providers'
>user name to apply. Of course he may move on to Bigfoot or hundreds of
>others, I'll nail it there too. And not feel bad about it, as these
>trolls haven't the guts to use their real names.
I'm sure you won't feel bad, much like the preschoolers who have to
run and tell mommy every time something doesn't go their way.. You
could just be the bigger man and either ignore posts your not
interested in, or filter them out.. Why waste your time acting
childish in a futile struggle to prove something to ... who
yourself?
#189
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Biodiesel Info-The Straight Poop ooIIIIIIIIIIIIoo
> Why do you Think trolls us Hotmail? How many time may it apply for
.....
I'm fluent in many languages english being only one of them... How
about yourself? ....
>an address, before they won't allow it's Internet Service Providers'
>user name to apply. Of course he may move on to Bigfoot or hundreds of
>others, I'll nail it there too. And not feel bad about it, as these
>trolls haven't the guts to use their real names.
I'm sure you won't feel bad, much like the preschoolers who have to
run and tell mommy every time something doesn't go their way.. You
could just be the bigger man and either ignore posts your not
interested in, or filter them out.. Why waste your time acting
childish in a futile struggle to prove something to ... who
yourself?
.....
I'm fluent in many languages english being only one of them... How
about yourself? ....
>an address, before they won't allow it's Internet Service Providers'
>user name to apply. Of course he may move on to Bigfoot or hundreds of
>others, I'll nail it there too. And not feel bad about it, as these
>trolls haven't the guts to use their real names.
I'm sure you won't feel bad, much like the preschoolers who have to
run and tell mommy every time something doesn't go their way.. You
could just be the bigger man and either ignore posts your not
interested in, or filter them out.. Why waste your time acting
childish in a futile struggle to prove something to ... who
yourself?