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philthy 02-04-2007 09:44 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without

Ivan Jager wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan



philthy 02-04-2007 09:44 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without

Ivan Jager wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan



philthy 02-04-2007 09:44 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without

Ivan Jager wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan



Earle Horton 02-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or is
it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free and
accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
wow, that would be real safe.

Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot to
plug the fuse back in one time.

Earle

"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:45C5F13C.F376F00E@cac.net...
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it

has
> > ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> > manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> > appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything

bad
> > to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> > removed the fuse?
> >
> > On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> > experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> > There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> > chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> > stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> > pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> > handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But

I
> > thought it's worth asking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ivan

>




Earle Horton 02-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or is
it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free and
accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
wow, that would be real safe.

Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot to
plug the fuse back in one time.

Earle

"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:45C5F13C.F376F00E@cac.net...
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it

has
> > ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> > manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> > appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything

bad
> > to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> > removed the fuse?
> >
> > On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> > experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> > There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> > chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> > stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> > pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> > handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But

I
> > thought it's worth asking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ivan

>




Earle Horton 02-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or is
it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free and
accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
wow, that would be real safe.

Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot to
plug the fuse back in one time.

Earle

"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:45C5F13C.F376F00E@cac.net...
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it

has
> > ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> > manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> > appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything

bad
> > to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> > removed the fuse?
> >
> > On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> > experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> > There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> > chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> > stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> > pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> > handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But

I
> > thought it's worth asking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ivan

>




Earle Horton 02-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or is
it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free and
accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
wow, that would be real safe.

Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot to
plug the fuse back in one time.

Earle

"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:45C5F13C.F376F00E@cac.net...
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it

has
> > ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> > manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> > appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything

bad
> > to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> > removed the fuse?
> >
> > On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> > experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> > There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> > chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> > stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> > pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> > handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But

I
> > thought it's worth asking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ivan

>




Lon 02-04-2007 01:49 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result is
that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly worse
accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution to that
statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of physics and
think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are easily
researched at dot and sae]

Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without ABS.
Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.


philthy proclaimed:

> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
>>ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
>>manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
>>appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
>>to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
>>removed the fuse?
>>
>>On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
>>experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
>>There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
>>chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
>>stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
>>pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
>>handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
>>thought it's worth asking.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ivan

>
>


Lon 02-04-2007 01:49 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result is
that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly worse
accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution to that
statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of physics and
think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are easily
researched at dot and sae]

Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without ABS.
Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.


philthy proclaimed:

> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
>>ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
>>manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
>>appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
>>to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
>>removed the fuse?
>>
>>On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
>>experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
>>There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
>>chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
>>stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
>>pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
>>handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
>>thought it's worth asking.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ivan

>
>


Lon 02-04-2007 01:49 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result is
that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly worse
accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution to that
statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of physics and
think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are easily
researched at dot and sae]

Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without ABS.
Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.


philthy proclaimed:

> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
>>ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
>>manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
>>appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
>>to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
>>removed the fuse?
>>
>>On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
>>experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
>>There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
>>chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
>>stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
>>pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
>>handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
>>thought it's worth asking.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ivan

>
>



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