Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On Wed, 09 May 2007 13:27:20 -0400, FrankW <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote:

>Funny that, from what I understand:
>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe


In the universe yes as stars and vast clouds of interstellar gas are
made mostly of hydrogen but on the earth, free hydrogen in its native
state is rare. Given the tempatures needed for it to because a liquid
it is easy to see why. Hydrgen is a building block though is all
fossil fuels but it is not in the form of free atoms.
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Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On Wed, 09 May 2007 13:27:20 -0400, FrankW <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote:

>Funny that, from what I understand:
>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe


In the universe yes as stars and vast clouds of interstellar gas are
made mostly of hydrogen but on the earth, free hydrogen in its native
state is rare. Given the tempatures needed for it to because a liquid
it is easy to see why. Hydrgen is a building block though is all
fossil fuels but it is not in the form of free atoms.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On Wed, 09 May 2007 13:27:20 -0400, FrankW <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote:

>Funny that, from what I understand:
>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe


In the universe yes as stars and vast clouds of interstellar gas are
made mostly of hydrogen but on the earth, free hydrogen in its native
state is rare. Given the tempatures needed for it to because a liquid
it is easy to see why. Hydrgen is a building block though is all
fossil fuels but it is not in the form of free atoms.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On 2007-05-08, c <c@me.org> wrote:
> To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
> power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
> the compression ratio of a diesel engine.

The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine? :D

I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.

Ivan

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On 2007-05-08, c <c@me.org> wrote:
> To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
> power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
> the compression ratio of a diesel engine.

The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine? :D

I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.

Ivan

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On 2007-05-08, c <c@me.org> wrote:
> To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
> power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
> the compression ratio of a diesel engine.

The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine? :D

I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.

Ivan

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On 2007-05-08, c <c@me.org> wrote:
> To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
> power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
> the compression ratio of a diesel engine.

The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine? :D

I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.

Ivan

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On 2007-05-09, SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> Hyddrogen and Ammonia which is used in fertilizer production. They
> have been searching for years to fund a cheap way to split Hydrogen
> and Oxygem atoms apart in water for unlimited fuel source but right
> now it take more energy to make it han is recoverd when using water.

And it always will. Are you familiar with the second law of
thermodynamics?

IMHO, our best hope is to be able to separate them using a cheaper
source of energy, such as sunlight, because then it doesn't matter
whether we can recover all the energy that went into it.

Ivan

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On 2007-05-09, SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> Hyddrogen and Ammonia which is used in fertilizer production. They
> have been searching for years to fund a cheap way to split Hydrogen
> and Oxygem atoms apart in water for unlimited fuel source but right
> now it take more energy to make it han is recoverd when using water.

And it always will. Are you familiar with the second law of
thermodynamics?

IMHO, our best hope is to be able to separate them using a cheaper
source of energy, such as sunlight, because then it doesn't matter
whether we can recover all the energy that went into it.

Ivan

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On 2007-05-09, SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> Hyddrogen and Ammonia which is used in fertilizer production. They
> have been searching for years to fund a cheap way to split Hydrogen
> and Oxygem atoms apart in water for unlimited fuel source but right
> now it take more energy to make it han is recoverd when using water.

And it always will. Are you familiar with the second law of
thermodynamics?

IMHO, our best hope is to be able to separate them using a cheaper
source of energy, such as sunlight, because then it doesn't matter
whether we can recover all the energy that went into it.

Ivan