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Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> bspear78 wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >>> >>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >>> >>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, >>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, >>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >>> of codes. >>> >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> >>> >>> >>> bspear78 wrote: >>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>>> Bryan >>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> Thanks, >> >> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic >> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? >> >> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle >> position sensor? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > P0120 TPS Performance > P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity > P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage > P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage > P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent > > And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but > it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). > > You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I haven't seen them all. The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc. Mike |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
Mike Romain wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote: >> bspear78 wrote: >>> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >>>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >>>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >>>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >>>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >>>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >>>> >>>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >>>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >>>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >>>> >>>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go >>>> on, >>>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the >>>> starter, >>>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >>>> of codes. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bspear78 wrote: >>>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>>>> Bryan >>>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic >>> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? >>> >>> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle >>> position sensor? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> P0120 TPS Performance >> P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity >> P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage >> P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage >> P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent >> >> And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but >> it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). >> >> > > You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I > haven't seen them all. > > The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc. > > Mike On my '04 TJ you turn "backwards" to the accessory position (run the radio/tape/CD without having ignition on). Like you said the first turn "forward" just unlocks the steering column. I know I've had some vehicles where the accessory setting was a "forward" turn. I just figured since he had a '97 TJ it would be similar to mine. -- FRH |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
Mike Romain wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote: >> bspear78 wrote: >>> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >>>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >>>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >>>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >>>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >>>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >>>> >>>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >>>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >>>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >>>> >>>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go >>>> on, >>>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the >>>> starter, >>>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >>>> of codes. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bspear78 wrote: >>>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>>>> Bryan >>>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic >>> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? >>> >>> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle >>> position sensor? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> P0120 TPS Performance >> P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity >> P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage >> P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage >> P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent >> >> And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but >> it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). >> >> > > You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I > haven't seen them all. > > The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc. > > Mike On my '04 TJ you turn "backwards" to the accessory position (run the radio/tape/CD without having ignition on). Like you said the first turn "forward" just unlocks the steering column. I know I've had some vehicles where the accessory setting was a "forward" turn. I just figured since he had a '97 TJ it would be similar to mine. -- FRH |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
Mike Romain wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote: >> bspear78 wrote: >>> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >>>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >>>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >>>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >>>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >>>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >>>> >>>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >>>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >>>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >>>> >>>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go >>>> on, >>>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the >>>> starter, >>>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >>>> of codes. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bspear78 wrote: >>>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>>>> Bryan >>>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic >>> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? >>> >>> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle >>> position sensor? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> P0120 TPS Performance >> P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity >> P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage >> P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage >> P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent >> >> And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but >> it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). >> >> > > You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I > haven't seen them all. > > The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc. > > Mike On my '04 TJ you turn "backwards" to the accessory position (run the radio/tape/CD without having ignition on). Like you said the first turn "forward" just unlocks the steering column. I know I've had some vehicles where the accessory setting was a "forward" turn. I just figured since he had a '97 TJ it would be similar to mine. -- FRH |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
Mike Romain wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote: >> bspear78 wrote: >>> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >>>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >>>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >>>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >>>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >>>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >>>> >>>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >>>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >>>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >>>> >>>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go >>>> on, >>>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the >>>> starter, >>>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >>>> of codes. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bspear78 wrote: >>>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>>>> Bryan >>>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic >>> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? >>> >>> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle >>> position sensor? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> P0120 TPS Performance >> P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity >> P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage >> P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage >> P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent >> >> And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but >> it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). >> >> > > You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I > haven't seen them all. > > The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc. > > Mike On my '04 TJ you turn "backwards" to the accessory position (run the radio/tape/CD without having ignition on). Like you said the first turn "forward" just unlocks the steering column. I know I've had some vehicles where the accessory setting was a "forward" turn. I just figured since he had a '97 TJ it would be similar to mine. -- FRH |
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