Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Fred W." wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> > You are looking to get killed sir.
> >
> > Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> > Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> > vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
> >
> > Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> > avoid hitting you.
> >
> > I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> > 'pea soup' fog is.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
> Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
> and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
> lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
> but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to see
> where you are going.
>
> There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
> the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
> sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
> reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.
>
> The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder for
> other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they would
> ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
> foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
> near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
> that kind of conditions
>
> But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public in
> the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
> misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the driver
> believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
> for the very reason you mentioned above.
>
> -Fred W
I have had near misses with dorks only running fogs thinking they can
see so damn good they can run up the middle of the road.
They have no clue they are out driving the safety factor on their
lights.
And i personally find it easier on the eyes from glare when the fogs
come on beside the low beams 'in heavy fog'.
Mike
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> > You are looking to get killed sir.
> >
> > Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> > Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> > vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
> >
> > Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> > avoid hitting you.
> >
> > I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> > 'pea soup' fog is.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
> Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
> and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
> lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
> but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to see
> where you are going.
>
> There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
> the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
> sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
> reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.
>
> The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder for
> other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they would
> ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
> foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
> near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
> that kind of conditions
>
> But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public in
> the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
> misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the driver
> believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
> for the very reason you mentioned above.
>
> -Fred W
I have had near misses with dorks only running fogs thinking they can
see so damn good they can run up the middle of the road.
They have no clue they are out driving the safety factor on their
lights.
And i personally find it easier on the eyes from glare when the fogs
come on beside the low beams 'in heavy fog'.
Mike
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"mabar" <mabar@NoSpamgrbonline.com> wrote in message
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> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or
eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the
light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking
lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
Not me. I leave the head lamps on and slow down.
Correct or not, it's the law. We all know what we do when confronted with
the law, but when asked in a public forum, what I do and what I say are not
necessarily the same thing. What I say is what I think the law says.
#83
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"mabar" <mabar@NoSpamgrbonline.com> wrote in message
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> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or
eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the
light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking
lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
Not me. I leave the head lamps on and slow down.
Correct or not, it's the law. We all know what we do when confronted with
the law, but when asked in a public forum, what I do and what I say are not
necessarily the same thing. What I say is what I think the law says.
#84
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"mabar" <mabar@NoSpamgrbonline.com> wrote in message
news:F6Kdnfz3XZCkdE3dRVn-sw@gbronline.com...
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or
eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the
light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking
lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
Not me. I leave the head lamps on and slow down.
Correct or not, it's the law. We all know what we do when confronted with
the law, but when asked in a public forum, what I do and what I say are not
necessarily the same thing. What I say is what I think the law says.
#85
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"mabar" <mabar@NoSpamgrbonline.com> wrote in message
news:F6Kdnfz3XZCkdE3dRVn-sw@gbronline.com...
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or
eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the
light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking
lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
Not me. I leave the head lamps on and slow down.
Correct or not, it's the law. We all know what we do when confronted with
the law, but when asked in a public forum, what I do and what I say are not
necessarily the same thing. What I say is what I think the law says.
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> > You are looking to get killed sir.
> >
> > Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> > Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> > vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
> >
> > Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> > avoid hitting you.
> >
> > I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> > 'pea soup' fog is.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
> Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
> and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
> lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
> but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to
see
> where you are going.
>
> There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
> the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
> sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
> reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.
>
> The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder
for
> other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they
would
> ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
> foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
> near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
> that kind of conditions
>
> But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public
in
> the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
> misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the
driver
> believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
> for the very reason you mentioned above.
>
Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce, if not completely eliminate, glare
from the low beams. If fog lamps worked better as a stand-alone lighting
source, then they would not be REQUIRED to be used in conjunction with the
low beams.
There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best when
used alone.
As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple think
they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see at
all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or watch
TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> > You are looking to get killed sir.
> >
> > Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> > Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> > vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
> >
> > Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> > avoid hitting you.
> >
> > I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> > 'pea soup' fog is.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
> Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
> and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
> lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
> but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to
see
> where you are going.
>
> There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
> the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
> sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
> reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.
>
> The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder
for
> other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they
would
> ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
> foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
> near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
> that kind of conditions
>
> But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public
in
> the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
> misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the
driver
> believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
> for the very reason you mentioned above.
>
Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce, if not completely eliminate, glare
from the low beams. If fog lamps worked better as a stand-alone lighting
source, then they would not be REQUIRED to be used in conjunction with the
low beams.
There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best when
used alone.
As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple think
they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see at
all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or watch
TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:aoKdnYDKes1pfkzdRVn-vw@adelphia.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> > You are looking to get killed sir.
> >
> > Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> > Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> > vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
> >
> > Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> > avoid hitting you.
> >
> > I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> > 'pea soup' fog is.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
> Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
> and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
> lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
> but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to
see
> where you are going.
>
> There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
> the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
> sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
> reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.
>
> The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder
for
> other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they
would
> ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
> foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
> near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
> that kind of conditions
>
> But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public
in
> the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
> misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the
driver
> believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
> for the very reason you mentioned above.
>
Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce, if not completely eliminate, glare
from the low beams. If fog lamps worked better as a stand-alone lighting
source, then they would not be REQUIRED to be used in conjunction with the
low beams.
There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best when
used alone.
As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple think
they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see at
all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or watch
TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:aoKdnYDKes1pfkzdRVn-vw@adelphia.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> > You are looking to get killed sir.
> >
> > Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> > Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> > vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
> >
> > Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> > avoid hitting you.
> >
> > I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> > 'pea soup' fog is.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
> Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
> and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
> lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
> but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to
see
> where you are going.
>
> There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
> the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
> sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
> reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.
>
> The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder
for
> other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they
would
> ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
> foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
> near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
> that kind of conditions
>
> But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public
in
> the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
> misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the
driver
> believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
> for the very reason you mentioned above.
>
Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce, if not completely eliminate, glare
from the low beams. If fog lamps worked better as a stand-alone lighting
source, then they would not be REQUIRED to be used in conjunction with the
low beams.
There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best when
used alone.
As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple think
they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see at
all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or watch
TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
#90
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
To "slow down" is our California's basic speed law:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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CRWLR wrote:
>
> Not me. I leave the head lamps on and slow down.
>
> Correct or not, it's the law. We all know what we do when confronted with
> the law, but when asked in a public forum, what I do and what I say are not
> necessarily the same thing. What I say is what I think the law says.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> Not me. I leave the head lamps on and slow down.
>
> Correct or not, it's the law. We all know what we do when confronted with
> the law, but when asked in a public forum, what I do and what I say are not
> necessarily the same thing. What I say is what I think the law says.