Jo

The worst is having to walk out of the emergency room past the family...
very tough to do...

WYTEKER51 wrote:

> Kevin-
>
> I congradulate you for stopping most would not have even done that. I am a
> firefighter and see that kinda stuff all the time. its always hard to see
> something like that. I am sure the memory will stay with you along time. I can
> still remember seeing my first tramatic death which was over 15 years ago like
> it was yesterday. I am sure talking about it here has helped. How you feel now
> is not any different from how anybody else would feel. best thing i can think
> of is just talk about it dont keep it inside it will eat you up.From my stand
> point you really never get used to it you just learn how to deal with it. Wish
> there were more people like you a true hero. I may do it for a living but to me
> its my job my life style your the hero. My e-mail is open if you need to talk.
>
> Scott

Andy

Oh, I shouldn't have read this! I feel for you. Years ago I was passed
while on my motorcycle by two bikes with girls on the back, no helmets.
When the 2nd bike passed me the girl moved on the bike and he lost it. They
passed me in a corner with bluffs on each side. He hit the cliff and it was
terrible. The girl died in the worst way. I slowly stopped riding and sold
the HD. Never picked one up again.

Andy
2001 TJ

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:rojlc.23975$6L3.831@fed1read05...
> I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. Being the
> first one on the scene besides his son who was riding with him and
> another biker who crashed as well, I attempted to be helpful. His
> poor son was trying to get his mouth open and some air in through
> all the blood and mess of his face. He had a full face helmet on and
> it was a deseperate situation. I felt a heart beat but he wasnt
> breathing. His son removed the helmet and everyone that was there
> was just staring at his bloody face. His son was in a panic. I could
> feel a heart beat. someone had a one way breather mask so I gave him
> a breath. Blood and vomit went everywhere. His face through his
> mouth and nose were just pouring blood and other matter. After a
> long time of CPR, we just got no where (his heart stopped within a
> few minutes). It is so frustrating to feel someone die right in
> front of you and not be able to do anything. Mercy Air came, but it
> wasnt of any use. All of you guys, wear seatbelts, wear helmets if
> you must ride and remember. It can happen to anyone. I have no
> freaking idea how he got such a devastating head injury through this
> full face helmet. Im an adrenaline junky myself, but we are all just
> here a little while so be careful. Apparently the guy just lost it
> in a corner at 35mph. I'm getting a little sick of people around me
> dying. Thanks for letting me vent. Also apparently there was another
> two people who died on cole grade road today on motorcycles and the
> paramedics said this was their third time doing cpr this week.
> KH
>
>

Andy

Oh, I shouldn't have read this! I feel for you. Years ago I was passed
while on my motorcycle by two bikes with girls on the back, no helmets.
When the 2nd bike passed me the girl moved on the bike and he lost it. They
passed me in a corner with bluffs on each side. He hit the cliff and it was
terrible. The girl died in the worst way. I slowly stopped riding and sold
the HD. Never picked one up again.

Andy
2001 TJ

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:rojlc.23975$6L3.831@fed1read05...
> I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. Being the
> first one on the scene besides his son who was riding with him and
> another biker who crashed as well, I attempted to be helpful. His
> poor son was trying to get his mouth open and some air in through
> all the blood and mess of his face. He had a full face helmet on and
> it was a deseperate situation. I felt a heart beat but he wasnt
> breathing. His son removed the helmet and everyone that was there
> was just staring at his bloody face. His son was in a panic. I could
> feel a heart beat. someone had a one way breather mask so I gave him
> a breath. Blood and vomit went everywhere. His face through his
> mouth and nose were just pouring blood and other matter. After a
> long time of CPR, we just got no where (his heart stopped within a
> few minutes). It is so frustrating to feel someone die right in
> front of you and not be able to do anything. Mercy Air came, but it
> wasnt of any use. All of you guys, wear seatbelts, wear helmets if
> you must ride and remember. It can happen to anyone. I have no
> freaking idea how he got such a devastating head injury through this
> full face helmet. Im an adrenaline junky myself, but we are all just
> here a little while so be careful. Apparently the guy just lost it
> in a corner at 35mph. I'm getting a little sick of people around me
> dying. Thanks for letting me vent. Also apparently there was another
> two people who died on cole grade road today on motorcycles and the
> paramedics said this was their third time doing cpr this week.
> KH
>
>

Andy

Oh, I shouldn't have read this! I feel for you. Years ago I was passed
while on my motorcycle by two bikes with girls on the back, no helmets.
When the 2nd bike passed me the girl moved on the bike and he lost it. They
passed me in a corner with bluffs on each side. He hit the cliff and it was
terrible. The girl died in the worst way. I slowly stopped riding and sold
the HD. Never picked one up again.

Andy
2001 TJ

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:rojlc.23975$6L3.831@fed1read05...
> I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. Being the
> first one on the scene besides his son who was riding with him and
> another biker who crashed as well, I attempted to be helpful. His
> poor son was trying to get his mouth open and some air in through
> all the blood and mess of his face. He had a full face helmet on and
> it was a deseperate situation. I felt a heart beat but he wasnt
> breathing. His son removed the helmet and everyone that was there
> was just staring at his bloody face. His son was in a panic. I could
> feel a heart beat. someone had a one way breather mask so I gave him
> a breath. Blood and vomit went everywhere. His face through his
> mouth and nose were just pouring blood and other matter. After a
> long time of CPR, we just got no where (his heart stopped within a
> few minutes). It is so frustrating to feel someone die right in
> front of you and not be able to do anything. Mercy Air came, but it
> wasnt of any use. All of you guys, wear seatbelts, wear helmets if
> you must ride and remember. It can happen to anyone. I have no
> freaking idea how he got such a devastating head injury through this
> full face helmet. Im an adrenaline junky myself, but we are all just
> here a little while so be careful. Apparently the guy just lost it
> in a corner at 35mph. I'm getting a little sick of people around me
> dying. Thanks for letting me vent. Also apparently there was another
> two people who died on cole grade road today on motorcycles and the
> paramedics said this was their third time doing cpr this week.
> KH
>
>

Andy

Oh, I shouldn't have read this! I feel for you. Years ago I was passed
while on my motorcycle by two bikes with girls on the back, no helmets.
When the 2nd bike passed me the girl moved on the bike and he lost it. They
passed me in a corner with bluffs on each side. He hit the cliff and it was
terrible. The girl died in the worst way. I slowly stopped riding and sold
the HD. Never picked one up again.

Andy
2001 TJ

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:rojlc.23975$6L3.831@fed1read05...
> I was on my way back from Julian this afternoon when I guy about a
> mile ahead of me took a spill on a motorcycle in a corner. Being the
> first one on the scene besides his son who was riding with him and
> another biker who crashed as well, I attempted to be helpful. His
> poor son was trying to get his mouth open and some air in through
> all the blood and mess of his face. He had a full face helmet on and
> it was a deseperate situation. I felt a heart beat but he wasnt
> breathing. His son removed the helmet and everyone that was there
> was just staring at his bloody face. His son was in a panic. I could
> feel a heart beat. someone had a one way breather mask so I gave him
> a breath. Blood and vomit went everywhere. His face through his
> mouth and nose were just pouring blood and other matter. After a
> long time of CPR, we just got no where (his heart stopped within a
> few minutes). It is so frustrating to feel someone die right in
> front of you and not be able to do anything. Mercy Air came, but it
> wasnt of any use. All of you guys, wear seatbelts, wear helmets if
> you must ride and remember. It can happen to anyone. I have no
> freaking idea how he got such a devastating head injury through this
> full face helmet. Im an adrenaline junky myself, but we are all just
> here a little while so be careful. Apparently the guy just lost it
> in a corner at 35mph. I'm getting a little sick of people around me
> dying. Thanks for letting me vent. Also apparently there was another
> two people who died on cole grade road today on motorcycles and the
> paramedics said this was their third time doing cpr this week.
> KH
>
>

Closed

Fantastic job Kevin! I'm a Trauma Nurse in a level 1 ER... I would have
done the same thing...
I also ride a motorcycle often with other ER staff - most of us
don't wear helmets... we understand the risk and accept the consequences
when something goes wrong - Also know that if we die.. we've died doing
something that we really enjoy - as ER staff we know that life is fragile,
but we also know that you still must live life - you can't hide in fear of
the "great what if" we've all seen the person who's fallen off a chair and
got a odontoid fracture (commonly known as a hangman's fracture) or a C2
fracture (second cervical vertebrae) usually instantly fatal (though I've
seen one person who survived it)... I recently went to a 29y/o girls funeral
who fell over dead while cooking dinner (blown brain artery)
I suppose I should stop being so gory and get to the point - you could
drop over dead at any time - when your number is up.... not a thing you can
do about it... so go and enjoy yourself... don't waste any opportunity -
don't take stupid risks (driving drunk) but don't not do something you
enjoy. Life is to be lived not observed... ~D


"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:aaBlc.25721$6L3.3551@fed1read05...
> Wow, you guys have all been really great! Just getting some feedback,
> especially from people I dont really know is very helpful. It is very hard
> to explain how I feel, but I hope to feel better about it soon.
>
> I sure dont feel like a "hero".
>
> I was just at the right place with the right kind of experience I guess.
> What bubba said is also very helpful. Just knowing that the son saw
someone
> helping is way better than him having to wonder what if someone had tried
to
> help but no one was there.
> KH
>
> this newsgroup isnt all that bad after all :)
> KH
>
>
>
> "WYTEKER51" <wyteker51@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040503193550.20711.00000477@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > Kevin-
> >
> > I congradulate you for stopping most would not have even done that. I am
a
> > firefighter and see that kinda stuff all the time. its always hard to
see
> > something like that. I am sure the memory will stay with you along time.
I
> can
> > still remember seeing my first tramatic death which was over 15 years
ago
> like
> > it was yesterday. I am sure talking about it here has helped. How you
feel
> now
> > is not any different from how anybody else would feel. best thing i can
> think
> > of is just talk about it dont keep it inside it will eat you up.From my
> stand
> > point you really never get used to it you just learn how to deal with
it.
> Wish
> > there were more people like you a true hero. I may do it for a living
but
> to me
> > its my job my life style your the hero. My e-mail is open if you need to
> talk.
> >
> > Scott
>
>

Closed

Fantastic job Kevin! I'm a Trauma Nurse in a level 1 ER... I would have
done the same thing...
I also ride a motorcycle often with other ER staff - most of us
don't wear helmets... we understand the risk and accept the consequences
when something goes wrong - Also know that if we die.. we've died doing
something that we really enjoy - as ER staff we know that life is fragile,
but we also know that you still must live life - you can't hide in fear of
the "great what if" we've all seen the person who's fallen off a chair and
got a odontoid fracture (commonly known as a hangman's fracture) or a C2
fracture (second cervical vertebrae) usually instantly fatal (though I've
seen one person who survived it)... I recently went to a 29y/o girls funeral
who fell over dead while cooking dinner (blown brain artery)
I suppose I should stop being so gory and get to the point - you could
drop over dead at any time - when your number is up.... not a thing you can
do about it... so go and enjoy yourself... don't waste any opportunity -
don't take stupid risks (driving drunk) but don't not do something you
enjoy. Life is to be lived not observed... ~D


"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:aaBlc.25721$6L3.3551@fed1read05...
> Wow, you guys have all been really great! Just getting some feedback,
> especially from people I dont really know is very helpful. It is very hard
> to explain how I feel, but I hope to feel better about it soon.
>
> I sure dont feel like a "hero".
>
> I was just at the right place with the right kind of experience I guess.
> What bubba said is also very helpful. Just knowing that the son saw
someone
> helping is way better than him having to wonder what if someone had tried
to
> help but no one was there.
> KH
>
> this newsgroup isnt all that bad after all :)
> KH
>
>
>
> "WYTEKER51" <wyteker51@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040503193550.20711.00000477@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > Kevin-
> >
> > I congradulate you for stopping most would not have even done that. I am
a
> > firefighter and see that kinda stuff all the time. its always hard to
see
> > something like that. I am sure the memory will stay with you along time.
I
> can
> > still remember seeing my first tramatic death which was over 15 years
ago
> like
> > it was yesterday. I am sure talking about it here has helped. How you
feel
> now
> > is not any different from how anybody else would feel. best thing i can
> think
> > of is just talk about it dont keep it inside it will eat you up.From my
> stand
> > point you really never get used to it you just learn how to deal with
it.
> Wish
> > there were more people like you a true hero. I may do it for a living
but
> to me
> > its my job my life style your the hero. My e-mail is open if you need to
> talk.
> >
> > Scott
>
>

Closed

Fantastic job Kevin! I'm a Trauma Nurse in a level 1 ER... I would have
done the same thing...
I also ride a motorcycle often with other ER staff - most of us
don't wear helmets... we understand the risk and accept the consequences
when something goes wrong - Also know that if we die.. we've died doing
something that we really enjoy - as ER staff we know that life is fragile,
but we also know that you still must live life - you can't hide in fear of
the "great what if" we've all seen the person who's fallen off a chair and
got a odontoid fracture (commonly known as a hangman's fracture) or a C2
fracture (second cervical vertebrae) usually instantly fatal (though I've
seen one person who survived it)... I recently went to a 29y/o girls funeral
who fell over dead while cooking dinner (blown brain artery)
I suppose I should stop being so gory and get to the point - you could
drop over dead at any time - when your number is up.... not a thing you can
do about it... so go and enjoy yourself... don't waste any opportunity -
don't take stupid risks (driving drunk) but don't not do something you
enjoy. Life is to be lived not observed... ~D


"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:aaBlc.25721$6L3.3551@fed1read05...
> Wow, you guys have all been really great! Just getting some feedback,
> especially from people I dont really know is very helpful. It is very hard
> to explain how I feel, but I hope to feel better about it soon.
>
> I sure dont feel like a "hero".
>
> I was just at the right place with the right kind of experience I guess.
> What bubba said is also very helpful. Just knowing that the son saw
someone
> helping is way better than him having to wonder what if someone had tried
to
> help but no one was there.
> KH
>
> this newsgroup isnt all that bad after all :)
> KH
>
>
>
> "WYTEKER51" <wyteker51@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040503193550.20711.00000477@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > Kevin-
> >
> > I congradulate you for stopping most would not have even done that. I am
a
> > firefighter and see that kinda stuff all the time. its always hard to
see
> > something like that. I am sure the memory will stay with you along time.
I
> can
> > still remember seeing my first tramatic death which was over 15 years
ago
> like
> > it was yesterday. I am sure talking about it here has helped. How you
feel
> now
> > is not any different from how anybody else would feel. best thing i can
> think
> > of is just talk about it dont keep it inside it will eat you up.From my
> stand
> > point you really never get used to it you just learn how to deal with
it.
> Wish
> > there were more people like you a true hero. I may do it for a living
but
> to me
> > its my job my life style your the hero. My e-mail is open if you need to
> talk.
> >
> > Scott
>
>

Closed

Fantastic job Kevin! I'm a Trauma Nurse in a level 1 ER... I would have
done the same thing...
I also ride a motorcycle often with other ER staff - most of us
don't wear helmets... we understand the risk and accept the consequences
when something goes wrong - Also know that if we die.. we've died doing
something that we really enjoy - as ER staff we know that life is fragile,
but we also know that you still must live life - you can't hide in fear of
the "great what if" we've all seen the person who's fallen off a chair and
got a odontoid fracture (commonly known as a hangman's fracture) or a C2
fracture (second cervical vertebrae) usually instantly fatal (though I've
seen one person who survived it)... I recently went to a 29y/o girls funeral
who fell over dead while cooking dinner (blown brain artery)
I suppose I should stop being so gory and get to the point - you could
drop over dead at any time - when your number is up.... not a thing you can
do about it... so go and enjoy yourself... don't waste any opportunity -
don't take stupid risks (driving drunk) but don't not do something you
enjoy. Life is to be lived not observed... ~D


"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:aaBlc.25721$6L3.3551@fed1read05...
> Wow, you guys have all been really great! Just getting some feedback,
> especially from people I dont really know is very helpful. It is very hard
> to explain how I feel, but I hope to feel better about it soon.
>
> I sure dont feel like a "hero".
>
> I was just at the right place with the right kind of experience I guess.
> What bubba said is also very helpful. Just knowing that the son saw
someone
> helping is way better than him having to wonder what if someone had tried
to
> help but no one was there.
> KH
>
> this newsgroup isnt all that bad after all :)
> KH
>
>
>
> "WYTEKER51" <wyteker51@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040503193550.20711.00000477@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > Kevin-
> >
> > I congradulate you for stopping most would not have even done that. I am
a
> > firefighter and see that kinda stuff all the time. its always hard to
see
> > something like that. I am sure the memory will stay with you along time.
I
> can
> > still remember seeing my first tramatic death which was over 15 years
ago
> like
> > it was yesterday. I am sure talking about it here has helped. How you
feel
> now
> > is not any different from how anybody else would feel. best thing i can
> think
> > of is just talk about it dont keep it inside it will eat you up.From my
> stand
> > point you really never get used to it you just learn how to deal with
it.
> Wish
> > there were more people like you a true hero. I may do it for a living
but
> to me
> > its my job my life style your the hero. My e-mail is open if you need to
> talk.
> >
> > Scott
>
>

Kevin in San Diego

When I first started riding in the 80s there was no helmet law in
California. When the law came, I wasn't happy. Now, I'm not so sure about
the no helmet thing. I have a flat spot on an old helmet that made the
difference between walking away pissed off and being carried away with a
flat spot in my skull. I don't ride any more. I have too many other hobbies
and riding feels a bit like an unnecessary risk now that I have two little
kids to take care of. Maybe when they grow older. Anyhow point well taken. I
have had plenty of opportunities to die and made it this far. Life goes on.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. They mean a lot.
KH

"Closed" <Closed@REMOVETHISneo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:S24mc.6274$ej4.6028@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> Fantastic job Kevin! I'm a Trauma Nurse in a level 1 ER... I would have
> done the same thing...
> I also ride a motorcycle often with other ER staff - most of us
> don't wear helmets... we understand the risk and accept the consequences
> when something goes wrong - Also know that if we die.. we've died doing
> something that we really enjoy - as ER staff we know that life is fragile,
> but we also know that you still must live life - you can't hide in fear of
> the "great what if" we've all seen the person who's fallen off a chair and
> got a odontoid fracture (commonly known as a hangman's fracture) or a C2
> fracture (second cervical vertebrae) usually instantly fatal (though I've
> seen one person who survived it)... I recently went to a 29y/o girls
funeral
> who fell over dead while cooking dinner (blown brain artery)
> I suppose I should stop being so gory and get to the point - you
could
> drop over dead at any time - when your number is up.... not a thing you
can
> do about it... so go and enjoy yourself... don't waste any opportunity -
> don't take stupid risks (driving drunk) but don't not do something you
> enjoy. Life is to be lived not observed... ~D
>
>
> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> news:aaBlc.25721$6L3.3551@fed1read05...
> > Wow, you guys have all been really great! Just getting some feedback,
> > especially from people I dont really know is very helpful. It is very
hard
> > to explain how I feel, but I hope to feel better about it soon.
> >
> > I sure dont feel like a "hero".
> >
> > I was just at the right place with the right kind of experience I guess.
> > What bubba said is also very helpful. Just knowing that the son saw
> someone
> > helping is way better than him having to wonder what if someone had
tried
> to
> > help but no one was there.
> > KH
> >
> > this newsgroup isnt all that bad after all :)
> > KH
> >
> >
> >
> > "WYTEKER51" <wyteker51@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040503193550.20711.00000477@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > > Kevin-
> > >
> > > I congradulate you for stopping most would not have even done that. I
am
> a
> > > firefighter and see that kinda stuff all the time. its always hard to
> see
> > > something like that. I am sure the memory will stay with you along
time.
> I
> > can
> > > still remember seeing my first tramatic death which was over 15 years
> ago
> > like
> > > it was yesterday. I am sure talking about it here has helped. How you
> feel
> > now
> > > is not any different from how anybody else would feel. best thing i
can
> > think
> > > of is just talk about it dont keep it inside it will eat you up.From
my
> > stand
> > > point you really never get used to it you just learn how to deal with
> it.
> > Wish
> > > there were more people like you a true hero. I may do it for a living
> but
> > to me
> > > its my job my life style your the hero. My e-mail is open if you need
to
> > talk.
> > >
> > > Scott
> >
> >
>
>