On 12 Dec 2003 11:38 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> It is the statistics compile by our United States Department of
> Transportation that blame the mechanism:
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...te/808206.html

Correlation does not imply causality.

> I know how mechanical things work, it is pure physics, judging by
> your ABS explanations you obviously don't!

It is obvious that you are an idiot without a clue about the physics
involved, or statistical analysis for that matter. There isn't much
point to continuing this discussion.

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It is obvious that you are an idiot without a clue about the physics
involved, or statistical analysis for that matter. There isn't much
point to continuing this discussion.
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Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> It is obvious that you are an idiot without a clue about the physics
> involved, or statistical analysis for that matter. There isn't much
> point to continuing this discussion.
>
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It is obvious that you are an idiot without a clue about the physics
involved, or statistical analysis for that matter. There isn't much
point to continuing this discussion.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> It is obvious that you are an idiot without a clue about the physics
> involved, or statistical analysis for that matter. There isn't much
> point to continuing this discussion.
>
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> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
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It is obvious that you are an idiot without a clue about the physics
involved, or statistical analysis for that matter. There isn't much
point to continuing this discussion.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> It is obvious that you are an idiot without a clue about the physics
> involved, or statistical analysis for that matter. There isn't much
> point to continuing this discussion.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
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> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
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ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not makeup
for ineptitude.

ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
concentration.

Put the burger down...
shut off the phone...
turn off that dammed music...
quit running a rolling day-care...
and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
you.


"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > rear tires when only one locks.
>
> What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> while driving, as the ABS system can.
>
> Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> bias.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not makeup
for ineptitude.

ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
concentration.

Put the burger down...
shut off the phone...
turn off that dammed music...
quit running a rolling day-care...
and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
you.


"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > rear tires when only one locks.
>
> What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> while driving, as the ABS system can.
>
> Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> bias.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not makeup
for ineptitude.

ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
concentration.

Put the burger down...
shut off the phone...
turn off that dammed music...
quit running a rolling day-care...
and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
you.


"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > rear tires when only one locks.
>
> What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> while driving, as the ABS system can.
>
> Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> bias.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

Our local newspaper did a big article on ABS brakes and they said the
same as you and I and Bill have been saying.

'When ABS first appeared they were mistakenly promoted as reducing
stopping distances. They didn't.'

Then they say with the 'new' computers, the 'new' ABS can 'generally'
out brake the best of drivers.

LOL!

I think that about sums it up....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

MacIntosh wrote:
>
> ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
> of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
> at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not makeup
> for ineptitude.
>
> ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> concentration.
>
> Put the burger down...
> shut off the phone...
> turn off that dammed music...
> quit running a rolling day-care...
> and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
> you.
>
> "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > > rear tires when only one locks.
> >
> > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> >
> > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > bias.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

Our local newspaper did a big article on ABS brakes and they said the
same as you and I and Bill have been saying.

'When ABS first appeared they were mistakenly promoted as reducing
stopping distances. They didn't.'

Then they say with the 'new' computers, the 'new' ABS can 'generally'
out brake the best of drivers.

LOL!

I think that about sums it up....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

MacIntosh wrote:
>
> ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
> of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
> at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not makeup
> for ineptitude.
>
> ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> concentration.
>
> Put the burger down...
> shut off the phone...
> turn off that dammed music...
> quit running a rolling day-care...
> and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
> you.
>
> "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > > rear tires when only one locks.
> >
> > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> >
> > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > bias.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

Our local newspaper did a big article on ABS brakes and they said the
same as you and I and Bill have been saying.

'When ABS first appeared they were mistakenly promoted as reducing
stopping distances. They didn't.'

Then they say with the 'new' computers, the 'new' ABS can 'generally'
out brake the best of drivers.

LOL!

I think that about sums it up....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

MacIntosh wrote:
>
> ABS is a joke intended to makeup for the fact most drivers are not capable
> of eating a whopper, dialling a cell phone, reading a map, and braking all
> at the same time. Maybe it's time to realise that technology can not makeup
> for ineptitude.
>
> ABS levels are well below the "ultimate traction" (like that condition
> actually exists). they make up, and then only poorly, for inadequately
> trained drivers who are driving beyond their ability, or level of
> concentration.
>
> Put the burger down...
> shut off the phone...
> turn off that dammed music...
> quit running a rolling day-care...
> and pay attention to the task at hand, technology isn't going to do it for
> you.
>
> "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> news:20031212102029349-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> > On 12 Dec 2003 08:22 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> > > It is you that don't understand! Maybe, you could understand a
> > > tire accelerating a vehicle, of course if you light them up and melt
> > > the rubber there will no traction, but if you accurate hard,
> > > transferring the weight on the tires, the tire will make a roar as
> > > they just barley slipping then the rubber isn't melting but at
> > > ultimate traction, same while stop, with same roar you hear on slalom
> > > type sports car racing. Understand now? Then there's Jeep's idea of
> > > ABS, which you waltzed around the correct answer, the last time I
> > > asked you, when you have to have known it will completely release both
> > > rear tires when only one locks.
> >
> > What you don't understand, is that the whole point of ABS is that it
> > will hold the tires at that point of ultimate traction with better
> > consistency than any but a few highly skilled drivers. Jeep's ABS, like
> > any other correctly set up 4 wheel ABS system, will NOT totally release
> > the pressure to the rear wheels when one starts to lock, it will
> > REGULATE (or modulate, pick whichever word you like) the fluid pressure
> > sent to the rear wheels to keep them them from locking up. The ABS does
> > the same thing that a good driver can do, except that as a driver you
> > can only control the overall system pressure, and not pick and choose
> > how much pressure goes to the left front vs. the right front or to the
> > rear axle. So what if Jeep's particular style of ABS can't modulate the
> > rear wheels independently? You as a driver can't do that either and you
> > also can't change the bias front to rear or side to side on the fronts
> > while driving, as the ABS system can.
> >
> > Bottom line, the system works for those of us who understand it and are
> > willing to turn over the control to the machine. Those of you who can't
> > or won't do that, shouldn't drive vehicles equipped with ABS, but that
> > is no justification for incorrectly blaming the mechanism for your own
> > bias.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/