The big chill...
#21
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Re: The big chill...
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Approximately 11/20/03 11:48, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Excellent advice. It is true that open differentials in four wheel drive
> > setting and systems like Selectrac, Quadratrac, etc. will let you drive
> > faster on snow and ice, heh, but you don't really want to do that. Just
> > slow down and you will be all right.
>
> Yeah, and slowing down can be a bit of a good trick... with none of
> that awd helping a bit. I actually like lockers or limited slip
> in icy conditions, the trick is to keep them from engaging unless
> you are under a couple miles/hour. Once ditched a !@#$ Impala with
> a locker rear end by getting stupid on a city street at only about
> 10mph.
> >
> > Colorado cops practice winter driving on a frozen lake by Georgetown. It is
> > a lot of fun to watch them. If you can find an empty snow covered parking
> > lot or a lake (better be cold though!) to practice on then you will feel a
> > lot better from the practice. Remember to turn your wheels in the direction
> > of the skid...
>
> ...and tape a raw egg under your gas and brake foot. Trick to
> driving on ice/snow is to do nothing fast. Bummer, but in a lot
> of cities any more practicing your ice driving skills will get
> you busted. Dunno how dads teach kids any more unless there is
> a good frozen lake nearby.
>
> --
I still do that with every new vehicle and I highly recommend to anyone
to find an empty parking lot and go nuts come first snow.
I have attracted the attention of the police on occasion also.
When they pulled up I told them I was checking out how a 'new to me'
vehicle handled under skid and fast turn situations in the snow, they
said 'great, we wish more folks would do that'.
I was even a teen the first time they saw me doing that, still no issues
except a warning about 'stunting' being an offense but they liked what I
was doing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Approximately 11/20/03 11:48, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Excellent advice. It is true that open differentials in four wheel drive
> > setting and systems like Selectrac, Quadratrac, etc. will let you drive
> > faster on snow and ice, heh, but you don't really want to do that. Just
> > slow down and you will be all right.
>
> Yeah, and slowing down can be a bit of a good trick... with none of
> that awd helping a bit. I actually like lockers or limited slip
> in icy conditions, the trick is to keep them from engaging unless
> you are under a couple miles/hour. Once ditched a !@#$ Impala with
> a locker rear end by getting stupid on a city street at only about
> 10mph.
> >
> > Colorado cops practice winter driving on a frozen lake by Georgetown. It is
> > a lot of fun to watch them. If you can find an empty snow covered parking
> > lot or a lake (better be cold though!) to practice on then you will feel a
> > lot better from the practice. Remember to turn your wheels in the direction
> > of the skid...
>
> ...and tape a raw egg under your gas and brake foot. Trick to
> driving on ice/snow is to do nothing fast. Bummer, but in a lot
> of cities any more practicing your ice driving skills will get
> you busted. Dunno how dads teach kids any more unless there is
> a good frozen lake nearby.
>
> --
I still do that with every new vehicle and I highly recommend to anyone
to find an empty parking lot and go nuts come first snow.
I have attracted the attention of the police on occasion also.
When they pulled up I told them I was checking out how a 'new to me'
vehicle handled under skid and fast turn situations in the snow, they
said 'great, we wish more folks would do that'.
I was even a teen the first time they saw me doing that, still no issues
except a warning about 'stunting' being an offense but they liked what I
was doing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: The big chill...
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Approximately 11/20/03 11:48, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Excellent advice. It is true that open differentials in four wheel drive
> > setting and systems like Selectrac, Quadratrac, etc. will let you drive
> > faster on snow and ice, heh, but you don't really want to do that. Just
> > slow down and you will be all right.
>
> Yeah, and slowing down can be a bit of a good trick... with none of
> that awd helping a bit. I actually like lockers or limited slip
> in icy conditions, the trick is to keep them from engaging unless
> you are under a couple miles/hour. Once ditched a !@#$ Impala with
> a locker rear end by getting stupid on a city street at only about
> 10mph.
> >
> > Colorado cops practice winter driving on a frozen lake by Georgetown. It is
> > a lot of fun to watch them. If you can find an empty snow covered parking
> > lot or a lake (better be cold though!) to practice on then you will feel a
> > lot better from the practice. Remember to turn your wheels in the direction
> > of the skid...
>
> ...and tape a raw egg under your gas and brake foot. Trick to
> driving on ice/snow is to do nothing fast. Bummer, but in a lot
> of cities any more practicing your ice driving skills will get
> you busted. Dunno how dads teach kids any more unless there is
> a good frozen lake nearby.
>
> --
I still do that with every new vehicle and I highly recommend to anyone
to find an empty parking lot and go nuts come first snow.
I have attracted the attention of the police on occasion also.
When they pulled up I told them I was checking out how a 'new to me'
vehicle handled under skid and fast turn situations in the snow, they
said 'great, we wish more folks would do that'.
I was even a teen the first time they saw me doing that, still no issues
except a warning about 'stunting' being an offense but they liked what I
was doing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Approximately 11/20/03 11:48, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Excellent advice. It is true that open differentials in four wheel drive
> > setting and systems like Selectrac, Quadratrac, etc. will let you drive
> > faster on snow and ice, heh, but you don't really want to do that. Just
> > slow down and you will be all right.
>
> Yeah, and slowing down can be a bit of a good trick... with none of
> that awd helping a bit. I actually like lockers or limited slip
> in icy conditions, the trick is to keep them from engaging unless
> you are under a couple miles/hour. Once ditched a !@#$ Impala with
> a locker rear end by getting stupid on a city street at only about
> 10mph.
> >
> > Colorado cops practice winter driving on a frozen lake by Georgetown. It is
> > a lot of fun to watch them. If you can find an empty snow covered parking
> > lot or a lake (better be cold though!) to practice on then you will feel a
> > lot better from the practice. Remember to turn your wheels in the direction
> > of the skid...
>
> ...and tape a raw egg under your gas and brake foot. Trick to
> driving on ice/snow is to do nothing fast. Bummer, but in a lot
> of cities any more practicing your ice driving skills will get
> you busted. Dunno how dads teach kids any more unless there is
> a good frozen lake nearby.
>
> --
I still do that with every new vehicle and I highly recommend to anyone
to find an empty parking lot and go nuts come first snow.
I have attracted the attention of the police on occasion also.
When they pulled up I told them I was checking out how a 'new to me'
vehicle handled under skid and fast turn situations in the snow, they
said 'great, we wish more folks would do that'.
I was even a teen the first time they saw me doing that, still no issues
except a warning about 'stunting' being an offense but they liked what I
was doing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: The big chill...
Tomes did pass the time by typing:
> I remember long ago in driver's education in high school that my instructor
> took us out to a frozen parking lot and made us get in trouble so we could
> get out of it. It grounded me for life in that I do things automatically
> now that others need to think about first. Therefore I agree with the
> concept of practicing a lot, especially in a Jeep. Once you get the hang of
> it it can be lots of fun under the right circumstances.
> Cheers!
That mirrors the best advice given to me back when I belonged to SCCA. We had
the good luck of being able to use an old drivers ed course. Complete with skid
pan. :)
When we get a good coating of ice or snow I hit the local shopping centers
parking lot and do donuts and evasive moves. Been stopped twice by the police,
both times they just told me to be careful and that they wished more folks would
learn how to drive. Last time they also asked me to give them a hand pulling
another squad car out of the ditch.
Actually for having no lockers and the open quadratrack diff it was surprisingly
easy. Didn't even need to use the poor-man's locker. (e-brake)
> I remember long ago in driver's education in high school that my instructor
> took us out to a frozen parking lot and made us get in trouble so we could
> get out of it. It grounded me for life in that I do things automatically
> now that others need to think about first. Therefore I agree with the
> concept of practicing a lot, especially in a Jeep. Once you get the hang of
> it it can be lots of fun under the right circumstances.
> Cheers!
That mirrors the best advice given to me back when I belonged to SCCA. We had
the good luck of being able to use an old drivers ed course. Complete with skid
pan. :)
When we get a good coating of ice or snow I hit the local shopping centers
parking lot and do donuts and evasive moves. Been stopped twice by the police,
both times they just told me to be careful and that they wished more folks would
learn how to drive. Last time they also asked me to give them a hand pulling
another squad car out of the ditch.
Actually for having no lockers and the open quadratrack diff it was surprisingly
easy. Didn't even need to use the poor-man's locker. (e-brake)
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Re: The big chill...
Tomes did pass the time by typing:
> I remember long ago in driver's education in high school that my instructor
> took us out to a frozen parking lot and made us get in trouble so we could
> get out of it. It grounded me for life in that I do things automatically
> now that others need to think about first. Therefore I agree with the
> concept of practicing a lot, especially in a Jeep. Once you get the hang of
> it it can be lots of fun under the right circumstances.
> Cheers!
That mirrors the best advice given to me back when I belonged to SCCA. We had
the good luck of being able to use an old drivers ed course. Complete with skid
pan. :)
When we get a good coating of ice or snow I hit the local shopping centers
parking lot and do donuts and evasive moves. Been stopped twice by the police,
both times they just told me to be careful and that they wished more folks would
learn how to drive. Last time they also asked me to give them a hand pulling
another squad car out of the ditch.
Actually for having no lockers and the open quadratrack diff it was surprisingly
easy. Didn't even need to use the poor-man's locker. (e-brake)
> I remember long ago in driver's education in high school that my instructor
> took us out to a frozen parking lot and made us get in trouble so we could
> get out of it. It grounded me for life in that I do things automatically
> now that others need to think about first. Therefore I agree with the
> concept of practicing a lot, especially in a Jeep. Once you get the hang of
> it it can be lots of fun under the right circumstances.
> Cheers!
That mirrors the best advice given to me back when I belonged to SCCA. We had
the good luck of being able to use an old drivers ed course. Complete with skid
pan. :)
When we get a good coating of ice or snow I hit the local shopping centers
parking lot and do donuts and evasive moves. Been stopped twice by the police,
both times they just told me to be careful and that they wished more folks would
learn how to drive. Last time they also asked me to give them a hand pulling
another squad car out of the ditch.
Actually for having no lockers and the open quadratrack diff it was surprisingly
easy. Didn't even need to use the poor-man's locker. (e-brake)
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Re: The big chill...
Tomes did pass the time by typing:
> I remember long ago in driver's education in high school that my instructor
> took us out to a frozen parking lot and made us get in trouble so we could
> get out of it. It grounded me for life in that I do things automatically
> now that others need to think about first. Therefore I agree with the
> concept of practicing a lot, especially in a Jeep. Once you get the hang of
> it it can be lots of fun under the right circumstances.
> Cheers!
That mirrors the best advice given to me back when I belonged to SCCA. We had
the good luck of being able to use an old drivers ed course. Complete with skid
pan. :)
When we get a good coating of ice or snow I hit the local shopping centers
parking lot and do donuts and evasive moves. Been stopped twice by the police,
both times they just told me to be careful and that they wished more folks would
learn how to drive. Last time they also asked me to give them a hand pulling
another squad car out of the ditch.
Actually for having no lockers and the open quadratrack diff it was surprisingly
easy. Didn't even need to use the poor-man's locker. (e-brake)
> I remember long ago in driver's education in high school that my instructor
> took us out to a frozen parking lot and made us get in trouble so we could
> get out of it. It grounded me for life in that I do things automatically
> now that others need to think about first. Therefore I agree with the
> concept of practicing a lot, especially in a Jeep. Once you get the hang of
> it it can be lots of fun under the right circumstances.
> Cheers!
That mirrors the best advice given to me back when I belonged to SCCA. We had
the good luck of being able to use an old drivers ed course. Complete with skid
pan. :)
When we get a good coating of ice or snow I hit the local shopping centers
parking lot and do donuts and evasive moves. Been stopped twice by the police,
both times they just told me to be careful and that they wished more folks would
learn how to drive. Last time they also asked me to give them a hand pulling
another squad car out of the ditch.
Actually for having no lockers and the open quadratrack diff it was surprisingly
easy. Didn't even need to use the poor-man's locker. (e-brake)
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Re: The big chill...
sm3gurpal did pass the time by typing:
> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
4WD will get you going faster than 2WD, but your going to
stop the same as any other vehicle. Drive slow and avoid
sudden changes in speed or direction.
> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
4WD will get you going faster than 2WD, but your going to
stop the same as any other vehicle. Drive slow and avoid
sudden changes in speed or direction.
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Re: The big chill...
sm3gurpal did pass the time by typing:
> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
4WD will get you going faster than 2WD, but your going to
stop the same as any other vehicle. Drive slow and avoid
sudden changes in speed or direction.
> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
4WD will get you going faster than 2WD, but your going to
stop the same as any other vehicle. Drive slow and avoid
sudden changes in speed or direction.
#28
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Re: The big chill...
sm3gurpal did pass the time by typing:
> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
4WD will get you going faster than 2WD, but your going to
stop the same as any other vehicle. Drive slow and avoid
sudden changes in speed or direction.
> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
4WD will get you going faster than 2WD, but your going to
stop the same as any other vehicle. Drive slow and avoid
sudden changes in speed or direction.
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Re: The big chill...
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:48:19 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>The low side of the road....
>
>A locker helps starting out, but once moving an open diff tracks
>straighter. If both wheels spin, it will go sideways 'really' fast.
>With the open diff and one wheel spinning, the other wheel acts like a
>rudder to keep it going straight.
>
>Also on corners at intersections if you are in 4x4 it might just plain
>want to go straight. Mine does and I have open diffs even. I have
>gotten into the habit of dropping to 2 wheel drive if I plan on making a
>left at an intersection. I then drop back to 4x4 once going straight
>again.
>
>You also might want to upgrade the heater blower motor. The stock one
>will not defrost the windshield. Period. You will need a scraper in
>one hand to see. I went with the bigger blower and all the windows will
>clear now. It puts out more on low than the stock one did on high.
>
>It is not a difficult swap. A motor out of a 73 full sized Blazer with
>a 350 and AC fits right in and the fan fits right on it. You just have
>to trim the hole in the firewall a bit bigger to clear it. Here is a
>link on that mod:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/body/heater.html
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
OK, the original poster didn't say if he had manual locking hubs up
front or not, but if he does and he isn't in 4WD then the locker up
front wouldn't have any effect at all on his driving, right? And the
locker in the rear is a manually controlled air locker so as long as
he didn't engage that it also wouldn't have any effect at all on his
driving, right?
>
>sm3gurpal wrote:
>>
>> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
>> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
>> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
>> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
>> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
>> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
--
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The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>The low side of the road....
>
>A locker helps starting out, but once moving an open diff tracks
>straighter. If both wheels spin, it will go sideways 'really' fast.
>With the open diff and one wheel spinning, the other wheel acts like a
>rudder to keep it going straight.
>
>Also on corners at intersections if you are in 4x4 it might just plain
>want to go straight. Mine does and I have open diffs even. I have
>gotten into the habit of dropping to 2 wheel drive if I plan on making a
>left at an intersection. I then drop back to 4x4 once going straight
>again.
>
>You also might want to upgrade the heater blower motor. The stock one
>will not defrost the windshield. Period. You will need a scraper in
>one hand to see. I went with the bigger blower and all the windows will
>clear now. It puts out more on low than the stock one did on high.
>
>It is not a difficult swap. A motor out of a 73 full sized Blazer with
>a 350 and AC fits right in and the fan fits right on it. You just have
>to trim the hole in the firewall a bit bigger to clear it. Here is a
>link on that mod:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/body/heater.html
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
OK, the original poster didn't say if he had manual locking hubs up
front or not, but if he does and he isn't in 4WD then the locker up
front wouldn't have any effect at all on his driving, right? And the
locker in the rear is a manually controlled air locker so as long as
he didn't engage that it also wouldn't have any effect at all on his
driving, right?
>
>sm3gurpal wrote:
>>
>> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
>> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
>> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
>> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
>> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
>> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!
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Re: The big chill...
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:48:19 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>The low side of the road....
>
>A locker helps starting out, but once moving an open diff tracks
>straighter. If both wheels spin, it will go sideways 'really' fast.
>With the open diff and one wheel spinning, the other wheel acts like a
>rudder to keep it going straight.
>
>Also on corners at intersections if you are in 4x4 it might just plain
>want to go straight. Mine does and I have open diffs even. I have
>gotten into the habit of dropping to 2 wheel drive if I plan on making a
>left at an intersection. I then drop back to 4x4 once going straight
>again.
>
>You also might want to upgrade the heater blower motor. The stock one
>will not defrost the windshield. Period. You will need a scraper in
>one hand to see. I went with the bigger blower and all the windows will
>clear now. It puts out more on low than the stock one did on high.
>
>It is not a difficult swap. A motor out of a 73 full sized Blazer with
>a 350 and AC fits right in and the fan fits right on it. You just have
>to trim the hole in the firewall a bit bigger to clear it. Here is a
>link on that mod:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/body/heater.html
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
OK, the original poster didn't say if he had manual locking hubs up
front or not, but if he does and he isn't in 4WD then the locker up
front wouldn't have any effect at all on his driving, right? And the
locker in the rear is a manually controlled air locker so as long as
he didn't engage that it also wouldn't have any effect at all on his
driving, right?
>
>sm3gurpal wrote:
>>
>> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
>> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
>> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
>> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
>> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
>> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>The low side of the road....
>
>A locker helps starting out, but once moving an open diff tracks
>straighter. If both wheels spin, it will go sideways 'really' fast.
>With the open diff and one wheel spinning, the other wheel acts like a
>rudder to keep it going straight.
>
>Also on corners at intersections if you are in 4x4 it might just plain
>want to go straight. Mine does and I have open diffs even. I have
>gotten into the habit of dropping to 2 wheel drive if I plan on making a
>left at an intersection. I then drop back to 4x4 once going straight
>again.
>
>You also might want to upgrade the heater blower motor. The stock one
>will not defrost the windshield. Period. You will need a scraper in
>one hand to see. I went with the bigger blower and all the windows will
>clear now. It puts out more on low than the stock one did on high.
>
>It is not a difficult swap. A motor out of a 73 full sized Blazer with
>a 350 and AC fits right in and the fan fits right on it. You just have
>to trim the hole in the firewall a bit bigger to clear it. Here is a
>link on that mod:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/body/heater.html
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
OK, the original poster didn't say if he had manual locking hubs up
front or not, but if he does and he isn't in 4WD then the locker up
front wouldn't have any effect at all on his driving, right? And the
locker in the rear is a manually controlled air locker so as long as
he didn't engage that it also wouldn't have any effect at all on his
driving, right?
>
>sm3gurpal wrote:
>>
>> I am moving from down south the frozen wasteland otherwise known as
>> the northeastern US. I drive a CJ with automatic KC locker up front
>> and manually controlled air locker in the back. I have heard that
>> lockers aren't the best for driving on snow and ice but it's too late
>> to change it now. Just wondering, what do I need to know and be on
>> the look out for when driving in snow and ice with this vehicle?
--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!