Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift > points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. > The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a > pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to > help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last > ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. > > I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, > especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection > issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. > > Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, > off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, > then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end > of codes. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > bspear78 wrote: > > Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj > > automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and > > sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once > > or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go > > it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 > > places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from > > near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. > > Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to > > take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks > > > Bryan > > 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Thanks, The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle position sensor? |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift > points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. > The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a > pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to > help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last > ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. > > I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, > especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection > issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. > > Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, > off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, > then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end > of codes. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > bspear78 wrote: > > Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj > > automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and > > sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once > > or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go > > it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 > > places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from > > near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. > > Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to > > take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks > > > Bryan > > 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Thanks, The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle position sensor? |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift > points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. > The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a > pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to > help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last > ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. > > I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, > especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection > issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. > > Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, > off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, > then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end > of codes. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > bspear78 wrote: > > Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj > > automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and > > sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once > > or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go > > it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 > > places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from > > near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. > > Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to > > take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks > > > Bryan > > 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Thanks, The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle position sensor? |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
bspear78 wrote:
> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >> >> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >> >> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, >> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, >> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >> of codes. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> >> >> bspear78 wrote: >>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>> Bryan >>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > > Thanks, > > The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic > reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? > > and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle > position sensor? > > > > > > > > > P0120 TPS Performance P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). -- FRH |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
bspear78 wrote:
> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >> >> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >> >> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, >> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, >> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >> of codes. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> >> >> bspear78 wrote: >>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>> Bryan >>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > > Thanks, > > The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic > reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? > > and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle > position sensor? > > > > > > > > > P0120 TPS Performance P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). -- FRH |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
bspear78 wrote:
> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >> >> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >> >> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, >> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, >> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >> of codes. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> >> >> bspear78 wrote: >>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>> Bryan >>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > > Thanks, > > The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic > reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? > > and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle > position sensor? > > > > > > > > > P0120 TPS Performance P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). -- FRH |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
bspear78 wrote:
> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >> >> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >> >> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, >> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, >> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >> of codes. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> >> >> bspear78 wrote: >>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>> Bryan >>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > > Thanks, > > The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic > reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? > > and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle > position sensor? > > > > > > > > > P0120 TPS Performance P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). -- FRH |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> bspear78 wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >>> >>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >>> >>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, >>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, >>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >>> of codes. >>> >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> >>> >>> >>> bspear78 wrote: >>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>>> Bryan >>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> Thanks, >> >> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic >> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? >> >> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle >> position sensor? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > P0120 TPS Performance > P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity > P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage > P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage > P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent > > And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but > it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). > > You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I haven't seen them all. The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc. Mike |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> bspear78 wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >>> >>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >>> >>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, >>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, >>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >>> of codes. >>> >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> >>> >>> >>> bspear78 wrote: >>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>>> Bryan >>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> Thanks, >> >> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic >> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? >> >> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle >> position sensor? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > P0120 TPS Performance > P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity > P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage > P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage > P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent > > And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but > it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). > > You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I haven't seen them all. The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc. Mike |
Re: 97 tj stalling out in traffic
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> bspear78 wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift >>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out. >>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a >>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to >>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last >>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud. >>> >>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections, >>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection >>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough. >>> >>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on, >>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter, >>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end >>> of codes. >>> >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> >>> >>> >>> bspear78 wrote: >>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj >>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and >>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once >>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go >>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2 >>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from >>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine. >>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to >>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks >>>> Bryan >>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> Thanks, >> >> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic >> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick? >> >> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle >> position sensor? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > P0120 TPS Performance > P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity > P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage > P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage > P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent > > And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but > it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes). > > You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I haven't seen them all. The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc. Mike |
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