I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...

I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.

Just a though.....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

RoyJ wrote:
>
> You have my symapthies on the various broken drills and extractors. I
> have done that enough times that my current strategy is to do the "best
> shot" the FIRST time. I know it is tempting to to try and work at an odd
> angle to avoid taking out too many related parts but it is usually a
> false start.
>
> good luck.
>
> Clint wrote:
> > Well, it must be time for a progress report...
> >
> > First, I tried the torch, followed by an extractor. I managed to snap
> > the extractor off in the bolt. *sigh* I think my neighbor jinxed me on
> > that one, cuz he warned me about it.
> >
> > I was able to cut off the bolt and get the remains of the extractor out,
> > so no real harm done, anyway. I followed that up with a titanium coated
> > bit, to try drilling it out. I think I should have used a beefier (or
> > better) bit, as the bit busted off inside. *sigh again*
> >
> > So I picked up some better and bigger bits, and went at it again
> > tonight. First, I had to remove the front of the Jeep, so I could get my
> > drill in there. Turns out to be pretty easy (4 bolts, hidden behind the
> > turn signals, in case you need to know), although I'm a little nervous
> > about getting everything lined up again (assuming I get to put it back
> > together some time). Gives me lots more room to work, anyway.
> >
> > I got the bottom bolt drilled out pretty quick, and I THINK I'll be ok
> > with the threads. I'll have to wait and see on that one; the remains of
> > the bolt showed just the very end threads to be touched by the drill
> > bit.. But the top bolt is still stuck tight, and the real problem now
> > is the broken drill bit in it is keeping me from drilling it out.
> >
> > I saw someone else with a stuck tap in this same thread, and the
> > suggestion was a carbide bit, an A/C drill, and a case of beer (or
> > something like that). I think I'll pass on the beer (too many memories
> > of New Year's Eve), but I'll break out my old corded drill and pick up a
> > few more bits to try drilling it out.
> >
> > Hey, at least I won ONE fight tonight. :)
> >
> > Clint
> >
> > "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:UJCkh.535564$R63.397938@pd7urf1no...
> >
> >> So I'm elbows-deep in pulling out my radiator and water pump from my
> >> '88 Jeep Comanche (4.0l, if that matters), and as I figured was
> >> likely, two bolt heads broke off. I've got pictures, if you care to
> >> see (http://members.shaw.ca/cneufeld/Imag...ck005Small.jpg).
> >> They're broken off just under the head, so there's about 1/2" of
> >> threaded material to grab, assuming that doesn't break off.
> >>
> >> What's the best method you've found to deal with these? Do any of
> >> them work better than others? If I've got to drill a hole in them,
> >> how do you get the hole started with an uneven surface like the broken
> >> off head? Center-punch? That'll be fun to get in there with a hammer...
> >>
> >> So far, I figure I'm about 3 hours into the job, and I've got all the
> >> old parts out. The old water pump actually looks like it's in good
> >> shaped (vanes all there, looking pretty new), but it was leaking.
> >> There was no sign of anything other than the paper gasket; should I be
> >> using the RTV gasket gunk as well? Somehow, I've got to get into the
> >> block heater and replace it as well. At least with the water pump
> >> out, I can see in there a bit.
> >>
> >> Clint
> >
> >

 

If he has access to a welder I've had good luck if there is enough bolt
sticking I just weld a nut on, between the heat from the weld and the nut
head they come easy.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:459D3B6A.3AE27867@sympatico.ca...
>I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...
>
> I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
> with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.
>
> Just a though.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>>
>> You have my symapthies on the various broken drills and extractors. I
>> have done that enough times that my current strategy is to do the "best
>> shot" the FIRST time. I know it is tempting to to try and work at an odd
>> angle to avoid taking out too many related parts but it is usually a
>> false start.
>>
>> good luck.
>>
>> Clint wrote:
>> > Well, it must be time for a progress report...
>> >
>> > First, I tried the torch, followed by an extractor. I managed to snap
>> > the extractor off in the bolt. *sigh* I think my neighbor jinxed me on
>> > that one, cuz he warned me about it.
>> >
>> > I was able to cut off the bolt and get the remains of the extractor
>> > out,
>> > so no real harm done, anyway. I followed that up with a titanium
>> > coated
>> > bit, to try drilling it out. I think I should have used a beefier (or
>> > better) bit, as the bit busted off inside. *sigh again*
>> >
>> > So I picked up some better and bigger bits, and went at it again
>> > tonight. First, I had to remove the front of the Jeep, so I could get
>> > my
>> > drill in there. Turns out to be pretty easy (4 bolts, hidden behind
>> > the
>> > turn signals, in case you need to know), although I'm a little nervous
>> > about getting everything lined up again (assuming I get to put it back
>> > together some time). Gives me lots more room to work, anyway.
>> >
>> > I got the bottom bolt drilled out pretty quick, and I THINK I'll be ok
>> > with the threads. I'll have to wait and see on that one; the remains
>> > of
>> > the bolt showed just the very end threads to be touched by the drill
>> > bit.. But the top bolt is still stuck tight, and the real problem now
>> > is the broken drill bit in it is keeping me from drilling it out.
>> >
>> > I saw someone else with a stuck tap in this same thread, and the
>> > suggestion was a carbide bit, an A/C drill, and a case of beer (or
>> > something like that). I think I'll pass on the beer (too many memories
>> > of New Year's Eve), but I'll break out my old corded drill and pick up
>> > a
>> > few more bits to try drilling it out.
>> >
>> > Hey, at least I won ONE fight tonight. :)
>> >
>> > Clint
>> >
>> > "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:UJCkh.535564$R63.397938@pd7urf1no...
>> >
>> >> So I'm elbows-deep in pulling out my radiator and water pump from my
>> >> '88 Jeep Comanche (4.0l, if that matters), and as I figured was
>> >> likely, two bolt heads broke off. I've got pictures, if you care to
>> >> see (http://members.shaw.ca/cneufeld/Imag...ck005Small.jpg).
>> >> They're broken off just under the head, so there's about 1/2" of
>> >> threaded material to grab, assuming that doesn't break off.
>> >>
>> >> What's the best method you've found to deal with these? Do any of
>> >> them work better than others? If I've got to drill a hole in them,
>> >> how do you get the hole started with an uneven surface like the broken
>> >> off head? Center-punch? That'll be fun to get in there with a
>> >> hammer...
>> >>
>> >> So far, I figure I'm about 3 hours into the job, and I've got all the
>> >> old parts out. The old water pump actually looks like it's in good
>> >> shaped (vanes all there, looking pretty new), but it was leaking.
>> >> There was no sign of anything other than the paper gasket; should I be
>> >> using the RTV gasket gunk as well? Somehow, I've got to get into the
>> >> block heater and replace it as well. At least with the water pump
>> >> out, I can see in there a bit.
>> >>
>> >> Clint
>> >
>> >

 

If he has access to a welder I've had good luck if there is enough bolt
sticking I just weld a nut on, between the heat from the weld and the nut
head they come easy.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:459D3B6A.3AE27867@sympatico.ca...
>I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...
>
> I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
> with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.
>
> Just a though.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>>
>> You have my symapthies on the various broken drills and extractors. I
>> have done that enough times that my current strategy is to do the "best
>> shot" the FIRST time. I know it is tempting to to try and work at an odd
>> angle to avoid taking out too many related parts but it is usually a
>> false start.
>>
>> good luck.
>>
>> Clint wrote:
>> > Well, it must be time for a progress report...
>> >
>> > First, I tried the torch, followed by an extractor. I managed to snap
>> > the extractor off in the bolt. *sigh* I think my neighbor jinxed me on
>> > that one, cuz he warned me about it.
>> >
>> > I was able to cut off the bolt and get the remains of the extractor
>> > out,
>> > so no real harm done, anyway. I followed that up with a titanium
>> > coated
>> > bit, to try drilling it out. I think I should have used a beefier (or
>> > better) bit, as the bit busted off inside. *sigh again*
>> >
>> > So I picked up some better and bigger bits, and went at it again
>> > tonight. First, I had to remove the front of the Jeep, so I could get
>> > my
>> > drill in there. Turns out to be pretty easy (4 bolts, hidden behind
>> > the
>> > turn signals, in case you need to know), although I'm a little nervous
>> > about getting everything lined up again (assuming I get to put it back
>> > together some time). Gives me lots more room to work, anyway.
>> >
>> > I got the bottom bolt drilled out pretty quick, and I THINK I'll be ok
>> > with the threads. I'll have to wait and see on that one; the remains
>> > of
>> > the bolt showed just the very end threads to be touched by the drill
>> > bit.. But the top bolt is still stuck tight, and the real problem now
>> > is the broken drill bit in it is keeping me from drilling it out.
>> >
>> > I saw someone else with a stuck tap in this same thread, and the
>> > suggestion was a carbide bit, an A/C drill, and a case of beer (or
>> > something like that). I think I'll pass on the beer (too many memories
>> > of New Year's Eve), but I'll break out my old corded drill and pick up
>> > a
>> > few more bits to try drilling it out.
>> >
>> > Hey, at least I won ONE fight tonight. :)
>> >
>> > Clint
>> >
>> > "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:UJCkh.535564$R63.397938@pd7urf1no...
>> >
>> >> So I'm elbows-deep in pulling out my radiator and water pump from my
>> >> '88 Jeep Comanche (4.0l, if that matters), and as I figured was
>> >> likely, two bolt heads broke off. I've got pictures, if you care to
>> >> see (http://members.shaw.ca/cneufeld/Imag...ck005Small.jpg).
>> >> They're broken off just under the head, so there's about 1/2" of
>> >> threaded material to grab, assuming that doesn't break off.
>> >>
>> >> What's the best method you've found to deal with these? Do any of
>> >> them work better than others? If I've got to drill a hole in them,
>> >> how do you get the hole started with an uneven surface like the broken
>> >> off head? Center-punch? That'll be fun to get in there with a
>> >> hammer...
>> >>
>> >> So far, I figure I'm about 3 hours into the job, and I've got all the
>> >> old parts out. The old water pump actually looks like it's in good
>> >> shaped (vanes all there, looking pretty new), but it was leaking.
>> >> There was no sign of anything other than the paper gasket; should I be
>> >> using the RTV gasket gunk as well? Somehow, I've got to get into the
>> >> block heater and replace it as well. At least with the water pump
>> >> out, I can see in there a bit.
>> >>
>> >> Clint
>> >
>> >

 

If he has access to a welder I've had good luck if there is enough bolt
sticking I just weld a nut on, between the heat from the weld and the nut
head they come easy.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:459D3B6A.3AE27867@sympatico.ca...
>I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...
>
> I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
> with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.
>
> Just a though.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>>
>> You have my symapthies on the various broken drills and extractors. I
>> have done that enough times that my current strategy is to do the "best
>> shot" the FIRST time. I know it is tempting to to try and work at an odd
>> angle to avoid taking out too many related parts but it is usually a
>> false start.
>>
>> good luck.
>>
>> Clint wrote:
>> > Well, it must be time for a progress report...
>> >
>> > First, I tried the torch, followed by an extractor. I managed to snap
>> > the extractor off in the bolt. *sigh* I think my neighbor jinxed me on
>> > that one, cuz he warned me about it.
>> >
>> > I was able to cut off the bolt and get the remains of the extractor
>> > out,
>> > so no real harm done, anyway. I followed that up with a titanium
>> > coated
>> > bit, to try drilling it out. I think I should have used a beefier (or
>> > better) bit, as the bit busted off inside. *sigh again*
>> >
>> > So I picked up some better and bigger bits, and went at it again
>> > tonight. First, I had to remove the front of the Jeep, so I could get
>> > my
>> > drill in there. Turns out to be pretty easy (4 bolts, hidden behind
>> > the
>> > turn signals, in case you need to know), although I'm a little nervous
>> > about getting everything lined up again (assuming I get to put it back
>> > together some time). Gives me lots more room to work, anyway.
>> >
>> > I got the bottom bolt drilled out pretty quick, and I THINK I'll be ok
>> > with the threads. I'll have to wait and see on that one; the remains
>> > of
>> > the bolt showed just the very end threads to be touched by the drill
>> > bit.. But the top bolt is still stuck tight, and the real problem now
>> > is the broken drill bit in it is keeping me from drilling it out.
>> >
>> > I saw someone else with a stuck tap in this same thread, and the
>> > suggestion was a carbide bit, an A/C drill, and a case of beer (or
>> > something like that). I think I'll pass on the beer (too many memories
>> > of New Year's Eve), but I'll break out my old corded drill and pick up
>> > a
>> > few more bits to try drilling it out.
>> >
>> > Hey, at least I won ONE fight tonight. :)
>> >
>> > Clint
>> >
>> > "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:UJCkh.535564$R63.397938@pd7urf1no...
>> >
>> >> So I'm elbows-deep in pulling out my radiator and water pump from my
>> >> '88 Jeep Comanche (4.0l, if that matters), and as I figured was
>> >> likely, two bolt heads broke off. I've got pictures, if you care to
>> >> see (http://members.shaw.ca/cneufeld/Imag...ck005Small.jpg).
>> >> They're broken off just under the head, so there's about 1/2" of
>> >> threaded material to grab, assuming that doesn't break off.
>> >>
>> >> What's the best method you've found to deal with these? Do any of
>> >> them work better than others? If I've got to drill a hole in them,
>> >> how do you get the hole started with an uneven surface like the broken
>> >> off head? Center-punch? That'll be fun to get in there with a
>> >> hammer...
>> >>
>> >> So far, I figure I'm about 3 hours into the job, and I've got all the
>> >> old parts out. The old water pump actually looks like it's in good
>> >> shaped (vanes all there, looking pretty new), but it was leaking.
>> >> There was no sign of anything other than the paper gasket; should I be
>> >> using the RTV gasket gunk as well? Somehow, I've got to get into the
>> >> block heater and replace it as well. At least with the water pump
>> >> out, I can see in there a bit.
>> >>
>> >> Clint
>> >
>> >

 

Hi Mike,
Yup, I've had a head bolt blown out while the head was on the flat
head, and didn't even need a thread chaser.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:459D3B6A.3AE27867@sympatico.ca...
> I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...
>
> I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
> with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.
>
> Just a though.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)



--
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Hi Mike,
Yup, I've had a head bolt blown out while the head was on the flat
head, and didn't even need a thread chaser.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:459D3B6A.3AE27867@sympatico.ca...
> I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...
>
> I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
> with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.
>
> Just a though.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)



--
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Hi Mike,
Yup, I've had a head bolt blown out while the head was on the flat
head, and didn't even need a thread chaser.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:459D3B6A.3AE27867@sympatico.ca...
> I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...
>
> I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
> with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.
>
> Just a though.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)



--
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Mike & Bill,
Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by blowing out a bolt with a
torch?
Al

"L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote:

>Hi Mike,
> Yup, I've had a head bolt blown out while the head was on the flat
>head, and didn't even need a thread chaser.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:459D3B6A.3AE27867@sympatico.ca...
>> I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...
>>
>> I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
>> with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.
>>
>> Just a though.....
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
__
Arold "Al" Green

 

Mike & Bill,
Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by blowing out a bolt with a
torch?
Al

"L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote:

>Hi Mike,
> Yup, I've had a head bolt blown out while the head was on the flat
>head, and didn't even need a thread chaser.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:459D3B6A.3AE27867@sympatico.ca...
>> I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...
>>
>> I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
>> with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.
>>
>> Just a though.....
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
__
Arold "Al" Green

 

Mike & Bill,
Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by blowing out a bolt with a
torch?
Al

"L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote:

>Hi Mike,
> Yup, I've had a head bolt blown out while the head was on the flat
>head, and didn't even need a thread chaser.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:459D3B6A.3AE27867@sympatico.ca...
>> I am surprised no one has suggested he gets it blown out with a torch...
>>
>> I know folks that swear they can blow the steel bolts out of the cast
>> with a cutting torch without damaging the threads in the cast.
>>
>> Just a though.....
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
__
Arold "Al" Green