My baby needs new shoes too, so during the Moab Easter Jeep safari I watched how
well the different tires behaved on the slick rock. The MT/R's were universally
better than the BFG MT's. On every obstacle I could tell which Jeeps had MT/R's
vs anything else by how they went up, down or across the obstacle. The MT/R's
were better on dry slick rock, wet slick rock, and mud. But the MT/R owners did
mention that they seemed to be getting torn up and wearing faster than the other
tires.

If the BFG MT's wear as well as my BFG AT's, 40,000+ miles and probably another
10,000 to go, the BFG MT's might be your best choice.

Dean
That said I'm buying the MT/R's. They were THAT much better on the rocks.


On 09 Jun 2004 08:50:12 GMT, handywired@aol.com (Handywired) wrote:

>Size will most likely be 31's, vehicle is a '97 TJ 4.0L. Gearing 4.10. I want
>an aggressive tire that wears well on-road, is not obnoxiously noisy, and works
>great in slick mud and wet snow. Which is better?
>
>-jeff

 

> If you
>have not built up your jeep you could go for the 31 BFG ATs. Once you
>build it up then you can put on the 33 muds. (Plus the lift, slip
>yoke, wider flares, regear .... $$$ ching ching!)

Thanks for the reply!

I have already regeared to 4.10, and had 'em put True-Tracks front and
rear. However, I don't intend to lift it for a couple years as it is a daily
driver that is used by my wife quite a bit when I commute in the other car
(Volvo). I drive a lot on road but I do get if offroad quite a bit too.

I have 30" BFG AT's on there now, and I have no complaints. They did pretty
good when we got hammered hard by snow up at elk camp. However, it bugs me
that they (the AT's) are not much good in slimy mud, of which we have plenty in
Western Oregon! And 31's would be a better match for my gearing until I lift
it, etc.

Sp that's the thinking behind the whole thing...

-jeff

 

> If you
>have not built up your jeep you could go for the 31 BFG ATs. Once you
>build it up then you can put on the 33 muds. (Plus the lift, slip
>yoke, wider flares, regear .... $$$ ching ching!)

Thanks for the reply!

I have already regeared to 4.10, and had 'em put True-Tracks front and
rear. However, I don't intend to lift it for a couple years as it is a daily
driver that is used by my wife quite a bit when I commute in the other car
(Volvo). I drive a lot on road but I do get if offroad quite a bit too.

I have 30" BFG AT's on there now, and I have no complaints. They did pretty
good when we got hammered hard by snow up at elk camp. However, it bugs me
that they (the AT's) are not much good in slimy mud, of which we have plenty in
Western Oregon! And 31's would be a better match for my gearing until I lift
it, etc.

Sp that's the thinking behind the whole thing...

-jeff

 

> If you
>have not built up your jeep you could go for the 31 BFG ATs. Once you
>build it up then you can put on the 33 muds. (Plus the lift, slip
>yoke, wider flares, regear .... $$$ ching ching!)

Thanks for the reply!

I have already regeared to 4.10, and had 'em put True-Tracks front and
rear. However, I don't intend to lift it for a couple years as it is a daily
driver that is used by my wife quite a bit when I commute in the other car
(Volvo). I drive a lot on road but I do get if offroad quite a bit too.

I have 30" BFG AT's on there now, and I have no complaints. They did pretty
good when we got hammered hard by snow up at elk camp. However, it bugs me
that they (the AT's) are not much good in slimy mud, of which we have plenty in
Western Oregon! And 31's would be a better match for my gearing until I lift
it, etc.

Sp that's the thinking behind the whole thing...

-jeff

 

> If you
>have not built up your jeep you could go for the 31 BFG ATs. Once you
>build it up then you can put on the 33 muds. (Plus the lift, slip
>yoke, wider flares, regear .... $$$ ching ching!)

Thanks for the reply!

I have already regeared to 4.10, and had 'em put True-Tracks front and
rear. However, I don't intend to lift it for a couple years as it is a daily
driver that is used by my wife quite a bit when I commute in the other car
(Volvo). I drive a lot on road but I do get if offroad quite a bit too.

I have 30" BFG AT's on there now, and I have no complaints. They did pretty
good when we got hammered hard by snow up at elk camp. However, it bugs me
that they (the AT's) are not much good in slimy mud, of which we have plenty in
Western Oregon! And 31's would be a better match for my gearing until I lift
it, etc.

Sp that's the thinking behind the whole thing...

-jeff

 

I agree that the BFG ATs lack in the mud, but they are a great tire
everywhere else. The BFG MTs will do better in the mud than the GY
MT/Rs. It is a tradeoff, no matter how you slice it. I think the best
compromise in your group here, is the MT/R unless your weekend includes
serious mudding, then it's the BFG MT.

Handywired wrote:

>>If you
>>have not built up your jeep you could go for the 31 BFG ATs. Once you
>>build it up then you can put on the 33 muds. (Plus the lift, slip
>>yoke, wider flares, regear .... $$$ ching ching!)
>
>
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> I have already regeared to 4.10, and had 'em put True-Tracks front and
> rear. However, I don't intend to lift it for a couple years as it is a daily
> driver that is used by my wife quite a bit when I commute in the other car
> (Volvo). I drive a lot on road but I do get if offroad quite a bit too.
>
> I have 30" BFG AT's on there now, and I have no complaints. They did pretty
> good when we got hammered hard by snow up at elk camp. However, it bugs me
> that they (the AT's) are not much good in slimy mud, of which we have plenty in
> Western Oregon! And 31's would be a better match for my gearing until I lift
> it, etc.
>
> Sp that's the thinking behind the whole thing...
>
> -jeff


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I agree that the BFG ATs lack in the mud, but they are a great tire
everywhere else. The BFG MTs will do better in the mud than the GY
MT/Rs. It is a tradeoff, no matter how you slice it. I think the best
compromise in your group here, is the MT/R unless your weekend includes
serious mudding, then it's the BFG MT.

Handywired wrote:

>>If you
>>have not built up your jeep you could go for the 31 BFG ATs. Once you
>>build it up then you can put on the 33 muds. (Plus the lift, slip
>>yoke, wider flares, regear .... $$$ ching ching!)
>
>
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> I have already regeared to 4.10, and had 'em put True-Tracks front and
> rear. However, I don't intend to lift it for a couple years as it is a daily
> driver that is used by my wife quite a bit when I commute in the other car
> (Volvo). I drive a lot on road but I do get if offroad quite a bit too.
>
> I have 30" BFG AT's on there now, and I have no complaints. They did pretty
> good when we got hammered hard by snow up at elk camp. However, it bugs me
> that they (the AT's) are not much good in slimy mud, of which we have plenty in
> Western Oregon! And 31's would be a better match for my gearing until I lift
> it, etc.
>
> Sp that's the thinking behind the whole thing...
>
> -jeff


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tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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I agree that the BFG ATs lack in the mud, but they are a great tire
everywhere else. The BFG MTs will do better in the mud than the GY
MT/Rs. It is a tradeoff, no matter how you slice it. I think the best
compromise in your group here, is the MT/R unless your weekend includes
serious mudding, then it's the BFG MT.

Handywired wrote:

>>If you
>>have not built up your jeep you could go for the 31 BFG ATs. Once you
>>build it up then you can put on the 33 muds. (Plus the lift, slip
>>yoke, wider flares, regear .... $$$ ching ching!)
>
>
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> I have already regeared to 4.10, and had 'em put True-Tracks front and
> rear. However, I don't intend to lift it for a couple years as it is a daily
> driver that is used by my wife quite a bit when I commute in the other car
> (Volvo). I drive a lot on road but I do get if offroad quite a bit too.
>
> I have 30" BFG AT's on there now, and I have no complaints. They did pretty
> good when we got hammered hard by snow up at elk camp. However, it bugs me
> that they (the AT's) are not much good in slimy mud, of which we have plenty in
> Western Oregon! And 31's would be a better match for my gearing until I lift
> it, etc.
>
> Sp that's the thinking behind the whole thing...
>
> -jeff


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__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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I agree that the BFG ATs lack in the mud, but they are a great tire
everywhere else. The BFG MTs will do better in the mud than the GY
MT/Rs. It is a tradeoff, no matter how you slice it. I think the best
compromise in your group here, is the MT/R unless your weekend includes
serious mudding, then it's the BFG MT.

Handywired wrote:

>>If you
>>have not built up your jeep you could go for the 31 BFG ATs. Once you
>>build it up then you can put on the 33 muds. (Plus the lift, slip
>>yoke, wider flares, regear .... $$$ ching ching!)
>
>
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> I have already regeared to 4.10, and had 'em put True-Tracks front and
> rear. However, I don't intend to lift it for a couple years as it is a daily
> driver that is used by my wife quite a bit when I commute in the other car
> (Volvo). I drive a lot on road but I do get if offroad quite a bit too.
>
> I have 30" BFG AT's on there now, and I have no complaints. They did pretty
> good when we got hammered hard by snow up at elk camp. However, it bugs me
> that they (the AT's) are not much good in slimy mud, of which we have plenty in
> Western Oregon! And 31's would be a better match for my gearing until I lift
> it, etc.
>
> Sp that's the thinking behind the whole thing...
>
> -jeff


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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Hi Dean,

Do you recall if any of the BFG MTs were siped? I imagine that siping a
BFG MT would to some extent close the performance gap with the MT/R.

Interesting that MT/Rs outperformed BFG MTs in mud. Would you say that
the difference between the two tires was as dramatic as it was on the
rock? Are we talking deep mud here or just a few inches on top of smooth
rock?

Thanks,

Steve

Dean wrote:
> My baby needs new shoes too, so during the Moab Easter Jeep safari I watched how
> well the different tires behaved on the slick rock. The MT/R's were universally
> better than the BFG MT's. On every obstacle I could tell which Jeeps had MT/R's
> vs anything else by how they went up, down or across the obstacle. The MT/R's
> were better on dry slick rock, wet slick rock, and mud. But the MT/R owners did
> mention that they seemed to be getting torn up and wearing faster than the other
> tires.
>
> If the BFG MT's wear as well as my BFG AT's, 40,000+ miles and probably another
> 10,000 to go, the BFG MT's might be your best choice.
>
> That said I'm buying the MT/R's. They were THAT much better on the rocks.