Banks Headers?
10-13-2004, 09:47 PM
#21
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Re: Banks Headers?
bushman did pass the time by typing:
> Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a source
> for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback. Wow
> that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and uses
> 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the header
> for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> Allen who is posting this for the third time.
Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
(and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the header
and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are, but
the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an OEM
cat unless it's busted or clogged.
If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to get
one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it sure
sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol smiling
(cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized cat-back.
The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice rust
color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets bitten
by the occasional rock anyway.
--
DougW
> Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a source
> for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback. Wow
> that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and uses
> 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the header
> for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> Allen who is posting this for the third time.
Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
(and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the header
and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are, but
the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an OEM
cat unless it's busted or clogged.
If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to get
one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it sure
sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol smiling
(cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized cat-back.
The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice rust
color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets bitten
by the occasional rock anyway.
--
DougW
10-13-2004, 09:47 PM
#22
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Re: Banks Headers?
bushman did pass the time by typing:
> Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a source
> for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback. Wow
> that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and uses
> 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the header
> for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> Allen who is posting this for the third time.
Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
(and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the header
and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are, but
the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an OEM
cat unless it's busted or clogged.
If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to get
one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it sure
sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol smiling
(cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized cat-back.
The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice rust
color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets bitten
by the occasional rock anyway.
--
DougW
> Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a source
> for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback. Wow
> that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and uses
> 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the header
> for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> Allen who is posting this for the third time.
Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
(and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the header
and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are, but
the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an OEM
cat unless it's busted or clogged.
If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to get
one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it sure
sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol smiling
(cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized cat-back.
The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice rust
color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets bitten
by the occasional rock anyway.
--
DougW
10-15-2004, 02:47 PM
#23
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Re: Banks Headers?
OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:lUkbd.41322$tU4.2748@okepread06...
> bushman did pass the time by typing:
> > Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a
source
> > for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> > guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback.
Wow
> > that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and
uses
> > 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the
header
> > for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> > Allen who is posting this for the third time.
>
> Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
> (and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the
header
> and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
> You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are,
but
> the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an
OEM
> cat unless it's busted or clogged.
>
> If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
> One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to
get
> one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
>
> As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it
sure
> sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol
smiling
> (cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized
cat-back.
> The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice
rust
> color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets
bitten
> by the occasional rock anyway.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:lUkbd.41322$tU4.2748@okepread06...
> bushman did pass the time by typing:
> > Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a
source
> > for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> > guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback.
Wow
> > that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and
uses
> > 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the
header
> > for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> > Allen who is posting this for the third time.
>
> Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
> (and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the
header
> and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
> You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are,
but
> the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an
OEM
> cat unless it's busted or clogged.
>
> If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
> One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to
get
> one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
>
> As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it
sure
> sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol
smiling
> (cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized
cat-back.
> The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice
rust
> color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets
bitten
> by the occasional rock anyway.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
10-15-2004, 02:47 PM
#24
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Re: Banks Headers?
OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:lUkbd.41322$tU4.2748@okepread06...
> bushman did pass the time by typing:
> > Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a
source
> > for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> > guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback.
Wow
> > that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and
uses
> > 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the
header
> > for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> > Allen who is posting this for the third time.
>
> Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
> (and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the
header
> and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
> You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are,
but
> the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an
OEM
> cat unless it's busted or clogged.
>
> If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
> One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to
get
> one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
>
> As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it
sure
> sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol
smiling
> (cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized
cat-back.
> The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice
rust
> color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets
bitten
> by the occasional rock anyway.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:lUkbd.41322$tU4.2748@okepread06...
> bushman did pass the time by typing:
> > Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a
source
> > for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> > guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback.
Wow
> > that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and
uses
> > 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the
header
> > for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> > Allen who is posting this for the third time.
>
> Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
> (and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the
header
> and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
> You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are,
but
> the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an
OEM
> cat unless it's busted or clogged.
>
> If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
> One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to
get
> one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
>
> As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it
sure
> sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol
smiling
> (cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized
cat-back.
> The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice
rust
> color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets
bitten
> by the occasional rock anyway.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
10-15-2004, 02:47 PM
#25
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Re: Banks Headers?
OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:lUkbd.41322$tU4.2748@okepread06...
> bushman did pass the time by typing:
> > Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a
source
> > for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> > guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback.
Wow
> > that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and
uses
> > 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the
header
> > for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> > Allen who is posting this for the third time.
>
> Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
> (and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the
header
> and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
> You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are,
but
> the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an
OEM
> cat unless it's busted or clogged.
>
> If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
> One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to
get
> one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
>
> As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it
sure
> sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol
smiling
> (cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized
cat-back.
> The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice
rust
> color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets
bitten
> by the occasional rock anyway.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:lUkbd.41322$tU4.2748@okepread06...
> bushman did pass the time by typing:
> > Thanks Doug. I already have your webpage in my favorites and was a
source
> > for me starting this project. I talked to the Banks folks today and he
> > guaranteed I would get 22.7HP if I bought both the header and catback.
Wow
> > that seems like a lot for a system with the same diameter as stock and
uses
> > 30% of the stock system. He is unable to provide any photos of the
header
> > for newer TJs. Hmmmm.....
> > Allen who is posting this for the third time.
>
> Actually it's larger than stock. The only part that you didn't mention
> (and I think they no longer make) is the S pipe (the bit between the
header
> and the cat). But that can be fabbed up by any good muffler shop.
> You can get a high-flow cat for about 100-130 depending on where you are,
but
> the stock one flows well and muffler shops leagally shouldn't replace an
OEM
> cat unless it's busted or clogged.
>
> If you have someone make a new S pipe for you have them put in two bungs.
> One for the stock O2 sensor and one for a pyrometer if you ever want to
get
> one. (bungs are much easier to weld in when the pipe is off)
>
> As for the 22hp gain.. mebby. I can't say anything for sure except it
sure
> sounds nice.. burble burble burble... and much less noisy than the ol
smiling
> (cracked) header that was in there. I went with the Gibson aluminized
cat-back.
> The only thing shiny on it now is the stainless tip. The rest is a nice
rust
> color. Didn't worry much about having a shiny muffler since it gets
bitten
> by the occasional rock anyway.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
10-15-2004, 03:31 PM
#26
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Re: Banks Headers?
Hi Carlo,
And then only as part of a tractor instrument panel:
http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Carlo wrote:
>
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
And then only as part of a tractor instrument panel:
http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Carlo wrote:
>
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
10-15-2004, 03:31 PM
#27
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Re: Banks Headers?
Hi Carlo,
And then only as part of a tractor instrument panel:
http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Carlo wrote:
>
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
And then only as part of a tractor instrument panel:
http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Carlo wrote:
>
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
10-15-2004, 03:31 PM
#28
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Re: Banks Headers?
Hi Carlo,
And then only as part of a tractor instrument panel:
http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Carlo wrote:
>
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
And then only as part of a tractor instrument panel:
http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Carlo wrote:
>
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
10-15-2004, 03:31 PM
#29
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Re: Banks Headers?
Carlo did pass the time by typing:
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
:)
Actually you can put several things there. Ranging from a pressure gauge
if you think the cat is plugged to an O2 sensor for watching the mix, to
a pyrometer to keep tabs on the engines health. All depends where you are
planning on going with the buildup. for a few bucks it's a bit of cheap
planning ahead.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
:)
Actually you can put several things there. Ranging from a pressure gauge
if you think the cat is plugged to an O2 sensor for watching the mix, to
a pyrometer to keep tabs on the engines health. All depends where you are
planning on going with the buildup. for a few bucks it's a bit of cheap
planning ahead.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
10-15-2004, 03:31 PM
#30
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Re: Banks Headers?
Carlo did pass the time by typing:
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
:)
Actually you can put several things there. Ranging from a pressure gauge
if you think the cat is plugged to an O2 sensor for watching the mix, to
a pyrometer to keep tabs on the engines health. All depends where you are
planning on going with the buildup. for a few bucks it's a bit of cheap
planning ahead.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
> OK.........I'll bite & ask the stupid question. The only vehicles I have
> seen with pyrometers had turbo's. Why would you want one on a jeep?
:)
Actually you can put several things there. Ranging from a pressure gauge
if you think the cat is plugged to an O2 sensor for watching the mix, to
a pyrometer to keep tabs on the engines health. All depends where you are
planning on going with the buildup. for a few bucks it's a bit of cheap
planning ahead.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!