The big chill...
11-21-2003, 09:13 AM
#51
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Re: The big chill...
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote in message
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---snippy---
>
> Onme other thing, CJs and the northeast aren't a good combination
> where rust is concerened. I'm not sure what to tell you to do, as any
> rustproofing I've ssen done on them really never works out very well.
> Might be time to make it a summer only vehicle.
> > --
Nothing lasts forever though. You can have fun with it, or you can let it
sit in the garage looking pretty all winter. The choice is up to you.
Earle
news:bpl4j502pqs@enews1.newsguy.com...
---snippy---
>
> Onme other thing, CJs and the northeast aren't a good combination
> where rust is concerened. I'm not sure what to tell you to do, as any
> rustproofing I've ssen done on them really never works out very well.
> Might be time to make it a summer only vehicle.
> > --
Nothing lasts forever though. You can have fun with it, or you can let it
sit in the garage looking pretty all winter. The choice is up to you.
Earle
11-21-2003, 09:13 AM
#52
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Re: The big chill...
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bpl4j502pqs@enews1.newsguy.com...
---snippy---
>
> Onme other thing, CJs and the northeast aren't a good combination
> where rust is concerened. I'm not sure what to tell you to do, as any
> rustproofing I've ssen done on them really never works out very well.
> Might be time to make it a summer only vehicle.
> > --
Nothing lasts forever though. You can have fun with it, or you can let it
sit in the garage looking pretty all winter. The choice is up to you.
Earle
news:bpl4j502pqs@enews1.newsguy.com...
---snippy---
>
> Onme other thing, CJs and the northeast aren't a good combination
> where rust is concerened. I'm not sure what to tell you to do, as any
> rustproofing I've ssen done on them really never works out very well.
> Might be time to make it a summer only vehicle.
> > --
Nothing lasts forever though. You can have fun with it, or you can let it
sit in the garage looking pretty all winter. The choice is up to you.
Earle
11-21-2003, 10:42 AM
#53
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Re: The big chill...
Playing in the snow is a great learning tool.
If you have center diff (Full Time) 4wd like some XJs you can do hand
brake turns. They're a great way to pivot the truck around tight turns
when the front just wants to go straight. A real hoot in a vacant
parking lot. This is one technique the rally car drivers use to get
around those 270 degree forest road turns so fast - pivot, point and
shoot.
Doesn't work well with Part Time engaged tho....
From http://www.ausubaru.com/articles/drivingtech.htm
QUOTE
Parking/Hand Brake Turn
Applies To: FWD, RWD, AWD without limited-slip/locked centre
differential, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII
Usage: Turning the car around very tight hairpins and turns, even on
dry pavement. Destabilizer.
Theory of Operation: The hand brake is connected to rear wheels only.
Applying the hand brake will cause instant loss of traction in the
rear, making the rear slide out.
Instructions: If in a RWD or AWD, press clutch pedal until release of
hand brake.
For super tight turn: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the
turn direction and apply hand brake for as long as you wish to rotate.
Ideally the car should nearly stop moving all together by the time you
are done rotating. Let go of hand brake slightly ahead of the time you
wish to stop rotating. The higher the speed, and the more slippery it
is, the harder to stop the rotation.
For destabilizing: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the turn
direction and apply hand brake for a brief moment - only enough to
cause sideway sliding of the rear wheels. Then re-engage clutch and
come on the throttle.
Notes: Works very well (and should never be used other than) at low
speeds. AWD cars with a centre limited-slip or locked differential
will also lock up the front wheels when applying the handbrake. Lancer
Evolution VII has a computer controlled hydro-electric clutch that
automatically disengages any locking when hand brake is applied.
UNQUOTE
They claim the front wheels will also lock in a limited slip center
diff vehicle - I haven't found that to be troublesome or even
noticeable. As they say, you mileage may vary.
If you have a Wrangler, take the wife's Camry out and try it some
time.
John Davies
Spokane WA USA
If you have center diff (Full Time) 4wd like some XJs you can do hand
brake turns. They're a great way to pivot the truck around tight turns
when the front just wants to go straight. A real hoot in a vacant
parking lot. This is one technique the rally car drivers use to get
around those 270 degree forest road turns so fast - pivot, point and
shoot.
Doesn't work well with Part Time engaged tho....
From http://www.ausubaru.com/articles/drivingtech.htm
QUOTE
Parking/Hand Brake Turn
Applies To: FWD, RWD, AWD without limited-slip/locked centre
differential, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII
Usage: Turning the car around very tight hairpins and turns, even on
dry pavement. Destabilizer.
Theory of Operation: The hand brake is connected to rear wheels only.
Applying the hand brake will cause instant loss of traction in the
rear, making the rear slide out.
Instructions: If in a RWD or AWD, press clutch pedal until release of
hand brake.
For super tight turn: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the
turn direction and apply hand brake for as long as you wish to rotate.
Ideally the car should nearly stop moving all together by the time you
are done rotating. Let go of hand brake slightly ahead of the time you
wish to stop rotating. The higher the speed, and the more slippery it
is, the harder to stop the rotation.
For destabilizing: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the turn
direction and apply hand brake for a brief moment - only enough to
cause sideway sliding of the rear wheels. Then re-engage clutch and
come on the throttle.
Notes: Works very well (and should never be used other than) at low
speeds. AWD cars with a centre limited-slip or locked differential
will also lock up the front wheels when applying the handbrake. Lancer
Evolution VII has a computer controlled hydro-electric clutch that
automatically disengages any locking when hand brake is applied.
UNQUOTE
They claim the front wheels will also lock in a limited slip center
diff vehicle - I haven't found that to be troublesome or even
noticeable. As they say, you mileage may vary.
If you have a Wrangler, take the wife's Camry out and try it some
time.
John Davies
Spokane WA USA
11-21-2003, 10:42 AM
#54
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Posts: n/a
Re: The big chill...
Playing in the snow is a great learning tool.
If you have center diff (Full Time) 4wd like some XJs you can do hand
brake turns. They're a great way to pivot the truck around tight turns
when the front just wants to go straight. A real hoot in a vacant
parking lot. This is one technique the rally car drivers use to get
around those 270 degree forest road turns so fast - pivot, point and
shoot.
Doesn't work well with Part Time engaged tho....
From http://www.ausubaru.com/articles/drivingtech.htm
QUOTE
Parking/Hand Brake Turn
Applies To: FWD, RWD, AWD without limited-slip/locked centre
differential, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII
Usage: Turning the car around very tight hairpins and turns, even on
dry pavement. Destabilizer.
Theory of Operation: The hand brake is connected to rear wheels only.
Applying the hand brake will cause instant loss of traction in the
rear, making the rear slide out.
Instructions: If in a RWD or AWD, press clutch pedal until release of
hand brake.
For super tight turn: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the
turn direction and apply hand brake for as long as you wish to rotate.
Ideally the car should nearly stop moving all together by the time you
are done rotating. Let go of hand brake slightly ahead of the time you
wish to stop rotating. The higher the speed, and the more slippery it
is, the harder to stop the rotation.
For destabilizing: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the turn
direction and apply hand brake for a brief moment - only enough to
cause sideway sliding of the rear wheels. Then re-engage clutch and
come on the throttle.
Notes: Works very well (and should never be used other than) at low
speeds. AWD cars with a centre limited-slip or locked differential
will also lock up the front wheels when applying the handbrake. Lancer
Evolution VII has a computer controlled hydro-electric clutch that
automatically disengages any locking when hand brake is applied.
UNQUOTE
They claim the front wheels will also lock in a limited slip center
diff vehicle - I haven't found that to be troublesome or even
noticeable. As they say, you mileage may vary.
If you have a Wrangler, take the wife's Camry out and try it some
time.
John Davies
Spokane WA USA
If you have center diff (Full Time) 4wd like some XJs you can do hand
brake turns. They're a great way to pivot the truck around tight turns
when the front just wants to go straight. A real hoot in a vacant
parking lot. This is one technique the rally car drivers use to get
around those 270 degree forest road turns so fast - pivot, point and
shoot.
Doesn't work well with Part Time engaged tho....
From http://www.ausubaru.com/articles/drivingtech.htm
QUOTE
Parking/Hand Brake Turn
Applies To: FWD, RWD, AWD without limited-slip/locked centre
differential, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII
Usage: Turning the car around very tight hairpins and turns, even on
dry pavement. Destabilizer.
Theory of Operation: The hand brake is connected to rear wheels only.
Applying the hand brake will cause instant loss of traction in the
rear, making the rear slide out.
Instructions: If in a RWD or AWD, press clutch pedal until release of
hand brake.
For super tight turn: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the
turn direction and apply hand brake for as long as you wish to rotate.
Ideally the car should nearly stop moving all together by the time you
are done rotating. Let go of hand brake slightly ahead of the time you
wish to stop rotating. The higher the speed, and the more slippery it
is, the harder to stop the rotation.
For destabilizing: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the turn
direction and apply hand brake for a brief moment - only enough to
cause sideway sliding of the rear wheels. Then re-engage clutch and
come on the throttle.
Notes: Works very well (and should never be used other than) at low
speeds. AWD cars with a centre limited-slip or locked differential
will also lock up the front wheels when applying the handbrake. Lancer
Evolution VII has a computer controlled hydro-electric clutch that
automatically disengages any locking when hand brake is applied.
UNQUOTE
They claim the front wheels will also lock in a limited slip center
diff vehicle - I haven't found that to be troublesome or even
noticeable. As they say, you mileage may vary.
If you have a Wrangler, take the wife's Camry out and try it some
time.
John Davies
Spokane WA USA
11-21-2003, 10:42 AM
#55
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Posts: n/a
Re: The big chill...
Playing in the snow is a great learning tool.
If you have center diff (Full Time) 4wd like some XJs you can do hand
brake turns. They're a great way to pivot the truck around tight turns
when the front just wants to go straight. A real hoot in a vacant
parking lot. This is one technique the rally car drivers use to get
around those 270 degree forest road turns so fast - pivot, point and
shoot.
Doesn't work well with Part Time engaged tho....
From http://www.ausubaru.com/articles/drivingtech.htm
QUOTE
Parking/Hand Brake Turn
Applies To: FWD, RWD, AWD without limited-slip/locked centre
differential, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII
Usage: Turning the car around very tight hairpins and turns, even on
dry pavement. Destabilizer.
Theory of Operation: The hand brake is connected to rear wheels only.
Applying the hand brake will cause instant loss of traction in the
rear, making the rear slide out.
Instructions: If in a RWD or AWD, press clutch pedal until release of
hand brake.
For super tight turn: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the
turn direction and apply hand brake for as long as you wish to rotate.
Ideally the car should nearly stop moving all together by the time you
are done rotating. Let go of hand brake slightly ahead of the time you
wish to stop rotating. The higher the speed, and the more slippery it
is, the harder to stop the rotation.
For destabilizing: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the turn
direction and apply hand brake for a brief moment - only enough to
cause sideway sliding of the rear wheels. Then re-engage clutch and
come on the throttle.
Notes: Works very well (and should never be used other than) at low
speeds. AWD cars with a centre limited-slip or locked differential
will also lock up the front wheels when applying the handbrake. Lancer
Evolution VII has a computer controlled hydro-electric clutch that
automatically disengages any locking when hand brake is applied.
UNQUOTE
They claim the front wheels will also lock in a limited slip center
diff vehicle - I haven't found that to be troublesome or even
noticeable. As they say, you mileage may vary.
If you have a Wrangler, take the wife's Camry out and try it some
time.
John Davies
Spokane WA USA
If you have center diff (Full Time) 4wd like some XJs you can do hand
brake turns. They're a great way to pivot the truck around tight turns
when the front just wants to go straight. A real hoot in a vacant
parking lot. This is one technique the rally car drivers use to get
around those 270 degree forest road turns so fast - pivot, point and
shoot.
Doesn't work well with Part Time engaged tho....
From http://www.ausubaru.com/articles/drivingtech.htm
QUOTE
Parking/Hand Brake Turn
Applies To: FWD, RWD, AWD without limited-slip/locked centre
differential, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII
Usage: Turning the car around very tight hairpins and turns, even on
dry pavement. Destabilizer.
Theory of Operation: The hand brake is connected to rear wheels only.
Applying the hand brake will cause instant loss of traction in the
rear, making the rear slide out.
Instructions: If in a RWD or AWD, press clutch pedal until release of
hand brake.
For super tight turn: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the
turn direction and apply hand brake for as long as you wish to rotate.
Ideally the car should nearly stop moving all together by the time you
are done rotating. Let go of hand brake slightly ahead of the time you
wish to stop rotating. The higher the speed, and the more slippery it
is, the harder to stop the rotation.
For destabilizing: Turn the steering wheel half a rotation in the turn
direction and apply hand brake for a brief moment - only enough to
cause sideway sliding of the rear wheels. Then re-engage clutch and
come on the throttle.
Notes: Works very well (and should never be used other than) at low
speeds. AWD cars with a centre limited-slip or locked differential
will also lock up the front wheels when applying the handbrake. Lancer
Evolution VII has a computer controlled hydro-electric clutch that
automatically disengages any locking when hand brake is applied.
UNQUOTE
They claim the front wheels will also lock in a limited slip center
diff vehicle - I haven't found that to be troublesome or even
noticeable. As they say, you mileage may vary.
If you have a Wrangler, take the wife's Camry out and try it some
time.
John Davies
Spokane WA USA
11-21-2003, 12:46 PM
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Re: The big chill...
Approximately 11/20/03 22:16, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
> Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
in snow...
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
> Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
in snow...
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
11-21-2003, 12:46 PM
#57
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Re: The big chill...
Approximately 11/20/03 22:16, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
> Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
in snow...
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
> Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
in snow...
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
11-21-2003, 12:46 PM
#58
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Posts: n/a
Re: The big chill...
Approximately 11/20/03 22:16, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
> Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
in snow...
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
> Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
in snow...
--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
11-21-2003, 01:35 PM
#59
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Re: The big chill...
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Approximately 11/20/03 22:16, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
>
> > Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> > and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> > parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
>
> ? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
> to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
> give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
> in snow...
>
> --
I found one of those damn blocks in a snow filled parking lot...
Broke my oil pan on it.
I wasn't in a Jeep though....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Approximately 11/20/03 22:16, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
>
> > Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> > and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> > parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
>
> ? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
> to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
> give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
> in snow...
>
> --
I found one of those damn blocks in a snow filled parking lot...
Broke my oil pan on it.
I wasn't in a Jeep though....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
11-21-2003, 01:35 PM
#60
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Re: The big chill...
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Approximately 11/20/03 22:16, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
>
> > Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> > and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> > parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
>
> ? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
> to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
> give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
> in snow...
>
> --
I found one of those damn blocks in a snow filled parking lot...
Broke my oil pan on it.
I wasn't in a Jeep though....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Approximately 11/20/03 22:16, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
>
> > Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
> > and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
> > parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!
>
> ? I would think you should be able to see any block big enough
> to bust a fender. Those lane blocks are just high enough to
> give you good practice for the next time you run the Rubicon
> in snow...
>
> --
I found one of those damn blocks in a snow filled parking lot...
Broke my oil pan on it.
I wasn't in a Jeep though....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's