travis

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:48:19 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:

>The low side of the road....
>
>A locker helps starting out, but once moving an open diff tracks
>straighter. If both wheels spin, it will go sideways 'really' fast.
>With the open diff and one wheel spinning, the other wheel acts like a
>rudder to keep it going straight.
>
>Also on corners at intersections if you are in 4x4 it might just plain
>want to go straight. Mine does and I have open diffs even. I have
>gotten into the habit of dropping to 2 wheel drive if I plan on making a
>left at an intersection. I then drop back to 4x4 once going straight
>again.
>
>You also might want to upgrade the heater blower motor. The stock one
>will not defrost the windshield. Period. You will need a scraper in
>one hand to see. I went with the bigger blower and all the windows will
>clear now. It puts out more on low than the stock one did on high.
>
>It is not a difficult swap. A motor out of a 73 full sized Blazer with
>a 350 and AC fits right in and the fan fits right on it. You just have
>to trim the hole in the firewall a bit bigger to clear it. Here is a
>link on that mod:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/body/heater.html
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

OK, the original poster didn't say if he had manual locking hubs up
front or not, but if he does and he isn't in 4WD then the locker up
front wouldn't have any effect at all on his driving, right? And the
locker in the rear is a manually controlled air locker so as long as
he didn't engage that it also wouldn't have any effect at all on his
driving, right?

>
>sm3gurpal wrote:
>>
>> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
>> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
>> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
>> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
>> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
>> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?


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Mike Romain

travis wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:48:19 -0500, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>
> >The low side of the road....
> >
> >A locker helps starting out, but once moving an open diff tracks
> >straighter. If both wheels spin, it will go sideways 'really' fast.
> >With the open diff and one wheel spinning, the other wheel acts like a
> >rudder to keep it going straight.
> >
> >Also on corners at intersections if you are in 4x4 it might just plain
> >want to go straight. Mine does and I have open diffs even. I have
> >gotten into the habit of dropping to 2 wheel drive if I plan on making a
> >left at an intersection. I then drop back to 4x4 once going straight
> >again.
> >
> >You also might want to upgrade the heater blower motor. The stock one
> >will not defrost the windshield. Period. You will need a scraper in
> >one hand to see. I went with the bigger blower and all the windows will
> >clear now. It puts out more on low than the stock one did on high.
> >
> >It is not a difficult swap. A motor out of a 73 full sized Blazer with
> >a 350 and AC fits right in and the fan fits right on it. You just have
> >to trim the hole in the firewall a bit bigger to clear it. Here is a
> >link on that mod:
> >
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/body/heater.html
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> OK, the original poster didn't say if he had manual locking hubs up
> front or not, but if he does and he isn't in 4WD then the locker up
> front wouldn't have any effect at all on his driving, right? And the
> locker in the rear is a manually controlled air locker so as long as
> he didn't engage that it also wouldn't have any effect at all on his
> driving, right?

Right and right.

He will really need to practice driving with the front hubs locked. He
has a CJ like mine that comes with open hubs and a manual lock.

I drive in the winter with my front hubs locked if I expect snow so I
can just toss it into 4x4 anytime needed.

Mike

>
> >
> >sm3gurpal wrote:
> >>
> >> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
> >> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
> >> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
> >> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
> >> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
> >> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Mike Romain

travis wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:48:19 -0500, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>
> >The low side of the road....
> >
> >A locker helps starting out, but once moving an open diff tracks
> >straighter. If both wheels spin, it will go sideways 'really' fast.
> >With the open diff and one wheel spinning, the other wheel acts like a
> >rudder to keep it going straight.
> >
> >Also on corners at intersections if you are in 4x4 it might just plain
> >want to go straight. Mine does and I have open diffs even. I have
> >gotten into the habit of dropping to 2 wheel drive if I plan on making a
> >left at an intersection. I then drop back to 4x4 once going straight
> >again.
> >
> >You also might want to upgrade the heater blower motor. The stock one
> >will not defrost the windshield. Period. You will need a scraper in
> >one hand to see. I went with the bigger blower and all the windows will
> >clear now. It puts out more on low than the stock one did on high.
> >
> >It is not a difficult swap. A motor out of a 73 full sized Blazer with
> >a 350 and AC fits right in and the fan fits right on it. You just have
> >to trim the hole in the firewall a bit bigger to clear it. Here is a
> >link on that mod:
> >
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/body/heater.html
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> OK, the original poster didn't say if he had manual locking hubs up
> front or not, but if he does and he isn't in 4WD then the locker up
> front wouldn't have any effect at all on his driving, right? And the
> locker in the rear is a manually controlled air locker so as long as
> he didn't engage that it also wouldn't have any effect at all on his
> driving, right?

Right and right.

He will really need to practice driving with the front hubs locked. He
has a CJ like mine that comes with open hubs and a manual lock.

I drive in the winter with my front hubs locked if I expect snow so I
can just toss it into 4x4 anytime needed.

Mike

>
> >
> >sm3gurpal wrote:
> >>
> >> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
> >> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
> >> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
> >> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
> >> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
> >> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Mike Romain

travis wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:48:19 -0500, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>
> >The low side of the road....
> >
> >A locker helps starting out, but once moving an open diff tracks
> >straighter. If both wheels spin, it will go sideways 'really' fast.
> >With the open diff and one wheel spinning, the other wheel acts like a
> >rudder to keep it going straight.
> >
> >Also on corners at intersections if you are in 4x4 it might just plain
> >want to go straight. Mine does and I have open diffs even. I have
> >gotten into the habit of dropping to 2 wheel drive if I plan on making a
> >left at an intersection. I then drop back to 4x4 once going straight
> >again.
> >
> >You also might want to upgrade the heater blower motor. The stock one
> >will not defrost the windshield. Period. You will need a scraper in
> >one hand to see. I went with the bigger blower and all the windows will
> >clear now. It puts out more on low than the stock one did on high.
> >
> >It is not a difficult swap. A motor out of a 73 full sized Blazer with
> >a 350 and AC fits right in and the fan fits right on it. You just have
> >to trim the hole in the firewall a bit bigger to clear it. Here is a
> >link on that mod:
> >
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/body/heater.html
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> OK, the original poster didn't say if he had manual locking hubs up
> front or not, but if he does and he isn't in 4WD then the locker up
> front wouldn't have any effect at all on his driving, right? And the
> locker in the rear is a manually controlled air locker so as long as
> he didn't engage that it also wouldn't have any effect at all on his
> driving, right?

Right and right.

He will really need to practice driving with the front hubs locked. He
has a CJ like mine that comes with open hubs and a manual lock.

I drive in the winter with my front hubs locked if I expect snow so I
can just toss it into 4x4 anytime needed.

Mike

>
> >
> >sm3gurpal wrote:
> >>
> >> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
> >> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
> >> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
> >> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
> >> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
> >> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Snow

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FBD3C36.E1CE4CC9@sympatico.ca...
> I still do that with every new vehicle and I highly recommend to anyone
> to find an empty parking lot and go nuts come first snow.

I do that every year once there is enough snow on the ground. Its just hard
to find an empty lot now, Not like when you and myself were younger and you
could go to the Woolco parking lot on a Sunday afternoon ;-)

> I have attracted the attention of the police on occasion also.

Yep, done that a few times too,, they were suspicious as to why someone was
doing donuts and skids in the parking lot of a closed beer store..

> I was even a teen the first time they saw me doing that, still no issues
> except a warning about 'stunting' being an offense but they liked what I
> was doing.

They had cars back when you was a teen??? lol,,, couldn't resist...

Snow...

Snow

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FBD3C36.E1CE4CC9@sympatico.ca...
> I still do that with every new vehicle and I highly recommend to anyone
> to find an empty parking lot and go nuts come first snow.

I do that every year once there is enough snow on the ground. Its just hard
to find an empty lot now, Not like when you and myself were younger and you
could go to the Woolco parking lot on a Sunday afternoon ;-)

> I have attracted the attention of the police on occasion also.

Yep, done that a few times too,, they were suspicious as to why someone was
doing donuts and skids in the parking lot of a closed beer store..

> I was even a teen the first time they saw me doing that, still no issues
> except a warning about 'stunting' being an offense but they liked what I
> was doing.

They had cars back when you was a teen??? lol,,, couldn't resist...

Snow...

Snow

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FBD3C36.E1CE4CC9@sympatico.ca...
> I still do that with every new vehicle and I highly recommend to anyone
> to find an empty parking lot and go nuts come first snow.

I do that every year once there is enough snow on the ground. Its just hard
to find an empty lot now, Not like when you and myself were younger and you
could go to the Woolco parking lot on a Sunday afternoon ;-)

> I have attracted the attention of the police on occasion also.

Yep, done that a few times too,, they were suspicious as to why someone was
doing donuts and skids in the parking lot of a closed beer store..

> I was even a teen the first time they saw me doing that, still no issues
> except a warning about 'stunting' being an offense but they liked what I
> was doing.

They had cars back when you was a teen??? lol,,, couldn't resist...

Snow...

Will Honea

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:58:03 UTC Lon Stowell
<LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:

> Approximately 11/20/03 11:48, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Excellent advice. It is true that open differentials in four wheel drive
> > setting and systems like Selectrac, Quadratrac, etc. will let you drive
> > faster on snow and ice, heh, but you don't really want to do that. Just
> > slow down and you will be all right.
>
> Yeah, and slowing down can be a bit of a good trick... with none of
> that awd helping a bit. I actually like lockers or limited slip
> in icy conditions, the trick is to keep them from engaging unless
> you are under a couple miles/hour. Once ditched a !@#$ Impala with
> a locker rear end by getting stupid on a city street at only about
> 10mph.
> >
> > Colorado cops practice winter driving on a frozen lake by Georgetown. It is
> > a lot of fun to watch them. If you can find an empty snow covered parking
> > lot or a lake (better be cold though!) to practice on then you will feel a
> > lot better from the practice. Remember to turn your wheels in the direction
> > of the skid...
>
> ...and tape a raw egg under your gas and brake foot. Trick to
> driving on ice/snow is to do nothing fast. Bummer, but in a lot
> of cities any more practicing your ice driving skills will get
> you busted. Dunno how dads teach kids any more unless there is
> a good frozen lake nearby.

Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Will Honea

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:58:03 UTC Lon Stowell
<LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:

> Approximately 11/20/03 11:48, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Excellent advice. It is true that open differentials in four wheel drive
> > setting and systems like Selectrac, Quadratrac, etc. will let you drive
> > faster on snow and ice, heh, but you don't really want to do that. Just
> > slow down and you will be all right.
>
> Yeah, and slowing down can be a bit of a good trick... with none of
> that awd helping a bit. I actually like lockers or limited slip
> in icy conditions, the trick is to keep them from engaging unless
> you are under a couple miles/hour. Once ditched a !@#$ Impala with
> a locker rear end by getting stupid on a city street at only about
> 10mph.
> >
> > Colorado cops practice winter driving on a frozen lake by Georgetown. It is
> > a lot of fun to watch them. If you can find an empty snow covered parking
> > lot or a lake (better be cold though!) to practice on then you will feel a
> > lot better from the practice. Remember to turn your wheels in the direction
> > of the skid...
>
> ...and tape a raw egg under your gas and brake foot. Trick to
> driving on ice/snow is to do nothing fast. Bummer, but in a lot
> of cities any more practicing your ice driving skills will get
> you busted. Dunno how dads teach kids any more unless there is
> a good frozen lake nearby.

Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Will Honea

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:58:03 UTC Lon Stowell
<LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:

> Approximately 11/20/03 11:48, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Excellent advice. It is true that open differentials in four wheel drive
> > setting and systems like Selectrac, Quadratrac, etc. will let you drive
> > faster on snow and ice, heh, but you don't really want to do that. Just
> > slow down and you will be all right.
>
> Yeah, and slowing down can be a bit of a good trick... with none of
> that awd helping a bit. I actually like lockers or limited slip
> in icy conditions, the trick is to keep them from engaging unless
> you are under a couple miles/hour. Once ditched a !@#$ Impala with
> a locker rear end by getting stupid on a city street at only about
> 10mph.
> >
> > Colorado cops practice winter driving on a frozen lake by Georgetown. It is
> > a lot of fun to watch them. If you can find an empty snow covered parking
> > lot or a lake (better be cold though!) to practice on then you will feel a
> > lot better from the practice. Remember to turn your wheels in the direction
> > of the skid...
>
> ...and tape a raw egg under your gas and brake foot. Trick to
> driving on ice/snow is to do nothing fast. Bummer, but in a lot
> of cities any more practicing your ice driving skills will get
> you busted. Dunno how dads teach kids any more unless there is
> a good frozen lake nearby.

Just a word of caution about using the parking lot: do some scouting
and make sure you don't pick one with those damned blocks in the
parking slots. Boy, do they every mess up a good broad slide!

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>