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07-23-2003, 05:34 PM
#41
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Re: back
I am going to avoid the whole whiner thing going on elsewhere, and express
my sincere regret that your move went so badly. I wonder, like some of the
others, why you turned around and came home so close to your destination.
Perhaps being there would give me more insight to the burdens of living in a
broken down rental truck, but turning around and heading for NC had to only
lengthen the ordeal, and it gets you back to where you started with several
thousand dollars ------ across the country.
Maybe next time you want to move, you should bundle up a pile of twenties
and send them to me, and save the grief of loading and unloading the truck.
;-)
"Nathan W. Collier" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b_dTa.335124$jp.8774928@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> i dont really know where to begin to explain the sequence of events that
> took place over the past couple of weeks. it started with picking up a
uhaul
> truck in fayetteville, nc and returning it in fayetteville, nc some 14
days
> later.
>
> the truck i was given was not the truck i reserved 3 weeks prior, and i
> could not get a satisfactory response from any uhaul representative. i
> reserved a diesel powered 26' "super mover", but what i got instead was an
> 82 model underpowered gas truck that was missing most of its dash and had
> loose/exposed wiring that rubbed against your leg. when i tried to push
the
> wiring back into the dash, the truck would knock off. since we were out of
> time i decided to make the best of it hoping it would make the trip.
>
> aside from endless breakdowns along the way (most of which i had to repair
> myself for various reasons), the real troubles started in the rocky
> mountains.
>
> ive written a 7 page letter to uhaul and here is one small section of that
> letter that explains the straw that broke the camels back:
>
> ------------------------
> The truck did "ok" up I-94. It was a real tease to see just how beautiful
> Montana really is and despite all the troubles I'd had along the way, I
was
> still just happy to finally be in "Big Sky Country". When I-94 and I-90
> came together my happiness of being in Montana was quickly replaced by
fear,
> apprehension, and anger once again. Bozeman Pass was a nightmare, as well
> as all the other "passes" along the way between Billings and Butte.
Passing
> signs that read "Chain Up Area 1/2 Mile" struck fear in me as I quickly
came
> to learn that those signs meant another steep grade that I might or might
> not make. The truck would downshift, backfire, downshift, etc. until it
> dropped into 1st. gear where it would drop to 4 mph screaming as it
crawled
> along impeding traffic. It was around Bozeman Pass that I had to explain
to
> my 10 year old why so many people were honking and flipping us off as they
> finally worked their way around us.
>
> The grade that changed everything was the Continental Divide (the first
time
> you cross it heading towards Great Falls). The truck screamed until it
came
> to a total stop not even 1 mile into the climb where it sat there and
> "moaned" but would not move. I got out of the truck (stopped in the middle
> of the interstate!) and backed my Jeep Wrangler off the auto transport
> trailer hoping that would be enough to get the truck going again. The
truck
> moved less than 100 feet before it came to a dead stop again. If
everything
> we owned had not been in the back of the Uhaul truck I think I would have
> got in my Jeep Wrangler at that point and drove away without ever looking
> back. Since that was not an option, we finally worked the truck off onto
> what there is of a shoulder and attempted to call Uhaul for assistance.
> Without cell phone service in that area however, there was nothing I could
> do. About an hour later a truck driver stopped to help and towed the Uhaul
> over the Continental Divide.
>
> <SNIP>
>
> While not quite as bad since we were coming off the mountain, the dozen or
> so mountain passes that we had just climbed were no fun going over from
the
> opposite direction. The automatic transmission offered no engine braking,
> and the truck constantly tried to run away coming down the grades. My wife
> (in her Jeep Cherokee behind me) had to back off because her eyes were
> watering from the fumes generated by my burning brakes.
> ----------------------------------------
>
> i may post the entire letter at a later time, but that gives you a sample
of
> the problems we had along the way. prior to trying I-90, we attempted to
> take 200 into great falls and had to be pulled over the grades outside of
> belt because the truck just didnt have the ***** to pull itself. im
> referencing the first grade just past eddies corner, it didnt even make it
> to the steeper grades at belt.
>
> by the time we got into montana, the wifey hated it (due to all the
problems
> along the way). with tears in her eyes she begged me "please take me home,
> nathan" so thats just what i did. there was no reasoning, there was no
point
> in even trying as i could see it in her eyes that i had no choice. now im
> stuck here again in this same house in this same -----hole neighborhood in
> this same -----hole state with the only difference being that now im
roughly
> $5,000 poorer than i was a few weeks ago. "luckily" the house didnt close
> when it was supposed to which made it possible for me to break the selling
> contract without fear of suit, but i refunded the buyers expenses (roughly
> $600 for home inspection, mortgage fees, termite inspection, etc.) anyway.
>
> there are a few things i learned along the way.
> 1) iowa is one huge cornfield with a road going down the middle
> 2) fill up in des moines because you wont find gas again
> 3) ever other car in indiana is a highway patrolman
> 4) minnesota is beautiful, particularly around alexandria
> 5) north dakota has free internet access at rest stops!
> 6) sadly, the indians on the crow reservation live up to their
stereotyping
> 7) uhaul does very bad business
>
> to make it worse, while parked outside of my hotel room in illinois the
cab
> of the uhaul got broken into (even though everything was hidden behind the
> seat). they got my laptop (ancient anyway, but still), my digi-cam, my
gps,
> and my cobra cb that i just bought before the trip.
>
> at this point im not sure what our next step will be. im not happy in
north
> carolina, but we need to regroup before we consider another move. i
> absolutely loved montana, but its going to take some convincing before the
> wifey will try that again. no amount of description or even pictures can
> prepare you for the awesome, rugged beauty of montana and i know ill make
it
> back.
>
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
my sincere regret that your move went so badly. I wonder, like some of the
others, why you turned around and came home so close to your destination.
Perhaps being there would give me more insight to the burdens of living in a
broken down rental truck, but turning around and heading for NC had to only
lengthen the ordeal, and it gets you back to where you started with several
thousand dollars ------ across the country.
Maybe next time you want to move, you should bundle up a pile of twenties
and send them to me, and save the grief of loading and unloading the truck.
;-)
"Nathan W. Collier" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b_dTa.335124$jp.8774928@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> i dont really know where to begin to explain the sequence of events that
> took place over the past couple of weeks. it started with picking up a
uhaul
> truck in fayetteville, nc and returning it in fayetteville, nc some 14
days
> later.
>
> the truck i was given was not the truck i reserved 3 weeks prior, and i
> could not get a satisfactory response from any uhaul representative. i
> reserved a diesel powered 26' "super mover", but what i got instead was an
> 82 model underpowered gas truck that was missing most of its dash and had
> loose/exposed wiring that rubbed against your leg. when i tried to push
the
> wiring back into the dash, the truck would knock off. since we were out of
> time i decided to make the best of it hoping it would make the trip.
>
> aside from endless breakdowns along the way (most of which i had to repair
> myself for various reasons), the real troubles started in the rocky
> mountains.
>
> ive written a 7 page letter to uhaul and here is one small section of that
> letter that explains the straw that broke the camels back:
>
> ------------------------
> The truck did "ok" up I-94. It was a real tease to see just how beautiful
> Montana really is and despite all the troubles I'd had along the way, I
was
> still just happy to finally be in "Big Sky Country". When I-94 and I-90
> came together my happiness of being in Montana was quickly replaced by
fear,
> apprehension, and anger once again. Bozeman Pass was a nightmare, as well
> as all the other "passes" along the way between Billings and Butte.
Passing
> signs that read "Chain Up Area 1/2 Mile" struck fear in me as I quickly
came
> to learn that those signs meant another steep grade that I might or might
> not make. The truck would downshift, backfire, downshift, etc. until it
> dropped into 1st. gear where it would drop to 4 mph screaming as it
crawled
> along impeding traffic. It was around Bozeman Pass that I had to explain
to
> my 10 year old why so many people were honking and flipping us off as they
> finally worked their way around us.
>
> The grade that changed everything was the Continental Divide (the first
time
> you cross it heading towards Great Falls). The truck screamed until it
came
> to a total stop not even 1 mile into the climb where it sat there and
> "moaned" but would not move. I got out of the truck (stopped in the middle
> of the interstate!) and backed my Jeep Wrangler off the auto transport
> trailer hoping that would be enough to get the truck going again. The
truck
> moved less than 100 feet before it came to a dead stop again. If
everything
> we owned had not been in the back of the Uhaul truck I think I would have
> got in my Jeep Wrangler at that point and drove away without ever looking
> back. Since that was not an option, we finally worked the truck off onto
> what there is of a shoulder and attempted to call Uhaul for assistance.
> Without cell phone service in that area however, there was nothing I could
> do. About an hour later a truck driver stopped to help and towed the Uhaul
> over the Continental Divide.
>
> <SNIP>
>
> While not quite as bad since we were coming off the mountain, the dozen or
> so mountain passes that we had just climbed were no fun going over from
the
> opposite direction. The automatic transmission offered no engine braking,
> and the truck constantly tried to run away coming down the grades. My wife
> (in her Jeep Cherokee behind me) had to back off because her eyes were
> watering from the fumes generated by my burning brakes.
> ----------------------------------------
>
> i may post the entire letter at a later time, but that gives you a sample
of
> the problems we had along the way. prior to trying I-90, we attempted to
> take 200 into great falls and had to be pulled over the grades outside of
> belt because the truck just didnt have the ***** to pull itself. im
> referencing the first grade just past eddies corner, it didnt even make it
> to the steeper grades at belt.
>
> by the time we got into montana, the wifey hated it (due to all the
problems
> along the way). with tears in her eyes she begged me "please take me home,
> nathan" so thats just what i did. there was no reasoning, there was no
point
> in even trying as i could see it in her eyes that i had no choice. now im
> stuck here again in this same house in this same -----hole neighborhood in
> this same -----hole state with the only difference being that now im
roughly
> $5,000 poorer than i was a few weeks ago. "luckily" the house didnt close
> when it was supposed to which made it possible for me to break the selling
> contract without fear of suit, but i refunded the buyers expenses (roughly
> $600 for home inspection, mortgage fees, termite inspection, etc.) anyway.
>
> there are a few things i learned along the way.
> 1) iowa is one huge cornfield with a road going down the middle
> 2) fill up in des moines because you wont find gas again
> 3) ever other car in indiana is a highway patrolman
> 4) minnesota is beautiful, particularly around alexandria
> 5) north dakota has free internet access at rest stops!
> 6) sadly, the indians on the crow reservation live up to their
stereotyping
> 7) uhaul does very bad business
>
> to make it worse, while parked outside of my hotel room in illinois the
cab
> of the uhaul got broken into (even though everything was hidden behind the
> seat). they got my laptop (ancient anyway, but still), my digi-cam, my
gps,
> and my cobra cb that i just bought before the trip.
>
> at this point im not sure what our next step will be. im not happy in
north
> carolina, but we need to regroup before we consider another move. i
> absolutely loved montana, but its going to take some convincing before the
> wifey will try that again. no amount of description or even pictures can
> prepare you for the awesome, rugged beauty of montana and i know ill make
it
> back.
>
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
07-23-2003, 05:51 PM
#42
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Posts: n/a
Re: the whining loser is back
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "mabar" <mabar@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote in message
> news:d7ednWNQ8t-ZLYOiXTWJgA@gbronline.com...
>
>>I still can't understand how turning around and driving 2500 miles back to
>>NC, was a better choice than driving the relatively few more miles to your
>>original destination.
>
>
> nor can i, but that is what the wife _really_ wanted so i made it happen.
>
Uh huh. Riiiiight. And you ALWAYS do what your wife "really wants to
do", dont ya? Like buying that Vette and hiding it from her. Like buying
a Rubicon without telling her.
If that's really true, then she pussed out and GAVE UP, and you weren't
enough of a MAN to stop her from doing so. You're a wimp. A real man
would have told her to stop her crying, and that you would stick it out.
A sensitive man would have told her that, no matter how hard it is, you
guys owed it to yourselves to at least give it a try.
A ------- LOSER would just give up and go back. Which is what you did,
LOSER.
> "mabar" <mabar@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote in message
> news:d7ednWNQ8t-ZLYOiXTWJgA@gbronline.com...
>
>>I still can't understand how turning around and driving 2500 miles back to
>>NC, was a better choice than driving the relatively few more miles to your
>>original destination.
>
>
> nor can i, but that is what the wife _really_ wanted so i made it happen.
>
Uh huh. Riiiiight. And you ALWAYS do what your wife "really wants to
do", dont ya? Like buying that Vette and hiding it from her. Like buying
a Rubicon without telling her.
If that's really true, then she pussed out and GAVE UP, and you weren't
enough of a MAN to stop her from doing so. You're a wimp. A real man
would have told her to stop her crying, and that you would stick it out.
A sensitive man would have told her that, no matter how hard it is, you
guys owed it to yourselves to at least give it a try.
A ------- LOSER would just give up and go back. Which is what you did,
LOSER.
07-23-2003, 05:53 PM
#43
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Posts: n/a
Re: the whining loser is back
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "mabar" <mabar@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote in message
> news:QH6dnfYHI51DFoOiU-KYvA@gbronline.com...
>
>>Also, it does seem like whenever Nathan is here, the entire newsgroup
>>revolves around Nathan and his problems.
>
>
> in three years and thousands of posts ive helped each and every time ive had
> valid content to contribute, as well as tried to make things "fun" along the
> way. its a shame you only seem to have seen me discuss daimler and uhaul.
No, we've also seen long, dragged out -------- threads about your whole
stupid move to Montana, and your idiotic refusal to take the good advice
given you here. Pearls before swine. Now we have to listen to you bich
and moan how it's all Uhaul's fault.
> "mabar" <mabar@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote in message
> news:QH6dnfYHI51DFoOiU-KYvA@gbronline.com...
>
>>Also, it does seem like whenever Nathan is here, the entire newsgroup
>>revolves around Nathan and his problems.
>
>
> in three years and thousands of posts ive helped each and every time ive had
> valid content to contribute, as well as tried to make things "fun" along the
> way. its a shame you only seem to have seen me discuss daimler and uhaul.
No, we've also seen long, dragged out -------- threads about your whole
stupid move to Montana, and your idiotic refusal to take the good advice
given you here. Pearls before swine. Now we have to listen to you bich
and moan how it's all Uhaul's fault.
07-23-2003, 06:02 PM
#44
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Re: the whining loser is back
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Jeffrey Leonard" <jeffl@quasi.net> wrote in message
> news:bfl8e3$qm7$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>What a ------- LOSER you are.
>
>
> wow......and youre not a very nice guy.
Oh, boo ------- hoo! And you're not a very *smart* guy!
> i think id rather be _everything_
> you accuse me of being
You are!
>than to conduct myself as you have. i hope youre
> proud.
>
I would rather be rude and SMART than polite and STOOPID!
I would rather be impolite and BRAVE than be a "nice" wimpy DUMBSHIT!
I don't come here with my goddamn soap operas! I don't listen to all the
good advice given here and toss it all away! Are you really this stupid
and naive?
> "Jeffrey Leonard" <jeffl@quasi.net> wrote in message
> news:bfl8e3$qm7$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>What a ------- LOSER you are.
>
>
> wow......and youre not a very nice guy.
Oh, boo ------- hoo! And you're not a very *smart* guy!
> i think id rather be _everything_
> you accuse me of being
You are!
>than to conduct myself as you have. i hope youre
> proud.
>
I would rather be rude and SMART than polite and STOOPID!
I would rather be impolite and BRAVE than be a "nice" wimpy DUMBSHIT!
I don't come here with my goddamn soap operas! I don't listen to all the
good advice given here and toss it all away! Are you really this stupid
and naive?
07-23-2003, 06:04 PM
#45
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Re: the whining loser is back
Robert Bills wrote:
>>it does seem like whenever Nathan is here, the entire newsgroup
>>
>>>revolves around Nathan and his problems.
>
>
>>"Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>>its a shame you only seem to have seen me discuss daimler and uhaul.
>
>
> Nathan,
> Sorry about your misfortune. Hope things go better in the future. I also hope
> you will take some advice from an old fart as constructive:
>
> Your "adventure" with Chrysler affected all of us, and many of us tried to
> help, but you wouldn't (or couldn't) take our advice to retain counsel which
> had disasterous results for you.
Bing-------- OH.
> When you decided to move to cowboy country
> many questioned your decision to use U-Haul and kindly suggested that it was a
> false economy. Again, you wouldn't (or couldn't) take that advice with a bad
> result.
Kee-RECT!
>
> Perhaps that is why your return to the newsgroup is receiving a negative
> reaction from some quarters. It's probably best to keep personal issues off
> the newsgroup and stick to jeeping. (You can always discuss personal things
> privately with the friends you meet here.)
>
>
Agreeing with Robert TOTALLY. Why is it I know that Nathan has a wife
and two daughters? Why would he put pictures of them up for all to see?
That's just *stupid*.
>
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com
>>it does seem like whenever Nathan is here, the entire newsgroup
>>
>>>revolves around Nathan and his problems.
>
>
>>"Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>>its a shame you only seem to have seen me discuss daimler and uhaul.
>
>
> Nathan,
> Sorry about your misfortune. Hope things go better in the future. I also hope
> you will take some advice from an old fart as constructive:
>
> Your "adventure" with Chrysler affected all of us, and many of us tried to
> help, but you wouldn't (or couldn't) take our advice to retain counsel which
> had disasterous results for you.
Bing-------- OH.
> When you decided to move to cowboy country
> many questioned your decision to use U-Haul and kindly suggested that it was a
> false economy. Again, you wouldn't (or couldn't) take that advice with a bad
> result.
Kee-RECT!
>
> Perhaps that is why your return to the newsgroup is receiving a negative
> reaction from some quarters. It's probably best to keep personal issues off
> the newsgroup and stick to jeeping. (You can always discuss personal things
> privately with the friends you meet here.)
>
>
Agreeing with Robert TOTALLY. Why is it I know that Nathan has a wife
and two daughters? Why would he put pictures of them up for all to see?
That's just *stupid*.
>
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com
07-23-2003, 06:05 PM
#46
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Re: the whining loser is back
fool.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Jeffrey Leonard" <jeffl@quasi.net> wrote in message
news:bfn005$aq1$0@pita.alt.net...
: Nathan W. Collier wrote:
: > "mabar" <mabar@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote in message
: > news:d7ednWNQ8t-ZLYOiXTWJgA@gbronline.com...
: >
: >>I still can't understand how turning around and driving 2500 miles back
to
: >>NC, was a better choice than driving the relatively few more miles to
your
: >>original destination.
: >
: >
: > nor can i, but that is what the wife _really_ wanted so i made it
happen.
: >
:
:
: Uh huh. Riiiiight. And you ALWAYS do what your wife "really wants to
: do", dont ya? Like buying that Vette and hiding it from her. Like buying
: a Rubicon without telling her.
:
: If that's really true, then she pussed out and GAVE UP, and you weren't
: enough of a MAN to stop her from doing so. You're a wimp. A real man
: would have told her to stop her crying, and that you would stick it out.
:
: A sensitive man would have told her that, no matter how hard it is, you
: guys owed it to yourselves to at least give it a try.
:
: A ------- LOSER would just give up and go back. Which is what you did,
: LOSER.
:
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Jeffrey Leonard" <jeffl@quasi.net> wrote in message
news:bfn005$aq1$0@pita.alt.net...
: Nathan W. Collier wrote:
: > "mabar" <mabar@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote in message
: > news:d7ednWNQ8t-ZLYOiXTWJgA@gbronline.com...
: >
: >>I still can't understand how turning around and driving 2500 miles back
to
: >>NC, was a better choice than driving the relatively few more miles to
your
: >>original destination.
: >
: >
: > nor can i, but that is what the wife _really_ wanted so i made it
happen.
: >
:
:
: Uh huh. Riiiiight. And you ALWAYS do what your wife "really wants to
: do", dont ya? Like buying that Vette and hiding it from her. Like buying
: a Rubicon without telling her.
:
: If that's really true, then she pussed out and GAVE UP, and you weren't
: enough of a MAN to stop her from doing so. You're a wimp. A real man
: would have told her to stop her crying, and that you would stick it out.
:
: A sensitive man would have told her that, no matter how hard it is, you
: guys owed it to yourselves to at least give it a try.
:
: A ------- LOSER would just give up and go back. Which is what you did,
: LOSER.
:
07-23-2003, 06:07 PM
#47
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Re: the whining loser is back
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Nathan W. Collier" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:thxTa.282970$_w.10748084@twister.southeast.rr .com...
>
>>"Jeffrey Leonard" <jeffl@quasi.net> wrote in message
>>news:bfl8e3$qm7$0@pita.alt.net...
>>
>>>What a ------- LOSER you are.
>>
>>wow......and youre not a very nice guy. i think id rather be _everything_
>>you accuse me of being than to conduct myself as you have. i hope youre
>>proud.
>>
>
> Amen to that! (Gosh I hope this is the end of this thread.)
>
> Earle
>
>
Not by a LONG shot!
> "Nathan W. Collier" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:thxTa.282970$_w.10748084@twister.southeast.rr .com...
>
>>"Jeffrey Leonard" <jeffl@quasi.net> wrote in message
>>news:bfl8e3$qm7$0@pita.alt.net...
>>
>>>What a ------- LOSER you are.
>>
>>wow......and youre not a very nice guy. i think id rather be _everything_
>>you accuse me of being than to conduct myself as you have. i hope youre
>>proud.
>>
>
> Amen to that! (Gosh I hope this is the end of this thread.)
>
> Earle
>
>
Not by a LONG shot!
07-23-2003, 06:10 PM
#48
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Re: the whining loser is back
"Jeffrey Leonard" <jeffl@quasi.net> wrote in message
news:bfn005$aq1$0@pita.alt.net...
> A real man
> would have
lol......i wasnt going to bother playing with the troll but this was to
funny and ironic. someone who has to use a fake name to confront me
(because you dont have the ***** to do it on your own) going to talk about
being a real man. :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:bfn005$aq1$0@pita.alt.net...
> A real man
> would have
lol......i wasnt going to bother playing with the troll but this was to
funny and ironic. someone who has to use a fake name to confront me
(because you dont have the ***** to do it on your own) going to talk about
being a real man. :-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
07-23-2003, 06:11 PM
#49
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Re: the whining loser is back
TJim wrote:
> Who the hell are *you*?
As they say in the radio biz: "Long time listener, first time caller"
I'm an American citizen exercising my Right to Free Speech. I also have
a very sensitive -------- Detector.And since y'all think it's peachy
keen to not talk about jeeps so much, I've picked another subject:
Nathan's major PUSS-OUT.
And from some of the responses, looks likeI'm not the only one who's a
little sick of this newsgroup revolving around him. Although, for his
sake, I'm willing to extend that phenomemena for a little while more.
>
> "Jeffrey Leonard" <jeffl@quasi.net> wrote in message
> news:bfl8e3$qm7$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>>
>>
>>>i dont really know where to begin to explain the sequence of events that
>>>took place over the past couple of weeks. it started with picking up a
>
> uhaul
>
>>>truck in fayetteville, nc and returning it in fayetteville, nc some 14
>
> days
>
>>>later.
>>>
>>>the truck i was given was not the truck i reserved 3 weeks prior, and i
>>>could not get a satisfactory response from any uhaul representative. i
>>>reserved a diesel powered 26' "super mover", but what i got instead was
>
> an
>
>>>82 model underpowered gas truck that was missing most of its dash and
>
> had
>
>>>loose/exposed wiring that rubbed against your leg. when i tried to push
>
> the
>
>>>wiring back into the dash, the truck would knock off. since we were out
>
> of
>
>>>time i decided to make the best of it hoping it would make the trip.
>>>
>>>aside from endless breakdowns along the way (most of which i had to
>
> repair
>
>>>myself for various reasons), the real troubles started in the rocky
>>>mountains.
>>>
>>>ive written a 7 page letter to uhaul and here is one small section of
>
> that
>
>>>letter that explains the straw that broke the camels back:
>>>
>>>------------------------
>>>The truck did "ok" up I-94. It was a real tease to see just how
>
> beautiful
>
>>>Montana really is and despite all the troubles I'd had along the way, I
>
> was
>
>>>still just happy to finally be in "Big Sky Country". When I-94 and I-90
>>>came together my happiness of being in Montana was quickly replaced by
>
> fear,
>
>>>apprehension, and anger once again. Bozeman Pass was a nightmare, as
>
> well
>
>>>as all the other "passes" along the way between Billings and Butte.
>
> Passing
>
>>>signs that read "Chain Up Area 1/2 Mile" struck fear in me as I quickly
>
> came
>
>>>to learn that those signs meant another steep grade that I might or
>
> might
>
>>>not make. The truck would downshift, backfire, downshift, etc. until it
>>>dropped into 1st. gear where it would drop to 4 mph screaming as it
>
> crawled
>
>>>along impeding traffic. It was around Bozeman Pass that I had to explain
>
> to
>
>>>my 10 year old why so many people were honking and flipping us off as
>
> they
>
>>>finally worked their way around us.
>>>
>>>The grade that changed everything was the Continental Divide (the first
>
> time
>
>>>you cross it heading towards Great Falls). The truck screamed until it
>
> came
>
>>>to a total stop not even 1 mile into the climb where it sat there and
>>>"moaned" but would not move. I got out of the truck (stopped in the
>
> middle
>
>>>of the interstate!) and backed my Jeep Wrangler off the auto transport
>>>trailer hoping that would be enough to get the truck going again. The
>
> truck
>
>>>moved less than 100 feet before it came to a dead stop again. If
>
> everything
>
>>>we owned had not been in the back of the Uhaul truck I think I would
>
> have
>
>>>got in my Jeep Wrangler at that point and drove away without ever
>
> looking
>
>>>back. Since that was not an option, we finally worked the truck off onto
>>>what there is of a shoulder and attempted to call Uhaul for assistance.
>>>Without cell phone service in that area however, there was nothing I
>
> could
>
>>>do. About an hour later a truck driver stopped to help and towed the
>
> Uhaul
>
>>>over the Continental Divide.
>>>
>>><SNIP>
>>>
>>>While not quite as bad since we were coming off the mountain, the dozen
>
> or
>
>>>so mountain passes that we had just climbed were no fun going over from
>
> the
>
>>>opposite direction. The automatic transmission offered no engine
>
> braking,
>
>>>and the truck constantly tried to run away coming down the grades. My
>
> wife
>
>>>(in her Jeep Cherokee behind me) had to back off because her eyes were
>>>watering from the fumes generated by my burning brakes.
>>>----------------------------------------
>>>
>>>i may post the entire letter at a later time, but that gives you a
>
> sample of
>
>>>the problems we had along the way. prior to trying I-90, we attempted to
>>>take 200 into great falls and had to be pulled over the grades outside
>
> of
>
>>>belt because the truck just didnt have the ***** to pull itself. im
>>>referencing the first grade just past eddies corner, it didnt even make
>
> it
>
>>>to the steeper grades at belt.
>>>
>>>by the time we got into montana, the wifey hated it (due to all the
>
> problems
>
>>>along the way). with tears in her eyes she begged me "please take me
>
> home,
>
>>>nathan" so thats just what i did. there was no reasoning, there was no
>
> point
>
>>>in even trying as i could see it in her eyes that i had no choice. now
>
> im
>
>>>stuck here again in this same house in this same -----hole neighborhood
>
> in
>
>>>this same -----hole state with the only difference being that now im
>
> roughly
>
>>>$5,000 poorer than i was a few weeks ago. "luckily" the house didnt
>
> close
>
>>>when it was supposed to which made it possible for me to break the
>
> selling
>
>>>contract without fear of suit, but i refunded the buyers expenses
>
> (roughly
>
>>>$600 for home inspection, mortgage fees, termite inspection, etc.)
>
> anyway.
>
>>>there are a few things i learned along the way.
>>>1) iowa is one huge cornfield with a road going down the middle
>>>2) fill up in des moines because you wont find gas again
>>>3) ever other car in indiana is a highway patrolman
>>>4) minnesota is beautiful, particularly around alexandria
>>>5) north dakota has free internet access at rest stops!
>>>6) sadly, the indians on the crow reservation live up to their
>
> stereotyping
>
>>>7) uhaul does very bad business
>>>
>>>to make it worse, while parked outside of my hotel room in illinois the
>
> cab
>
>>>of the uhaul got broken into (even though everything was hidden behind
>
> the
>
>>>seat). they got my laptop (ancient anyway, but still), my digi-cam, my
>
> gps,
>
>>>and my cobra cb that i just bought before the trip.
>>>
>>>at this point im not sure what our next step will be. im not happy in
>
> north
>
>>>carolina, but we need to regroup before we consider another move. i
>>>absolutely loved montana, but its going to take some convincing before
>
> the
>
>>>wifey will try that again. no amount of description or even pictures
>
> can
>
>>>prepare you for the awesome, rugged beauty of montana and i know ill
>
> make it
>
>>>back.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>What a ------- LOSER you are. Whenever you're here you make this whole
>>newsgroup revolve around you and your lame, stupid problems. Waaaah!
>>Chrysler's suing me! Waaaaah! Uhaul gave me an obviously ----ed up truck
>>but I didn't want to suck it up and do it right! Waaaaaaaah! You cheap,
>>dumb, ------- bastard! What you put your wife through to save a few
>>bucks and do it your self!
>>
>>You could have paid a REAL moving company but NOOOOOOOOO...
>>
>>Don't blame the return on her. YOU wanted to go back. The smart thing
>>would have been to say "Honey, we made it this far. We gotta stick it
>>out." That's what hardy pionerrs would have done.
>>
>>But you chickened out. Your wife puts up with all your childish
>>--------. All the crap you spring on her and she lets you. But now SHE
>>is the one to blame for your return? Eventually one day she'll wise up.
>>Now get the ---- out of here. I want to read about Jeeps, not the latest
>>god damned Nathan Collier soap opera.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Who the hell are *you*?
As they say in the radio biz: "Long time listener, first time caller"
I'm an American citizen exercising my Right to Free Speech. I also have
a very sensitive -------- Detector.And since y'all think it's peachy
keen to not talk about jeeps so much, I've picked another subject:
Nathan's major PUSS-OUT.
And from some of the responses, looks likeI'm not the only one who's a
little sick of this newsgroup revolving around him. Although, for his
sake, I'm willing to extend that phenomemena for a little while more.
>
> "Jeffrey Leonard" <jeffl@quasi.net> wrote in message
> news:bfl8e3$qm7$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>>
>>
>>>i dont really know where to begin to explain the sequence of events that
>>>took place over the past couple of weeks. it started with picking up a
>
> uhaul
>
>>>truck in fayetteville, nc and returning it in fayetteville, nc some 14
>
> days
>
>>>later.
>>>
>>>the truck i was given was not the truck i reserved 3 weeks prior, and i
>>>could not get a satisfactory response from any uhaul representative. i
>>>reserved a diesel powered 26' "super mover", but what i got instead was
>
> an
>
>>>82 model underpowered gas truck that was missing most of its dash and
>
> had
>
>>>loose/exposed wiring that rubbed against your leg. when i tried to push
>
> the
>
>>>wiring back into the dash, the truck would knock off. since we were out
>
> of
>
>>>time i decided to make the best of it hoping it would make the trip.
>>>
>>>aside from endless breakdowns along the way (most of which i had to
>
> repair
>
>>>myself for various reasons), the real troubles started in the rocky
>>>mountains.
>>>
>>>ive written a 7 page letter to uhaul and here is one small section of
>
> that
>
>>>letter that explains the straw that broke the camels back:
>>>
>>>------------------------
>>>The truck did "ok" up I-94. It was a real tease to see just how
>
> beautiful
>
>>>Montana really is and despite all the troubles I'd had along the way, I
>
> was
>
>>>still just happy to finally be in "Big Sky Country". When I-94 and I-90
>>>came together my happiness of being in Montana was quickly replaced by
>
> fear,
>
>>>apprehension, and anger once again. Bozeman Pass was a nightmare, as
>
> well
>
>>>as all the other "passes" along the way between Billings and Butte.
>
> Passing
>
>>>signs that read "Chain Up Area 1/2 Mile" struck fear in me as I quickly
>
> came
>
>>>to learn that those signs meant another steep grade that I might or
>
> might
>
>>>not make. The truck would downshift, backfire, downshift, etc. until it
>>>dropped into 1st. gear where it would drop to 4 mph screaming as it
>
> crawled
>
>>>along impeding traffic. It was around Bozeman Pass that I had to explain
>
> to
>
>>>my 10 year old why so many people were honking and flipping us off as
>
> they
>
>>>finally worked their way around us.
>>>
>>>The grade that changed everything was the Continental Divide (the first
>
> time
>
>>>you cross it heading towards Great Falls). The truck screamed until it
>
> came
>
>>>to a total stop not even 1 mile into the climb where it sat there and
>>>"moaned" but would not move. I got out of the truck (stopped in the
>
> middle
>
>>>of the interstate!) and backed my Jeep Wrangler off the auto transport
>>>trailer hoping that would be enough to get the truck going again. The
>
> truck
>
>>>moved less than 100 feet before it came to a dead stop again. If
>
> everything
>
>>>we owned had not been in the back of the Uhaul truck I think I would
>
> have
>
>>>got in my Jeep Wrangler at that point and drove away without ever
>
> looking
>
>>>back. Since that was not an option, we finally worked the truck off onto
>>>what there is of a shoulder and attempted to call Uhaul for assistance.
>>>Without cell phone service in that area however, there was nothing I
>
> could
>
>>>do. About an hour later a truck driver stopped to help and towed the
>
> Uhaul
>
>>>over the Continental Divide.
>>>
>>><SNIP>
>>>
>>>While not quite as bad since we were coming off the mountain, the dozen
>
> or
>
>>>so mountain passes that we had just climbed were no fun going over from
>
> the
>
>>>opposite direction. The automatic transmission offered no engine
>
> braking,
>
>>>and the truck constantly tried to run away coming down the grades. My
>
> wife
>
>>>(in her Jeep Cherokee behind me) had to back off because her eyes were
>>>watering from the fumes generated by my burning brakes.
>>>----------------------------------------
>>>
>>>i may post the entire letter at a later time, but that gives you a
>
> sample of
>
>>>the problems we had along the way. prior to trying I-90, we attempted to
>>>take 200 into great falls and had to be pulled over the grades outside
>
> of
>
>>>belt because the truck just didnt have the ***** to pull itself. im
>>>referencing the first grade just past eddies corner, it didnt even make
>
> it
>
>>>to the steeper grades at belt.
>>>
>>>by the time we got into montana, the wifey hated it (due to all the
>
> problems
>
>>>along the way). with tears in her eyes she begged me "please take me
>
> home,
>
>>>nathan" so thats just what i did. there was no reasoning, there was no
>
> point
>
>>>in even trying as i could see it in her eyes that i had no choice. now
>
> im
>
>>>stuck here again in this same house in this same -----hole neighborhood
>
> in
>
>>>this same -----hole state with the only difference being that now im
>
> roughly
>
>>>$5,000 poorer than i was a few weeks ago. "luckily" the house didnt
>
> close
>
>>>when it was supposed to which made it possible for me to break the
>
> selling
>
>>>contract without fear of suit, but i refunded the buyers expenses
>
> (roughly
>
>>>$600 for home inspection, mortgage fees, termite inspection, etc.)
>
> anyway.
>
>>>there are a few things i learned along the way.
>>>1) iowa is one huge cornfield with a road going down the middle
>>>2) fill up in des moines because you wont find gas again
>>>3) ever other car in indiana is a highway patrolman
>>>4) minnesota is beautiful, particularly around alexandria
>>>5) north dakota has free internet access at rest stops!
>>>6) sadly, the indians on the crow reservation live up to their
>
> stereotyping
>
>>>7) uhaul does very bad business
>>>
>>>to make it worse, while parked outside of my hotel room in illinois the
>
> cab
>
>>>of the uhaul got broken into (even though everything was hidden behind
>
> the
>
>>>seat). they got my laptop (ancient anyway, but still), my digi-cam, my
>
> gps,
>
>>>and my cobra cb that i just bought before the trip.
>>>
>>>at this point im not sure what our next step will be. im not happy in
>
> north
>
>>>carolina, but we need to regroup before we consider another move. i
>>>absolutely loved montana, but its going to take some convincing before
>
> the
>
>>>wifey will try that again. no amount of description or even pictures
>
> can
>
>>>prepare you for the awesome, rugged beauty of montana and i know ill
>
> make it
>
>>>back.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>What a ------- LOSER you are. Whenever you're here you make this whole
>>newsgroup revolve around you and your lame, stupid problems. Waaaah!
>>Chrysler's suing me! Waaaaah! Uhaul gave me an obviously ----ed up truck
>>but I didn't want to suck it up and do it right! Waaaaaaaah! You cheap,
>>dumb, ------- bastard! What you put your wife through to save a few
>>bucks and do it your self!
>>
>>You could have paid a REAL moving company but NOOOOOOOOO...
>>
>>Don't blame the return on her. YOU wanted to go back. The smart thing
>>would have been to say "Honey, we made it this far. We gotta stick it
>>out." That's what hardy pionerrs would have done.
>>
>>But you chickened out. Your wife puts up with all your childish
>>--------. All the crap you spring on her and she lets you. But now SHE
>>is the one to blame for your return? Eventually one day she'll wise up.
>>Now get the ---- out of here. I want to read about Jeeps, not the latest
>>god damned Nathan Collier soap opera.
>>
>>
>
>
>
07-23-2003, 06:14 PM
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Re: the whining loser is back
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> This from a loser whom hasn't the ***** to use she real name for
> this troll.
I'm using my real name, you dumb ----.
> Forwarded to abuse@news.alt.net for charter language
> violation.
Oh, another nutless Netkkkop. Like it's going to do anything. Do you
ever send complaints for other people's "language violations", you
hypocrite?
This reeks of your last attempt and threat to get someone booted because
you mistakenly thought they were "spamming". Are you a professional
-------, or is it just a hobby of yours?
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> This from a loser whom hasn't the ***** to use she real name for
> this troll.
I'm using my real name, you dumb ----.
> Forwarded to abuse@news.alt.net for charter language
> violation.
Oh, another nutless Netkkkop. Like it's going to do anything. Do you
ever send complaints for other people's "language violations", you
hypocrite?
This reeks of your last attempt and threat to get someone booted because
you mistakenly thought they were "spamming". Are you a professional
-------, or is it just a hobby of yours?
>
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