Jeff Olsen

Too much money!! I paid that for my '97 TJ a year ago, and it has the
4.0L engine, hard top, AC, sound bar, and was in near-mint condition with
67K miles.

The 4.0L engine in a MUST in my opinion unless you are just going to use
it for off-road in which case the 4-banger is reputed to work fine. But
it's a fun vehicle to drive with the 4.0L, and with 10K to spend you
should be able to find a good one with a 4.0L engine!

-jeff

In <bqtpa3$3u4$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu> Steve <scorenfl@disinclude.indiana.edu> writes:

> Hi. I'm a college student in Indiana. I've been driving a little '95
>Nissan Pickup for the last six years. After being told by my girlfriend
>that trucks "weren't sexy" I thought about looking around at new cars (ok,
>that and the fact I've kinda done the truck in).
> I've found a 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ, I believe?) SE. It's the SE, so
>it's got the small 4-cylinder engine, soft top, no air--pretty much your
>typical bare-bones Jeep. Oh, it has real roll-up windows as opposed to the
>clear plastic ones too, if that's not a given. It's had chrome covers
>added to the lights and custom wheels put on it as the only modifications.
>It has 32,000 miles, which is lower than the 65,000 miles Kelly Blue Book
>says a '99 should have. He's trying to sell it to me for $9,850. It's in
>excellent condition.
> This would obviously be my first Jeep, and I'm curious whether or not
>you guys can help me make a decision on whether or not I should buy it.
>I'm a bit worried about potential roll-over and how much I'm going to have
>to slow down on curves, how cold it might get in the winter with a soft
>top, and other quirks of having a Jeep I'd want to know about before I
>commit. I've also been told by one person that a 4 cylinder isn't going to
>have enough power.
> I'm not into off-roading at the moment and I'm not sure if I actually
>would be. However, I do want something 4wd, and I do several things (rock
>climbing, caving, etc) where the Jeepness of it might be useful.
> That's as much details as I can think of. If you have any other
>questions let me know. I'm just looking for feedback on whether it's a
>good price and whether or not I might be getting in over my head owning a
>Jeep. I have one very, very Jeep-enthusiastic friend who thinks it would
>be heresy for me to own a Jeep without plans to take it offroading, so I
>apologize for that.

>--
>Steve

Fred W.

Contrary to what Jeff O. says, the price that the PO is asking is exactly
what it should be for a private party sale.
Wholesale on that Jeep is $8500, Retail is $10,500. Private party sale
price should be just about halfway between these 2 figures, or $9500. The
wheels may up the price a bit, I did not account for them.

If he can supply you with complete service records and it looks well cared
for, go for it. But be forwarned, once you enter the Jeep world, there is
no turning back! You *will* end up driving it off road, and then because
you enjoy it so much you'll end up modifying and fixing up a few things here
and there for an even better off-road experience. It gets into your blood.
You'll start waving at other Jeep drivers (short wheelbase models only of
course) It's addictive, I tell you...

WRT the Roll Over issue: It won't unless you try to drive it like a sports
car. But it isn't, so you won't, and it won't roll over (on the road at
least, what you do off-road is up to you!!).

WRT the soft top being cold, turn up the heater. The heaters in modern
Jeeps are pretty darn good. If it's really cold put on a jacket. You could
even get a hardtop if you really want one though they are certainly not
mandatory. I have one on my Wrangler because we live in New Hampshire and
it's a bit easier to clear the snow off in the mornings with the HT.

WRT no AC. Huh? I thought you said it was a soft top. There's your AC,
lad. Pull down the top, yank off the doors, toss in your gear and head for
the caves, or the mountains or whatever it is that you want to do. No
sweat!

My advice? Buy the Jeep. You will NOT regret it...

-Fred W
'97 TJ

"Jeff Olsen" <jeffo@efn.org> wrote in message
news:br6cr8$cng@garcia.efn.org...
> Too much money!! I paid that for my '97 TJ a year ago, and it has the
> 4.0L engine, hard top, AC, sound bar, and was in near-mint condition with
> 67K miles.
>
> The 4.0L engine in a MUST in my opinion unless you are just going to use
> it for off-road in which case the 4-banger is reputed to work fine. But
> it's a fun vehicle to drive with the 4.0L, and with 10K to spend you
> should be able to find a good one with a 4.0L engine!
>
> -jeff
>
> In <bqtpa3$3u4$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu> Steve
<scorenfl@disinclude.indiana.edu> writes:
>
> > Hi. I'm a college student in Indiana. I've been driving a little '95
> >Nissan Pickup for the last six years. After being told by my girlfriend
> >that trucks "weren't sexy" I thought about looking around at new cars
(ok,
> >that and the fact I've kinda done the truck in).
> > I've found a 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ, I believe?) SE. It's the SE, so
> >it's got the small 4-cylinder engine, soft top, no air--pretty much your
> >typical bare-bones Jeep. Oh, it has real roll-up windows as opposed to
the
> >clear plastic ones too, if that's not a given. It's had chrome covers
> >added to the lights and custom wheels put on it as the only
modifications.
> >It has 32,000 miles, which is lower than the 65,000 miles Kelly Blue Book
> >says a '99 should have. He's trying to sell it to me for $9,850. It's in
> >excellent condition.
> > This would obviously be my first Jeep, and I'm curious whether or not
> >you guys can help me make a decision on whether or not I should buy it.
> >I'm a bit worried about potential roll-over and how much I'm going to
have
> >to slow down on curves, how cold it might get in the winter with a soft
> >top, and other quirks of having a Jeep I'd want to know about before I
> >commit. I've also been told by one person that a 4 cylinder isn't going
to
> >have enough power.
> > I'm not into off-roading at the moment and I'm not sure if I actually
> >would be. However, I do want something 4wd, and I do several things (rock
> >climbing, caving, etc) where the Jeepness of it might be useful.
> > That's as much details as I can think of. If you have any other
> >questions let me know. I'm just looking for feedback on whether it's a
> >good price and whether or not I might be getting in over my head owning a
> >Jeep. I have one very, very Jeep-enthusiastic friend who thinks it would
> >be heresy for me to own a Jeep without plans to take it offroading, so I
> >apologize for that.
>
> >--
> >Steve
>

Fred W.

Contrary to what Jeff O. says, the price that the PO is asking is exactly
what it should be for a private party sale.
Wholesale on that Jeep is $8500, Retail is $10,500. Private party sale
price should be just about halfway between these 2 figures, or $9500. The
wheels may up the price a bit, I did not account for them.

If he can supply you with complete service records and it looks well cared
for, go for it. But be forwarned, once you enter the Jeep world, there is
no turning back! You *will* end up driving it off road, and then because
you enjoy it so much you'll end up modifying and fixing up a few things here
and there for an even better off-road experience. It gets into your blood.
You'll start waving at other Jeep drivers (short wheelbase models only of
course) It's addictive, I tell you...

WRT the Roll Over issue: It won't unless you try to drive it like a sports
car. But it isn't, so you won't, and it won't roll over (on the road at
least, what you do off-road is up to you!!).

WRT the soft top being cold, turn up the heater. The heaters in modern
Jeeps are pretty darn good. If it's really cold put on a jacket. You could
even get a hardtop if you really want one though they are certainly not
mandatory. I have one on my Wrangler because we live in New Hampshire and
it's a bit easier to clear the snow off in the mornings with the HT.

WRT no AC. Huh? I thought you said it was a soft top. There's your AC,
lad. Pull down the top, yank off the doors, toss in your gear and head for
the caves, or the mountains or whatever it is that you want to do. No
sweat!

My advice? Buy the Jeep. You will NOT regret it...

-Fred W
'97 TJ

"Jeff Olsen" <jeffo@efn.org> wrote in message
news:br6cr8$cng@garcia.efn.org...
> Too much money!! I paid that for my '97 TJ a year ago, and it has the
> 4.0L engine, hard top, AC, sound bar, and was in near-mint condition with
> 67K miles.
>
> The 4.0L engine in a MUST in my opinion unless you are just going to use
> it for off-road in which case the 4-banger is reputed to work fine. But
> it's a fun vehicle to drive with the 4.0L, and with 10K to spend you
> should be able to find a good one with a 4.0L engine!
>
> -jeff
>
> In <bqtpa3$3u4$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu> Steve
<scorenfl@disinclude.indiana.edu> writes:
>
> > Hi. I'm a college student in Indiana. I've been driving a little '95
> >Nissan Pickup for the last six years. After being told by my girlfriend
> >that trucks "weren't sexy" I thought about looking around at new cars
(ok,
> >that and the fact I've kinda done the truck in).
> > I've found a 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ, I believe?) SE. It's the SE, so
> >it's got the small 4-cylinder engine, soft top, no air--pretty much your
> >typical bare-bones Jeep. Oh, it has real roll-up windows as opposed to
the
> >clear plastic ones too, if that's not a given. It's had chrome covers
> >added to the lights and custom wheels put on it as the only
modifications.
> >It has 32,000 miles, which is lower than the 65,000 miles Kelly Blue Book
> >says a '99 should have. He's trying to sell it to me for $9,850. It's in
> >excellent condition.
> > This would obviously be my first Jeep, and I'm curious whether or not
> >you guys can help me make a decision on whether or not I should buy it.
> >I'm a bit worried about potential roll-over and how much I'm going to
have
> >to slow down on curves, how cold it might get in the winter with a soft
> >top, and other quirks of having a Jeep I'd want to know about before I
> >commit. I've also been told by one person that a 4 cylinder isn't going
to
> >have enough power.
> > I'm not into off-roading at the moment and I'm not sure if I actually
> >would be. However, I do want something 4wd, and I do several things (rock
> >climbing, caving, etc) where the Jeepness of it might be useful.
> > That's as much details as I can think of. If you have any other
> >questions let me know. I'm just looking for feedback on whether it's a
> >good price and whether or not I might be getting in over my head owning a
> >Jeep. I have one very, very Jeep-enthusiastic friend who thinks it would
> >be heresy for me to own a Jeep without plans to take it offroading, so I
> >apologize for that.
>
> >--
> >Steve
>

Fred W.

Contrary to what Jeff O. says, the price that the PO is asking is exactly
what it should be for a private party sale.
Wholesale on that Jeep is $8500, Retail is $10,500. Private party sale
price should be just about halfway between these 2 figures, or $9500. The
wheels may up the price a bit, I did not account for them.

If he can supply you with complete service records and it looks well cared
for, go for it. But be forwarned, once you enter the Jeep world, there is
no turning back! You *will* end up driving it off road, and then because
you enjoy it so much you'll end up modifying and fixing up a few things here
and there for an even better off-road experience. It gets into your blood.
You'll start waving at other Jeep drivers (short wheelbase models only of
course) It's addictive, I tell you...

WRT the Roll Over issue: It won't unless you try to drive it like a sports
car. But it isn't, so you won't, and it won't roll over (on the road at
least, what you do off-road is up to you!!).

WRT the soft top being cold, turn up the heater. The heaters in modern
Jeeps are pretty darn good. If it's really cold put on a jacket. You could
even get a hardtop if you really want one though they are certainly not
mandatory. I have one on my Wrangler because we live in New Hampshire and
it's a bit easier to clear the snow off in the mornings with the HT.

WRT no AC. Huh? I thought you said it was a soft top. There's your AC,
lad. Pull down the top, yank off the doors, toss in your gear and head for
the caves, or the mountains or whatever it is that you want to do. No
sweat!

My advice? Buy the Jeep. You will NOT regret it...

-Fred W
'97 TJ

"Jeff Olsen" <jeffo@efn.org> wrote in message
news:br6cr8$cng@garcia.efn.org...
> Too much money!! I paid that for my '97 TJ a year ago, and it has the
> 4.0L engine, hard top, AC, sound bar, and was in near-mint condition with
> 67K miles.
>
> The 4.0L engine in a MUST in my opinion unless you are just going to use
> it for off-road in which case the 4-banger is reputed to work fine. But
> it's a fun vehicle to drive with the 4.0L, and with 10K to spend you
> should be able to find a good one with a 4.0L engine!
>
> -jeff
>
> In <bqtpa3$3u4$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu> Steve
<scorenfl@disinclude.indiana.edu> writes:
>
> > Hi. I'm a college student in Indiana. I've been driving a little '95
> >Nissan Pickup for the last six years. After being told by my girlfriend
> >that trucks "weren't sexy" I thought about looking around at new cars
(ok,
> >that and the fact I've kinda done the truck in).
> > I've found a 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ, I believe?) SE. It's the SE, so
> >it's got the small 4-cylinder engine, soft top, no air--pretty much your
> >typical bare-bones Jeep. Oh, it has real roll-up windows as opposed to
the
> >clear plastic ones too, if that's not a given. It's had chrome covers
> >added to the lights and custom wheels put on it as the only
modifications.
> >It has 32,000 miles, which is lower than the 65,000 miles Kelly Blue Book
> >says a '99 should have. He's trying to sell it to me for $9,850. It's in
> >excellent condition.
> > This would obviously be my first Jeep, and I'm curious whether or not
> >you guys can help me make a decision on whether or not I should buy it.
> >I'm a bit worried about potential roll-over and how much I'm going to
have
> >to slow down on curves, how cold it might get in the winter with a soft
> >top, and other quirks of having a Jeep I'd want to know about before I
> >commit. I've also been told by one person that a 4 cylinder isn't going
to
> >have enough power.
> > I'm not into off-roading at the moment and I'm not sure if I actually
> >would be. However, I do want something 4wd, and I do several things (rock
> >climbing, caving, etc) where the Jeepness of it might be useful.
> > That's as much details as I can think of. If you have any other
> >questions let me know. I'm just looking for feedback on whether it's a
> >good price and whether or not I might be getting in over my head owning a
> >Jeep. I have one very, very Jeep-enthusiastic friend who thinks it would
> >be heresy for me to own a Jeep without plans to take it offroading, so I
> >apologize for that.
>
> >--
> >Steve
>

FrankW

> WRT no AC. Huh? I thought you said it was a soft top. There's your AC,
> lad. Pull down the top, yank off the doors, toss in your gear and head for
> the caves, or the mountains or whatever it is that you want to do. No
> sweat!

Ya I got the 2-50 Air Conditioner option

2 doors off at 50MPH :-)




>
> My advice? Buy the Jeep. You will NOT regret it...
>
> -Fred W
> '97 TJ
>
> "Jeff Olsen" <jeffo@efn.org> wrote in message
> news:br6cr8$cng@garcia.efn.org...
>
>>Too much money!! I paid that for my '97 TJ a year ago, and it has the
>>4.0L engine, hard top, AC, sound bar, and was in near-mint condition with
>>67K miles.
>>
>>The 4.0L engine in a MUST in my opinion unless you are just going to use
>>it for off-road in which case the 4-banger is reputed to work fine. But
>>it's a fun vehicle to drive with the 4.0L, and with 10K to spend you
>>should be able to find a good one with a 4.0L engine!
>>
>>-jeff
>>
>>In <bqtpa3$3u4$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu> Steve
>
> <scorenfl@disinclude.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>>> Hi. I'm a college student in Indiana. I've been driving a little '95
>>>Nissan Pickup for the last six years. After being told by my girlfriend
>>>that trucks "weren't sexy" I thought about looking around at new cars
>
> (ok,
>
>>>that and the fact I've kinda done the truck in).
>>> I've found a 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ, I believe?) SE. It's the SE, so
>>>it's got the small 4-cylinder engine, soft top, no air--pretty much your
>>>typical bare-bones Jeep. Oh, it has real roll-up windows as opposed to
>
> the
>
>>>clear plastic ones too, if that's not a given. It's had chrome covers
>>>added to the lights and custom wheels put on it as the only
>
> modifications.
>
>>>It has 32,000 miles, which is lower than the 65,000 miles Kelly Blue Book
>>>says a '99 should have. He's trying to sell it to me for $9,850. It's in
>>>excellent condition.
>>> This would obviously be my first Jeep, and I'm curious whether or not
>>>you guys can help me make a decision on whether or not I should buy it.
>>>I'm a bit worried about potential roll-over and how much I'm going to
>
> have
>
>>>to slow down on curves, how cold it might get in the winter with a soft
>>>top, and other quirks of having a Jeep I'd want to know about before I
>>>commit. I've also been told by one person that a 4 cylinder isn't going
>
> to
>
>>>have enough power.
>>> I'm not into off-roading at the moment and I'm not sure if I actually
>>>would be. However, I do want something 4wd, and I do several things (rock
>>>climbing, caving, etc) where the Jeepness of it might be useful.
>>> That's as much details as I can think of. If you have any other
>>>questions let me know. I'm just looking for feedback on whether it's a
>>>good price and whether or not I might be getting in over my head owning a
>>>Jeep. I have one very, very Jeep-enthusiastic friend who thinks it would
>>>be heresy for me to own a Jeep without plans to take it offroading, so I
>>>apologize for that.
>>
>>>--
>>>Steve
>>
>
>

FrankW

> WRT no AC. Huh? I thought you said it was a soft top. There's your AC,
> lad. Pull down the top, yank off the doors, toss in your gear and head for
> the caves, or the mountains or whatever it is that you want to do. No
> sweat!

Ya I got the 2-50 Air Conditioner option

2 doors off at 50MPH :-)




>
> My advice? Buy the Jeep. You will NOT regret it...
>
> -Fred W
> '97 TJ
>
> "Jeff Olsen" <jeffo@efn.org> wrote in message
> news:br6cr8$cng@garcia.efn.org...
>
>>Too much money!! I paid that for my '97 TJ a year ago, and it has the
>>4.0L engine, hard top, AC, sound bar, and was in near-mint condition with
>>67K miles.
>>
>>The 4.0L engine in a MUST in my opinion unless you are just going to use
>>it for off-road in which case the 4-banger is reputed to work fine. But
>>it's a fun vehicle to drive with the 4.0L, and with 10K to spend you
>>should be able to find a good one with a 4.0L engine!
>>
>>-jeff
>>
>>In <bqtpa3$3u4$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu> Steve
>
> <scorenfl@disinclude.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>>> Hi. I'm a college student in Indiana. I've been driving a little '95
>>>Nissan Pickup for the last six years. After being told by my girlfriend
>>>that trucks "weren't sexy" I thought about looking around at new cars
>
> (ok,
>
>>>that and the fact I've kinda done the truck in).
>>> I've found a 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ, I believe?) SE. It's the SE, so
>>>it's got the small 4-cylinder engine, soft top, no air--pretty much your
>>>typical bare-bones Jeep. Oh, it has real roll-up windows as opposed to
>
> the
>
>>>clear plastic ones too, if that's not a given. It's had chrome covers
>>>added to the lights and custom wheels put on it as the only
>
> modifications.
>
>>>It has 32,000 miles, which is lower than the 65,000 miles Kelly Blue Book
>>>says a '99 should have. He's trying to sell it to me for $9,850. It's in
>>>excellent condition.
>>> This would obviously be my first Jeep, and I'm curious whether or not
>>>you guys can help me make a decision on whether or not I should buy it.
>>>I'm a bit worried about potential roll-over and how much I'm going to
>
> have
>
>>>to slow down on curves, how cold it might get in the winter with a soft
>>>top, and other quirks of having a Jeep I'd want to know about before I
>>>commit. I've also been told by one person that a 4 cylinder isn't going
>
> to
>
>>>have enough power.
>>> I'm not into off-roading at the moment and I'm not sure if I actually
>>>would be. However, I do want something 4wd, and I do several things (rock
>>>climbing, caving, etc) where the Jeepness of it might be useful.
>>> That's as much details as I can think of. If you have any other
>>>questions let me know. I'm just looking for feedback on whether it's a
>>>good price and whether or not I might be getting in over my head owning a
>>>Jeep. I have one very, very Jeep-enthusiastic friend who thinks it would
>>>be heresy for me to own a Jeep without plans to take it offroading, so I
>>>apologize for that.
>>
>>>--
>>>Steve
>>
>
>

FrankW

> WRT no AC. Huh? I thought you said it was a soft top. There's your AC,
> lad. Pull down the top, yank off the doors, toss in your gear and head for
> the caves, or the mountains or whatever it is that you want to do. No
> sweat!

Ya I got the 2-50 Air Conditioner option

2 doors off at 50MPH :-)




>
> My advice? Buy the Jeep. You will NOT regret it...
>
> -Fred W
> '97 TJ
>
> "Jeff Olsen" <jeffo@efn.org> wrote in message
> news:br6cr8$cng@garcia.efn.org...
>
>>Too much money!! I paid that for my '97 TJ a year ago, and it has the
>>4.0L engine, hard top, AC, sound bar, and was in near-mint condition with
>>67K miles.
>>
>>The 4.0L engine in a MUST in my opinion unless you are just going to use
>>it for off-road in which case the 4-banger is reputed to work fine. But
>>it's a fun vehicle to drive with the 4.0L, and with 10K to spend you
>>should be able to find a good one with a 4.0L engine!
>>
>>-jeff
>>
>>In <bqtpa3$3u4$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu> Steve
>
> <scorenfl@disinclude.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>>> Hi. I'm a college student in Indiana. I've been driving a little '95
>>>Nissan Pickup for the last six years. After being told by my girlfriend
>>>that trucks "weren't sexy" I thought about looking around at new cars
>
> (ok,
>
>>>that and the fact I've kinda done the truck in).
>>> I've found a 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ, I believe?) SE. It's the SE, so
>>>it's got the small 4-cylinder engine, soft top, no air--pretty much your
>>>typical bare-bones Jeep. Oh, it has real roll-up windows as opposed to
>
> the
>
>>>clear plastic ones too, if that's not a given. It's had chrome covers
>>>added to the lights and custom wheels put on it as the only
>
> modifications.
>
>>>It has 32,000 miles, which is lower than the 65,000 miles Kelly Blue Book
>>>says a '99 should have. He's trying to sell it to me for $9,850. It's in
>>>excellent condition.
>>> This would obviously be my first Jeep, and I'm curious whether or not
>>>you guys can help me make a decision on whether or not I should buy it.
>>>I'm a bit worried about potential roll-over and how much I'm going to
>
> have
>
>>>to slow down on curves, how cold it might get in the winter with a soft
>>>top, and other quirks of having a Jeep I'd want to know about before I
>>>commit. I've also been told by one person that a 4 cylinder isn't going
>
> to
>
>>>have enough power.
>>> I'm not into off-roading at the moment and I'm not sure if I actually
>>>would be. However, I do want something 4wd, and I do several things (rock
>>>climbing, caving, etc) where the Jeepness of it might be useful.
>>> That's as much details as I can think of. If you have any other
>>>questions let me know. I'm just looking for feedback on whether it's a
>>>good price and whether or not I might be getting in over my head owning a
>>>Jeep. I have one very, very Jeep-enthusiastic friend who thinks it would
>>>be heresy for me to own a Jeep without plans to take it offroading, so I
>>>apologize for that.
>>
>>>--
>>>Steve
>>
>
>

twaldron

Upgrade to the 2-80. Better cooling and air flow.

FrankW wrote:
> Ya I got the 2-50 Air Conditioner option
>
> 2 doors off at 50MPH :-)


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)

"I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
a woman."
-- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)

__________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

Upgrade to the 2-80. Better cooling and air flow.

FrankW wrote:
> Ya I got the 2-50 Air Conditioner option
>
> 2 doors off at 50MPH :-)


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)

"I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
a woman."
-- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)

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twaldron

Upgrade to the 2-80. Better cooling and air flow.

FrankW wrote:
> Ya I got the 2-50 Air Conditioner option
>
> 2 doors off at 50MPH :-)


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tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)

"I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
a woman."
-- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)

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