Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare of
the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction with
the low beams.
If fog lights worked best as a stand alone lighting system, then the
regulations that cover them would be such that the low beams would be
switched off if the fog lamps were switched on. Fog lamps are considered
auxiliary lighting for a reason.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D08664.DDBDF837@sympatico.ca...
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the
time.
> > > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> > foglights,but...
> > Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on
are a
> > useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have
lights
> > mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a
sharp
> > vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog
into
> > the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are
on
> > (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in
your
> > eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
> >
> > Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even
have
> > laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how
they
> > should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*.
I
> >
> > f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> > illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's
ability to
> > see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away
from
> > the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around
with
> > their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they
came
> > on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
> >
> > Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
> >
> > -Fred W
>
> I totally agree Fred, but.....
>
> The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
> best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
> running lights.
>
> Here is the But....
>
> The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
> Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
>
> The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
> bad side effect.
>
> The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
> beams.
>
> I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
> them on all the time, not that one should do that.
>
> Mike
the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction with
the low beams.
If fog lights worked best as a stand alone lighting system, then the
regulations that cover them would be such that the low beams would be
switched off if the fog lamps were switched on. Fog lamps are considered
auxiliary lighting for a reason.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D08664.DDBDF837@sympatico.ca...
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the
time.
> > > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> > foglights,but...
> > Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on
are a
> > useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have
lights
> > mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a
sharp
> > vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog
into
> > the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are
on
> > (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in
your
> > eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
> >
> > Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even
have
> > laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how
they
> > should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*.
I
> >
> > f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> > illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's
ability to
> > see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away
from
> > the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around
with
> > their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they
came
> > on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
> >
> > Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
> >
> > -Fred W
>
> I totally agree Fred, but.....
>
> The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
> best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
> running lights.
>
> Here is the But....
>
> The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
> Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
>
> The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
> bad side effect.
>
> The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
> beams.
>
> I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
> them on all the time, not that one should do that.
>
> Mike
#62
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
on - low beam headlights off.
Tom
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
of
> the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
with
> the low beams.
>
snip
the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
on - low beam headlights off.
Tom
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
of
> the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
with
> the low beams.
>
snip
#63
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
on - low beam headlights off.
Tom
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
of
> the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
with
> the low beams.
>
snip
the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
on - low beam headlights off.
Tom
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
of
> the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
with
> the low beams.
>
snip
#64
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
on - low beam headlights off.
Tom
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
of
> the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
with
> the low beams.
>
snip
the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
on - low beam headlights off.
Tom
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
of
> the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
with
> the low beams.
>
snip
#65
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
on - low beam headlights off.
Tom
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
of
> the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
with
> the low beams.
>
snip
the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
on - low beam headlights off.
Tom
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
of
> the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
with
> the low beams.
>
snip
#66
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
Except here in California it is against the law to drive with the
parking lights on: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25109.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
parking lights on: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25109.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
#67
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
Except here in California it is against the law to drive with the
parking lights on: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25109.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
parking lights on: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25109.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
#68
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
Except here in California it is against the law to drive with the
parking lights on: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25109.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
parking lights on: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25109.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
#69
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
Except here in California it is against the law to drive with the
parking lights on: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25109.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
parking lights on: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25109.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
You are looking to get killed sir.
Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
avoid hitting you.
I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
'pea soup' fog is.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> > Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
> of
> > the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
> with
> > the low beams.
> >
> snip
Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
avoid hitting you.
I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
'pea soup' fog is.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> > Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
> of
> > the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
> with
> > the low beams.
> >
> snip