bad brakes
09-26-2004, 03:11 PM
#21
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Re: bad brakes
Ahh....
Maybe the MC doesn't have enough stroke? or the bore? or more likely
the proportioning valve isn't right for dual disks.
I would be trying to find out what the bore and stroke are for the
rears.
Also drum and disks have different MC's. There is a backflow valve or
something in the one of them. The Jeep drum brake MC will not work on a
disk brake setup.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> I hated the drum brakes in back. the adjusters constantly froze up or
> the cable would break or fall off. sand/dirt would get inside and make
> everything wear out twice as fast. that and I stripped the pinion gear
> on my dana 35. I dont miss it. it has a lot less brake dive and seems
> more stable under braking now.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Why try and make some unsafe bastardized brake system?
> >
> > The Cherokee's have been stopping fine since 1984 with their 'stock'
> > setup....
> >
> > The best you can expect with stock is to lock up the front wheels. The
> > rear wheel will not lock up unless you are almost stopped. The
> > combination valve does that to prevent rear wheel lock so you don't do
> > 360's down the road anytime you jam on the brakes.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
Maybe the MC doesn't have enough stroke? or the bore? or more likely
the proportioning valve isn't right for dual disks.
I would be trying to find out what the bore and stroke are for the
rears.
Also drum and disks have different MC's. There is a backflow valve or
something in the one of them. The Jeep drum brake MC will not work on a
disk brake setup.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> I hated the drum brakes in back. the adjusters constantly froze up or
> the cable would break or fall off. sand/dirt would get inside and make
> everything wear out twice as fast. that and I stripped the pinion gear
> on my dana 35. I dont miss it. it has a lot less brake dive and seems
> more stable under braking now.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Why try and make some unsafe bastardized brake system?
> >
> > The Cherokee's have been stopping fine since 1984 with their 'stock'
> > setup....
> >
> > The best you can expect with stock is to lock up the front wheels. The
> > rear wheel will not lock up unless you are almost stopped. The
> > combination valve does that to prevent rear wheel lock so you don't do
> > 360's down the road anytime you jam on the brakes.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
09-26-2004, 03:11 PM
#22
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: bad brakes
Ahh....
Maybe the MC doesn't have enough stroke? or the bore? or more likely
the proportioning valve isn't right for dual disks.
I would be trying to find out what the bore and stroke are for the
rears.
Also drum and disks have different MC's. There is a backflow valve or
something in the one of them. The Jeep drum brake MC will not work on a
disk brake setup.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> I hated the drum brakes in back. the adjusters constantly froze up or
> the cable would break or fall off. sand/dirt would get inside and make
> everything wear out twice as fast. that and I stripped the pinion gear
> on my dana 35. I dont miss it. it has a lot less brake dive and seems
> more stable under braking now.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Why try and make some unsafe bastardized brake system?
> >
> > The Cherokee's have been stopping fine since 1984 with their 'stock'
> > setup....
> >
> > The best you can expect with stock is to lock up the front wheels. The
> > rear wheel will not lock up unless you are almost stopped. The
> > combination valve does that to prevent rear wheel lock so you don't do
> > 360's down the road anytime you jam on the brakes.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
Maybe the MC doesn't have enough stroke? or the bore? or more likely
the proportioning valve isn't right for dual disks.
I would be trying to find out what the bore and stroke are for the
rears.
Also drum and disks have different MC's. There is a backflow valve or
something in the one of them. The Jeep drum brake MC will not work on a
disk brake setup.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> I hated the drum brakes in back. the adjusters constantly froze up or
> the cable would break or fall off. sand/dirt would get inside and make
> everything wear out twice as fast. that and I stripped the pinion gear
> on my dana 35. I dont miss it. it has a lot less brake dive and seems
> more stable under braking now.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Why try and make some unsafe bastardized brake system?
> >
> > The Cherokee's have been stopping fine since 1984 with their 'stock'
> > setup....
> >
> > The best you can expect with stock is to lock up the front wheels. The
> > rear wheel will not lock up unless you are almost stopped. The
> > combination valve does that to prevent rear wheel lock so you don't do
> > 360's down the road anytime you jam on the brakes.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
09-26-2004, 03:14 PM
#23
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Re: bad brakes
Physics, booster power on a smaller area equals more pressure. You
didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
> that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
> system, making longer stopping distances?
>
> or am i confused?
>
> it does have a single diaphram booster.
didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
> that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
> system, making longer stopping distances?
>
> or am i confused?
>
> it does have a single diaphram booster.
09-26-2004, 03:14 PM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: bad brakes
Physics, booster power on a smaller area equals more pressure. You
didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
> that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
> system, making longer stopping distances?
>
> or am i confused?
>
> it does have a single diaphram booster.
didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
> that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
> system, making longer stopping distances?
>
> or am i confused?
>
> it does have a single diaphram booster.
09-26-2004, 03:14 PM
#25
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Posts: n/a
Re: bad brakes
Physics, booster power on a smaller area equals more pressure. You
didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
> that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
> system, making longer stopping distances?
>
> or am i confused?
>
> it does have a single diaphram booster.
didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
> that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
> system, making longer stopping distances?
>
> or am i confused?
>
> it does have a single diaphram booster.
09-26-2004, 04:41 PM
#26
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Re: bad brakes
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Physics, booster power on a smaller area equals more pressure. You
> didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Erik Litchy wrote:
>
>>why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
>>that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
>>system, making longer stopping distances?
>>
>>or am i confused?
>>
>>it does have a single diaphram booster.
well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.
> Physics, booster power on a smaller area equals more pressure. You
> didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Erik Litchy wrote:
>
>>why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
>>that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
>>system, making longer stopping distances?
>>
>>or am i confused?
>>
>>it does have a single diaphram booster.
well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.
09-26-2004, 04:41 PM
#27
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Posts: n/a
Re: bad brakes
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Physics, booster power on a smaller area equals more pressure. You
> didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Erik Litchy wrote:
>
>>why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
>>that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
>>system, making longer stopping distances?
>>
>>or am i confused?
>>
>>it does have a single diaphram booster.
well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.
> Physics, booster power on a smaller area equals more pressure. You
> didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Erik Litchy wrote:
>
>>why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
>>that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
>>system, making longer stopping distances?
>>
>>or am i confused?
>>
>>it does have a single diaphram booster.
well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.
09-26-2004, 04:41 PM
#28
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Posts: n/a
Re: bad brakes
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Physics, booster power on a smaller area equals more pressure. You
> didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Erik Litchy wrote:
>
>>why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
>>that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
>>system, making longer stopping distances?
>>
>>or am i confused?
>>
>>it does have a single diaphram booster.
well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.
> Physics, booster power on a smaller area equals more pressure. You
> didn't tell us the pedal hit the floor, you need to bleed.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Erik Litchy wrote:
>
>>why? the pedal can hit the floor with enough effort without stopping
>>that quickly. wouldnt a smaller bore master push less fluid into the
>>system, making longer stopping distances?
>>
>>or am i confused?
>>
>>it does have a single diaphram booster.
well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.
09-26-2004, 04:58 PM
#29
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Re: bad brakes
DON'T DRIVE IT UNTIL YOU FIX IT! Redesign/adjust the pedal lever,
booster, and/or master combination!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.
booster, and/or master combination!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.
09-26-2004, 04:58 PM
#30
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Posts: n/a
Re: bad brakes
DON'T DRIVE IT UNTIL YOU FIX IT! Redesign/adjust the pedal lever,
booster, and/or master combination!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.
booster, and/or master combination!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Erik Litchy wrote:
>
> well it takes a LOT of force to make it hit the floor.