BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
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Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could get
up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
"MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
> of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
> at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
makeup
> for ineptitude.
>
> ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> concentration.
>
> Put the burger down...
> shut off the phone...
> turn off that dammed music...
> quit running a rolling day-care...
> and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
> you.
>
>
> "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > > rear tires when only one locks.
> >
> > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> >
> > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > bias.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
>
>
up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
"MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
> of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
> at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
makeup
> for ineptitude.
>
> ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> concentration.
>
> Put the burger down...
> shut off the phone...
> turn off that dammed music...
> quit running a rolling day-care...
> and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
> you.
>
>
> "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > > rear tires when only one locks.
> >
> > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> >
> > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > bias.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
>
>
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Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could get
up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
"MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
> of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
> at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
makeup
> for ineptitude.
>
> ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> concentration.
>
> Put the burger down...
> shut off the phone...
> turn off that dammed music...
> quit running a rolling day-care...
> and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
> you.
>
>
> "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > > rear tires when only one locks.
> >
> > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> >
> > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > bias.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
>
>
up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
"MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
> of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
> at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
makeup
> for ineptitude.
>
> ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> concentration.
>
> Put the burger down...
> shut off the phone...
> turn off that dammed music...
> quit running a rolling day-care...
> and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
> you.
>
>
> "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > > rear tires when only one locks.
> >
> > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> >
> > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > bias.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
>
>
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Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could get
up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
"MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
> of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
> at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
makeup
> for ineptitude.
>
> ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> concentration.
>
> Put the burger down...
> shut off the phone...
> turn off that dammed music...
> quit running a rolling day-care...
> and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
> you.
>
>
> "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > > rear tires when only one locks.
> >
> > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> >
> > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > bias.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
>
>
up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
"MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
> of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
> at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
makeup
> for ineptitude.
>
> ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> concentration.
>
> Put the burger down...
> shut off the phone...
> turn off that dammed music...
> quit running a rolling day-care...
> and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
> you.
>
>
> "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > > rear tires when only one locks.
> >
> > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> >
> > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > bias.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
>
>
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Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
Lemme add ... 4 channel ABS (Subaru). No opinion on all those alternate
kludges :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:iS5Eb.74502$ea%.47974@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could
get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied,
just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too
easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter
the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
>
>
> "MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not
capable
> > of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking
all
> > at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
> makeup
> > for ineptitude.
> >
> > ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> > actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> > trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> > concentration.
> >
> > Put the burger down...
> > shut off the phone...
> > turn off that dammed music...
> > quit running a rolling day-care...
> > and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it
for
> > you.
> >
> >
> > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on
slalom
> > > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release
both
> > > > rear tires when only one locks.
> > >
> > > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS,
like
> > > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally
release
> > > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid
pressure
> > > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS
does
> > > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate
the
> > > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and
you
> > > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and
are
> > > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who
can't
> > > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > > bias.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
> >
>
>
kludges :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:iS5Eb.74502$ea%.47974@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could
get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied,
just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too
easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter
the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
>
>
> "MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not
capable
> > of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking
all
> > at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
> makeup
> > for ineptitude.
> >
> > ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> > actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> > trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> > concentration.
> >
> > Put the burger down...
> > shut off the phone...
> > turn off that dammed music...
> > quit running a rolling day-care...
> > and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it
for
> > you.
> >
> >
> > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on
slalom
> > > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release
both
> > > > rear tires when only one locks.
> > >
> > > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS,
like
> > > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally
release
> > > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid
pressure
> > > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS
does
> > > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate
the
> > > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and
you
> > > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and
are
> > > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who
can't
> > > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > > bias.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
Lemme add ... 4 channel ABS (Subaru). No opinion on all those alternate
kludges :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:iS5Eb.74502$ea%.47974@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could
get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied,
just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too
easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter
the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
>
>
> "MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not
capable
> > of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking
all
> > at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
> makeup
> > for ineptitude.
> >
> > ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> > actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> > trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> > concentration.
> >
> > Put the burger down...
> > shut off the phone...
> > turn off that dammed music...
> > quit running a rolling day-care...
> > and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it
for
> > you.
> >
> >
> > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on
slalom
> > > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release
both
> > > > rear tires when only one locks.
> > >
> > > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS,
like
> > > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally
release
> > > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid
pressure
> > > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS
does
> > > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate
the
> > > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and
you
> > > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and
are
> > > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who
can't
> > > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > > bias.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
> >
>
>
kludges :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:iS5Eb.74502$ea%.47974@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could
get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied,
just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too
easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter
the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
>
>
> "MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not
capable
> > of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking
all
> > at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
> makeup
> > for ineptitude.
> >
> > ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> > actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> > trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> > concentration.
> >
> > Put the burger down...
> > shut off the phone...
> > turn off that dammed music...
> > quit running a rolling day-care...
> > and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it
for
> > you.
> >
> >
> > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on
slalom
> > > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release
both
> > > > rear tires when only one locks.
> > >
> > > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS,
like
> > > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally
release
> > > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid
pressure
> > > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS
does
> > > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate
the
> > > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and
you
> > > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and
are
> > > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who
can't
> > > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > > bias.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
Lemme add ... 4 channel ABS (Subaru). No opinion on all those alternate
kludges :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:iS5Eb.74502$ea%.47974@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could
get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied,
just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too
easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter
the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
>
>
> "MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not
capable
> > of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking
all
> > at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
> makeup
> > for ineptitude.
> >
> > ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> > actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> > trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> > concentration.
> >
> > Put the burger down...
> > shut off the phone...
> > turn off that dammed music...
> > quit running a rolling day-care...
> > and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it
for
> > you.
> >
> >
> > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on
slalom
> > > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release
both
> > > > rear tires when only one locks.
> > >
> > > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS,
like
> > > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally
release
> > > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid
pressure
> > > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS
does
> > > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate
the
> > > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and
you
> > > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and
are
> > > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who
can't
> > > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > > bias.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
> >
>
>
kludges :-)
"bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:iS5Eb.74502$ea%.47974@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could
get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied,
just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too
easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter
the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
>
>
> "MacIntosh" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:3fdfef25_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not
capable
> > of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking
all
> > at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not
> makeup
> > for ineptitude.
> >
> > ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> > actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> > trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> > concentration.
> >
> > Put the burger down...
> > shut off the phone...
> > turn off that dammed music...
> > quit running a rolling day-care...
> > and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it
for
> > you.
> >
> >
> > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on
slalom
> > > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release
both
> > > > rear tires when only one locks.
> > >
> > > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS,
like
> > > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally
release
> > > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid
pressure
> > > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS
does
> > > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate
the
> > > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and
you
> > > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and
are
> > > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who
can't
> > > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > > bias.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
You'd better learn to steer and avoid the faster stopping cars
without ABS, one of them may be me!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bowgus wrote:
>
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
without ABS, one of them may be me!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bowgus wrote:
>
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
You'd better learn to steer and avoid the faster stopping cars
without ABS, one of them may be me!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bowgus wrote:
>
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
without ABS, one of them may be me!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bowgus wrote:
>
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
You'd better learn to steer and avoid the faster stopping cars
without ABS, one of them may be me!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bowgus wrote:
>
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
without ABS, one of them may be me!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bowgus wrote:
>
> Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could get
> up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied, just
> steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too easy.
> So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer or
> two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter the
> skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: BIG 4 SUED FOR ABS STOPPING DISTANCES!
My point exactly ... you just wait there ... stopped ... on the freeway ...
and I'll just steer around and go on ahead ... a heads up, there's an 18
wheeler on my tail :-)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FE0F356.8F5FB09F@***.net...
> You'd better learn to steer and avoid the faster stopping cars
> without ABS, one of them may be me!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> bowgus wrote:
> >
> > Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could
get
> > up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied,
just
> > steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too
easy.
> > So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer
or
> > two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter
the
> > skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
and I'll just steer around and go on ahead ... a heads up, there's an 18
wheeler on my tail :-)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FE0F356.8F5FB09F@***.net...
> You'd better learn to steer and avoid the faster stopping cars
> without ABS, one of them may be me!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> bowgus wrote:
> >
> > Well ... what I demoed to my son in a snowy parking lot is that I could
get
> > up to speed, slam on the brakes, and with the ABS brakes fully applied,
just
> > steer wherever I needed to ... left .... right ... no problem ... too
easy.
> > So picture yourself at highway speed on a snowy or wet road and a deer
or
> > two coming out of the ditch ... ABS makes collision avoidance, no matter
the
> > skill level of the driver, much much easier ... my opinion.
