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Ivan Jager 02-01-2007 05:28 PM

ABS disabled on XJ
 
Hi,

In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
removed the fuse?

On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
thought it's worth asking.

Thanks,
Ivan

Matt Macchiarolo 02-01-2007 05:44 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller which
should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
don't.

If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
according to kbb.com.

PS Haynes manuals suck.

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702011710400.30093@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan




Matt Macchiarolo 02-01-2007 05:44 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller which
should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
don't.

If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
according to kbb.com.

PS Haynes manuals suck.

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702011710400.30093@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan




Matt Macchiarolo 02-01-2007 05:44 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller which
should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
don't.

If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
according to kbb.com.

PS Haynes manuals suck.

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702011710400.30093@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan




Matt Macchiarolo 02-01-2007 05:44 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller which
should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
don't.

If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
according to kbb.com.

PS Haynes manuals suck.

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702011710400.30093@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 02-01-2007 07:14 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/ABS_offroad.html
http://www.naxja.org/html/techarticl...ll_OEM_ABS.htm
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702011710400.30093@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 02-01-2007 07:14 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/ABS_offroad.html
http://www.naxja.org/html/techarticl...ll_OEM_ABS.htm
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702011710400.30093@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 02-01-2007 07:14 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/ABS_offroad.html
http://www.naxja.org/html/techarticl...ll_OEM_ABS.htm
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702011710400.30093@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 02-01-2007 07:14 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/ABS_offroad.html
http://www.naxja.org/html/techarticl...ll_OEM_ABS.htm
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702011710400.30093@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan




Ivan Jager 02-02-2007 07:36 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller which
> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
> don't.


I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.

> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
> according to kbb.com.


Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
he said it did have ABS.

> PS Haynes manuals suck.


I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
was called. Is that any better? As you can tell, I don't know much about
cars. Before about a year ago, the only maintenance I had done myself was
adding fluids and changing wipers and bulbs. I'd like to learn more, but
lack of a garage is kind of discouraning in the winter. I changed one of
my front hubs in the cold, only to later find out the replacement was also
bad.

Ivan

Ivan Jager 02-02-2007 07:36 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller which
> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
> don't.


I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.

> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
> according to kbb.com.


Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
he said it did have ABS.

> PS Haynes manuals suck.


I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
was called. Is that any better? As you can tell, I don't know much about
cars. Before about a year ago, the only maintenance I had done myself was
adding fluids and changing wipers and bulbs. I'd like to learn more, but
lack of a garage is kind of discouraning in the winter. I changed one of
my front hubs in the cold, only to later find out the replacement was also
bad.

Ivan

Ivan Jager 02-02-2007 07:36 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller which
> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
> don't.


I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.

> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
> according to kbb.com.


Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
he said it did have ABS.

> PS Haynes manuals suck.


I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
was called. Is that any better? As you can tell, I don't know much about
cars. Before about a year ago, the only maintenance I had done myself was
adding fluids and changing wipers and bulbs. I'd like to learn more, but
lack of a garage is kind of discouraning in the winter. I changed one of
my front hubs in the cold, only to later find out the replacement was also
bad.

Ivan

Ivan Jager 02-02-2007 07:36 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller which
> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
> don't.


I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.

> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
> according to kbb.com.


Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
he said it did have ABS.

> PS Haynes manuals suck.


I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
was called. Is that any better? As you can tell, I don't know much about
cars. Before about a year ago, the only maintenance I had done myself was
adding fluids and changing wipers and bulbs. I'd like to learn more, but
lack of a garage is kind of discouraning in the winter. I changed one of
my front hubs in the cold, only to later find out the replacement was also
bad.

Ivan

billy ray 02-02-2007 07:53 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Haynes and Chiltons manuals cover too many years to be of detailed value
although the Haynes CJ manual does have good diagrams of the vacuum tubing
system if I recall correctly.

What you will generally find recommended on this board is a "Factory Service
Manual" which is specific to your model and year. These manuals are pricy
to buy new, used copies are often a better value.

Think of it as any specialized tool you need to buy....... the first time
you use it it will pay for itself.

For some misc pages for a FSM
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...J%20Technical/


"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702021924560.16709@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller
>> which
>> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
>> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
>> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
>> don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
> wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
> a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.
>
>> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
>> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
>> according to kbb.com.

>
> Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
> he said it did have ABS.
>
>> PS Haynes manuals suck.

>
> I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
> was called. Is that any better? As you can tell, I don't know much about
> cars. Before about a year ago, the only maintenance I had done myself was
> adding fluids and changing wipers and bulbs. I'd like to learn more, but
> lack of a garage is kind of discouraning in the winter. I changed one of
> my front hubs in the cold, only to later find out the replacement was also
> bad.
>
> Ivan




billy ray 02-02-2007 07:53 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Haynes and Chiltons manuals cover too many years to be of detailed value
although the Haynes CJ manual does have good diagrams of the vacuum tubing
system if I recall correctly.

What you will generally find recommended on this board is a "Factory Service
Manual" which is specific to your model and year. These manuals are pricy
to buy new, used copies are often a better value.

Think of it as any specialized tool you need to buy....... the first time
you use it it will pay for itself.

For some misc pages for a FSM
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...J%20Technical/


"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702021924560.16709@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller
>> which
>> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
>> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
>> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
>> don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
> wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
> a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.
>
>> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
>> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
>> according to kbb.com.

>
> Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
> he said it did have ABS.
>
>> PS Haynes manuals suck.

>
> I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
> was called. Is that any better? As you can tell, I don't know much about
> cars. Before about a year ago, the only maintenance I had done myself was
> adding fluids and changing wipers and bulbs. I'd like to learn more, but
> lack of a garage is kind of discouraning in the winter. I changed one of
> my front hubs in the cold, only to later find out the replacement was also
> bad.
>
> Ivan




billy ray 02-02-2007 07:53 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Haynes and Chiltons manuals cover too many years to be of detailed value
although the Haynes CJ manual does have good diagrams of the vacuum tubing
system if I recall correctly.

What you will generally find recommended on this board is a "Factory Service
Manual" which is specific to your model and year. These manuals are pricy
to buy new, used copies are often a better value.

Think of it as any specialized tool you need to buy....... the first time
you use it it will pay for itself.

For some misc pages for a FSM
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...J%20Technical/


"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702021924560.16709@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller
>> which
>> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
>> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
>> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
>> don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
> wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
> a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.
>
>> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
>> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
>> according to kbb.com.

>
> Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
> he said it did have ABS.
>
>> PS Haynes manuals suck.

>
> I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
> was called. Is that any better? As you can tell, I don't know much about
> cars. Before about a year ago, the only maintenance I had done myself was
> adding fluids and changing wipers and bulbs. I'd like to learn more, but
> lack of a garage is kind of discouraning in the winter. I changed one of
> my front hubs in the cold, only to later find out the replacement was also
> bad.
>
> Ivan




billy ray 02-02-2007 07:53 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Haynes and Chiltons manuals cover too many years to be of detailed value
although the Haynes CJ manual does have good diagrams of the vacuum tubing
system if I recall correctly.

What you will generally find recommended on this board is a "Factory Service
Manual" which is specific to your model and year. These manuals are pricy
to buy new, used copies are often a better value.

Think of it as any specialized tool you need to buy....... the first time
you use it it will pay for itself.

For some misc pages for a FSM
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...J%20Technical/


"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702021924560.16709@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller
>> which
>> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
>> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
>> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
>> don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
> wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
> a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.
>
>> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
>> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
>> according to kbb.com.

>
> Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
> he said it did have ABS.
>
>> PS Haynes manuals suck.

>
> I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
> was called. Is that any better? As you can tell, I don't know much about
> cars. Before about a year ago, the only maintenance I had done myself was
> adding fluids and changing wipers and bulbs. I'd like to learn more, but
> lack of a garage is kind of discouraning in the winter. I changed one of
> my front hubs in the cold, only to later find out the replacement was also
> bad.
>
> Ivan




DougW 02-02-2007 08:13 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Ivan Jager wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS
>> controller which should be located somewhere under the master
>> cylinder. It'll look like a metal box that the brake lines run into.
>> If it's there, you have ABS. If you only have brake lines running
>> from the MC to the undercarriage, you don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each
> front wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no
> ABS. There is a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power
> brakes.


http://auto.howstuffworks.com/brake.htm

--
DougW



DougW 02-02-2007 08:13 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Ivan Jager wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS
>> controller which should be located somewhere under the master
>> cylinder. It'll look like a metal box that the brake lines run into.
>> If it's there, you have ABS. If you only have brake lines running
>> from the MC to the undercarriage, you don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each
> front wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no
> ABS. There is a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power
> brakes.


http://auto.howstuffworks.com/brake.htm

--
DougW



DougW 02-02-2007 08:13 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Ivan Jager wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS
>> controller which should be located somewhere under the master
>> cylinder. It'll look like a metal box that the brake lines run into.
>> If it's there, you have ABS. If you only have brake lines running
>> from the MC to the undercarriage, you don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each
> front wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no
> ABS. There is a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power
> brakes.


http://auto.howstuffworks.com/brake.htm

--
DougW



DougW 02-02-2007 08:13 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Ivan Jager wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS
>> controller which should be located somewhere under the master
>> cylinder. It'll look like a metal box that the brake lines run into.
>> If it's there, you have ABS. If you only have brake lines running
>> from the MC to the undercarriage, you don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each
> front wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no
> ABS. There is a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power
> brakes.


http://auto.howstuffworks.com/brake.htm

--
DougW



Ivan Jager 02-02-2007 08:38 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, DougW wrote:
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS
>>> controller which should be located somewhere under the master
>>> cylinder. It'll look like a metal box that the brake lines run into.
>>> If it's there, you have ABS. If you only have brake lines running
>>> from the MC to the undercarriage, you don't.

>>
>> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
>> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
>> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each
>> front wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no
>> ABS. There is a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power
>> brakes.

>
> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/brake.htm


Ok, yeah, no ABS then.

Thanks for the help,
Ivan

Ivan Jager 02-02-2007 08:38 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, DougW wrote:
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS
>>> controller which should be located somewhere under the master
>>> cylinder. It'll look like a metal box that the brake lines run into.
>>> If it's there, you have ABS. If you only have brake lines running
>>> from the MC to the undercarriage, you don't.

>>
>> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
>> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
>> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each
>> front wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no
>> ABS. There is a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power
>> brakes.

>
> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/brake.htm


Ok, yeah, no ABS then.

Thanks for the help,
Ivan

Ivan Jager 02-02-2007 08:38 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, DougW wrote:
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS
>>> controller which should be located somewhere under the master
>>> cylinder. It'll look like a metal box that the brake lines run into.
>>> If it's there, you have ABS. If you only have brake lines running
>>> from the MC to the undercarriage, you don't.

>>
>> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
>> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
>> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each
>> front wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no
>> ABS. There is a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power
>> brakes.

>
> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/brake.htm


Ok, yeah, no ABS then.

Thanks for the help,
Ivan

Ivan Jager 02-02-2007 08:38 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, DougW wrote:
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS
>>> controller which should be located somewhere under the master
>>> cylinder. It'll look like a metal box that the brake lines run into.
>>> If it's there, you have ABS. If you only have brake lines running
>>> from the MC to the undercarriage, you don't.

>>
>> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
>> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
>> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each
>> front wheel, and one towards the back. I'm guessing that means no
>> ABS. There is a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power
>> brakes.

>
> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/brake.htm


Ok, yeah, no ABS then.

Thanks for the help,
Ivan

Matt Macchiarolo 02-03-2007 07:26 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702021924560.16709@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller
>> which
>> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
>> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
>> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
>> don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
> wheel, and one towards the back.


That's the proportioning valve. The ABS controller is bigger with a larger
wiring harness connected.

I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
> a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.


Yep.

>
>> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
>> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
>> according to kbb.com.

>
> Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
> he said it did have ABS.
>
>> PS Haynes manuals suck.

>
> I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
> was called. Is that any better?


Probably a Chiltons. They suck too.

Factory Service Manual is what you need.



Matt Macchiarolo 02-03-2007 07:26 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702021924560.16709@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller
>> which
>> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
>> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
>> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
>> don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
> wheel, and one towards the back.


That's the proportioning valve. The ABS controller is bigger with a larger
wiring harness connected.

I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
> a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.


Yep.

>
>> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
>> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
>> according to kbb.com.

>
> Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
> he said it did have ABS.
>
>> PS Haynes manuals suck.

>
> I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
> was called. Is that any better?


Probably a Chiltons. They suck too.

Factory Service Manual is what you need.



Matt Macchiarolo 02-03-2007 07:26 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702021924560.16709@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller
>> which
>> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
>> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
>> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
>> don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
> wheel, and one towards the back.


That's the proportioning valve. The ABS controller is bigger with a larger
wiring harness connected.

I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
> a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.


Yep.

>
>> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
>> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
>> according to kbb.com.

>
> Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
> he said it did have ABS.
>
>> PS Haynes manuals suck.

>
> I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
> was called. Is that any better?


Probably a Chiltons. They suck too.

Factory Service Manual is what you need.



Matt Macchiarolo 02-03-2007 07:26 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 

"Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61-042.0702021924560.16709@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu...
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> The brake reservior isn't the issue with ABS, it's the ABS controller
>> which
>> should be located somewhere under the master cylinder. It'll look like a
>> metal box that the brake lines run into. If it's there, you have ABS. If
>> you only have brake lines running from the MC to the undercarriage, you
>> don't.

>
> I meant to take pictures, but forgot. There is a small metal box with
> brake lines running into it, but it doesn't look like much more than a
> splitter of sorts. There are 3 lines running out, one towards each front
> wheel, and one towards the back.


That's the proportioning valve. The ABS controller is bigger with a larger
wiring harness connected.

I'm guessing that means no ABS. There is
> a big cylindrical thing I'm guessing is just for power brakes.


Yep.

>
>> If there is no ABS fuse and there is no ABS light lit up on the dash, I
>> would suspect you in fact do not have ABS. ABS was optional that year
>> according to kbb.com.

>
> Yeah, that's why I asked the guy. He said he would check, and then later
> he said it did have ABS.
>
>> PS Haynes manuals suck.

>
> I saw they had a different manual at Advance Auto. Don't remember what it
> was called. Is that any better?


Probably a Chiltons. They suck too.

Factory Service Manual is what you need.



philthy 02-04-2007 09:44 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without

Ivan Jager wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan



philthy 02-04-2007 09:44 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without

Ivan Jager wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan



philthy 02-04-2007 09:44 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without

Ivan Jager wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan



philthy 02-04-2007 09:44 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without

Ivan Jager wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
> ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
> to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> removed the fuse?
>
> On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
> thought it's worth asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan



Earle Horton 02-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or is
it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free and
accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
wow, that would be real safe.

Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot to
plug the fuse back in one time.

Earle

"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:45C5F13C.F376F00E@cac.net...
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it

has
> > ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> > manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> > appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything

bad
> > to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> > removed the fuse?
> >
> > On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> > experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> > There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> > chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> > stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> > pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> > handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But

I
> > thought it's worth asking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ivan

>




Earle Horton 02-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or is
it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free and
accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
wow, that would be real safe.

Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot to
plug the fuse back in one time.

Earle

"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:45C5F13C.F376F00E@cac.net...
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it

has
> > ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> > manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> > appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything

bad
> > to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> > removed the fuse?
> >
> > On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> > experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> > There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> > chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> > stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> > pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> > handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But

I
> > thought it's worth asking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ivan

>




Earle Horton 02-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or is
it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free and
accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
wow, that would be real safe.

Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot to
plug the fuse back in one time.

Earle

"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:45C5F13C.F376F00E@cac.net...
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it

has
> > ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> > manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> > appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything

bad
> > to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> > removed the fuse?
> >
> > On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> > experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> > There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> > chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> > stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> > pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> > handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But

I
> > thought it's worth asking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ivan

>




Earle Horton 02-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or is
it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free and
accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
wow, that would be real safe.

Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot to
plug the fuse back in one time.

Earle

"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:45C5F13C.F376F00E@cac.net...
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it

has
> > ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
> > manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
> > appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything

bad
> > to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
> > removed the fuse?
> >
> > On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
> > experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
> > There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
> > chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
> > stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
> > pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
> > handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But

I
> > thought it's worth asking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ivan

>




Lon 02-04-2007 01:49 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result is
that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly worse
accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution to that
statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of physics and
think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are easily
researched at dot and sae]

Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without ABS.
Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.


philthy proclaimed:

> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
>>ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
>>manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
>>appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
>>to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
>>removed the fuse?
>>
>>On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
>>experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
>>There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
>>chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
>>stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
>>pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
>>handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
>>thought it's worth asking.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ivan

>
>


Lon 02-04-2007 01:49 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result is
that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly worse
accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution to that
statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of physics and
think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are easily
researched at dot and sae]

Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without ABS.
Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.


philthy proclaimed:

> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
>>ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
>>manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
>>appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
>>to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
>>removed the fuse?
>>
>>On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
>>experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
>>There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
>>chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
>>stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
>>pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
>>handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
>>thought it's worth asking.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ivan

>
>


Lon 02-04-2007 01:49 PM

Re: ABS disabled on XJ
 
Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result is
that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly worse
accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution to that
statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of physics and
think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are easily
researched at dot and sae]

Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without ABS.
Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.


philthy proclaimed:

> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
>>ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
>>manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
>>appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
>>to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
>>removed the fuse?
>>
>>On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
>>experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
>>There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
>>chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
>>stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
>>pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
>>handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
>>thought it's worth asking.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ivan

>
>



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