Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote:

> Don't forget the fuel which is needed to produce ethanol. If you
> are counting greenhouse gas emissions, you have to count all of
> them for it to mean anything.

Gee, another "Inconvenient Truth" that Al forgot to mention. ;-)

Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote:

> Don't forget the fuel which is needed to produce ethanol. If you
> are counting greenhouse gas emissions, you have to count all of
> them for it to mean anything.

Gee, another "Inconvenient Truth" that Al forgot to mention. ;-)

Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote:

> Don't forget the fuel which is needed to produce ethanol. If you
> are counting greenhouse gas emissions, you have to count all of
> them for it to mean anything.

Gee, another "Inconvenient Truth" that Al forgot to mention. ;-)

Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

Hi Earle,
Which is six gallons of petroleum to make one gallon of ethanol. The
Bore people want to buy windmills and solar diodes to produce electricity,
that have used the same amount of petroleum to make and last their life
time.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:4641101a$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Don't forget the fuel which is needed to produce ethanol. If you are
> counting greenhouse gas emissions, you have to count all of them for it to
> mean anything.
>
> Earle
>
> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> news:tgp143hu6144dbecg7ivuvgb7cnnl55v96@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 08 May 2007 15:04:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I can believe the emissions
> > >claims much more easy than I believe the mileage claims, but I am sure
> > >as the technology grows, the mileage will get better.
> >
> >
> > Ethanol has higher CO2 emission than gas by about 50% because the fuel
> > has a high carbon to energy contant which means more CO2 is produced
> > doing same work. (the people pushing it never tell you that because
> > they likely do not believe green house gasses are a issue anyway).
> > Also, far as techology, it has been around since the 40's, it is
> > called high compression (like 12 to 1 or better for pure meth or ethyl
> > alchol) but that will never happen as long as 87 octane is on market
> > and can be put in a engine designed for E85 or higher because 87
> > octane would destroy a high compression motor is short order even with
> > a knock sensor. Also on diesanol, I fail to see any advantage with it
> > at all because it would have less than 1/2 the energy of regular
> > diesel and heat energy drives the engine so economy would suffer
> > greatly. Strange thing is that the politics that pushes grain based
> > fuels never thinks about food prices or the fact that it takes more of
> > it to do same work and produces more CO2 as well. BioButanol may hold
> > the most promise for a grain or waste product based fuel because in
> > its pure state it has about 90% of the energy of gas vs pure ethanol
> > having only about 55% and performs well in todays engines with out
> > needing to raise CR of them. BioButanol is still several years away as
> > they search for a cost effective enzyme to make it profitable for mass
> > production.
> > -----------------
> > TheSnoMan.com
>
>



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Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

Hi Earle,
Which is six gallons of petroleum to make one gallon of ethanol. The
Bore people want to buy windmills and solar diodes to produce electricity,
that have used the same amount of petroleum to make and last their life
time.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:4641101a$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Don't forget the fuel which is needed to produce ethanol. If you are
> counting greenhouse gas emissions, you have to count all of them for it to
> mean anything.
>
> Earle
>
> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> news:tgp143hu6144dbecg7ivuvgb7cnnl55v96@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 08 May 2007 15:04:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I can believe the emissions
> > >claims much more easy than I believe the mileage claims, but I am sure
> > >as the technology grows, the mileage will get better.
> >
> >
> > Ethanol has higher CO2 emission than gas by about 50% because the fuel
> > has a high carbon to energy contant which means more CO2 is produced
> > doing same work. (the people pushing it never tell you that because
> > they likely do not believe green house gasses are a issue anyway).
> > Also, far as techology, it has been around since the 40's, it is
> > called high compression (like 12 to 1 or better for pure meth or ethyl
> > alchol) but that will never happen as long as 87 octane is on market
> > and can be put in a engine designed for E85 or higher because 87
> > octane would destroy a high compression motor is short order even with
> > a knock sensor. Also on diesanol, I fail to see any advantage with it
> > at all because it would have less than 1/2 the energy of regular
> > diesel and heat energy drives the engine so economy would suffer
> > greatly. Strange thing is that the politics that pushes grain based
> > fuels never thinks about food prices or the fact that it takes more of
> > it to do same work and produces more CO2 as well. BioButanol may hold
> > the most promise for a grain or waste product based fuel because in
> > its pure state it has about 90% of the energy of gas vs pure ethanol
> > having only about 55% and performs well in todays engines with out
> > needing to raise CR of them. BioButanol is still several years away as
> > they search for a cost effective enzyme to make it profitable for mass
> > production.
> > -----------------
> > TheSnoMan.com
>
>



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Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

Hi Earle,
Which is six gallons of petroleum to make one gallon of ethanol. The
Bore people want to buy windmills and solar diodes to produce electricity,
that have used the same amount of petroleum to make and last their life
time.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:4641101a$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Don't forget the fuel which is needed to produce ethanol. If you are
> counting greenhouse gas emissions, you have to count all of them for it to
> mean anything.
>
> Earle
>
> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> news:tgp143hu6144dbecg7ivuvgb7cnnl55v96@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 08 May 2007 15:04:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I can believe the emissions
> > >claims much more easy than I believe the mileage claims, but I am sure
> > >as the technology grows, the mileage will get better.
> >
> >
> > Ethanol has higher CO2 emission than gas by about 50% because the fuel
> > has a high carbon to energy contant which means more CO2 is produced
> > doing same work. (the people pushing it never tell you that because
> > they likely do not believe green house gasses are a issue anyway).
> > Also, far as techology, it has been around since the 40's, it is
> > called high compression (like 12 to 1 or better for pure meth or ethyl
> > alchol) but that will never happen as long as 87 octane is on market
> > and can be put in a engine designed for E85 or higher because 87
> > octane would destroy a high compression motor is short order even with
> > a knock sensor. Also on diesanol, I fail to see any advantage with it
> > at all because it would have less than 1/2 the energy of regular
> > diesel and heat energy drives the engine so economy would suffer
> > greatly. Strange thing is that the politics that pushes grain based
> > fuels never thinks about food prices or the fact that it takes more of
> > it to do same work and produces more CO2 as well. BioButanol may hold
> > the most promise for a grain or waste product based fuel because in
> > its pure state it has about 90% of the energy of gas vs pure ethanol
> > having only about 55% and performs well in todays engines with out
> > needing to raise CR of them. BioButanol is still several years away as
> > they search for a cost effective enzyme to make it profitable for mass
> > production.
> > -----------------
> > TheSnoMan.com
>
>



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Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

Hi Earle,
Which is six gallons of petroleum to make one gallon of ethanol. The
Bore people want to buy windmills and solar diodes to produce electricity,
that have used the same amount of petroleum to make and last their life
time.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...udy_ethan.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:4641101a$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Don't forget the fuel which is needed to produce ethanol. If you are
> counting greenhouse gas emissions, you have to count all of them for it to
> mean anything.
>
> Earle
>
> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> news:tgp143hu6144dbecg7ivuvgb7cnnl55v96@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 08 May 2007 15:04:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I can believe the emissions
> > >claims much more easy than I believe the mileage claims, but I am sure
> > >as the technology grows, the mileage will get better.
> >
> >
> > Ethanol has higher CO2 emission than gas by about 50% because the fuel
> > has a high carbon to energy contant which means more CO2 is produced
> > doing same work. (the people pushing it never tell you that because
> > they likely do not believe green house gasses are a issue anyway).
> > Also, far as techology, it has been around since the 40's, it is
> > called high compression (like 12 to 1 or better for pure meth or ethyl
> > alchol) but that will never happen as long as 87 octane is on market
> > and can be put in a engine designed for E85 or higher because 87
> > octane would destroy a high compression motor is short order even with
> > a knock sensor. Also on diesanol, I fail to see any advantage with it
> > at all because it would have less than 1/2 the energy of regular
> > diesel and heat energy drives the engine so economy would suffer
> > greatly. Strange thing is that the politics that pushes grain based
> > fuels never thinks about food prices or the fact that it takes more of
> > it to do same work and produces more CO2 as well. BioButanol may hold
> > the most promise for a grain or waste product based fuel because in
> > its pure state it has about 90% of the energy of gas vs pure ethanol
> > having only about 55% and performs well in todays engines with out
> > needing to raise CR of them. BioButanol is still several years away as
> > they search for a cost effective enzyme to make it profitable for mass
> > production.
> > -----------------
> > TheSnoMan.com
>
>



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Re: Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

The candles are in all the oil crackers I worked, and they regularly
exploded. When it goes out, run for you life:
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/blur/8...1/b634115m.jpg
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"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
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> Heh, I like the open flames one sees over oil wells to burn off "surplus"
> natural gas.
>
> Earle
>
>



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Re: Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

The candles are in all the oil crackers I worked, and they regularly
exploded. When it goes out, run for you life:
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/blur/8...1/b634115m.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
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> Heh, I like the open flames one sees over oil wells to burn off "surplus"
> natural gas.
>
> Earle
>
>



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Re: Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

The candles are in all the oil crackers I worked, and they regularly
exploded. When it goes out, run for you life:
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/blur/8...1/b634115m.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/kenworth.jpg


"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:46411705$0$31844$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om
> Heh, I like the open flames one sees over oil wells to burn off "surplus"
> natural gas.
>
> Earle
>
>



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