Earle Horton

I felt the same way, and our Cherokee was practically new when this
happened, nothing apparently wrong with it. I also figured out that
anything that used that much fuel, should be able to hold a 4x8 sheet of
sheetrock, or 20 of them if need be. I replaced it with a 3/4 ton Suburban,
and I have been happy since. It has practically the same transfer case, a
similar transmission, and doesn't give any grief shifting the transfer case.
Maybe the Cherokee was broken, or maybe the Aisin transmission is just a
piece of crap. I didn't feel like finding out.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43C3E65C.FC34C3DA@sympatico.ca...
> You should get your Jeep fixed in my opinion. Just because your tranny
> and t-case doesn't work properly, it doesn't mean others 'must' be
> broken too.
>
> It seems to be fairly common for one reason or another, engine and
> tranny mounts getting saggy is one thing that comes to mind so they just
> need a little adjustment to make up for it.
>
> I know I certainly wouldn't be allowed to have either of my Jeeps broken
> like that!
>
> My wife would not put up with it even for a day because she gets off
> work before the plows get going and sees bare and covered roads a lot on
> the way home so shifts into and out of 4 high at every second or 3rd
> intersection. You know, clear main roads and covered secondary with
> some cleared through the secondaries. 4 shifts in and out at least
> usually.
>
> If you were doing that drive daily and had to stop in traffic to shift,
> you first off would look like a fool, and second would be a road hazard.
>
> Just my $0.02,
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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>
> Jim Smith wrote:
> >
> > No Earle, not under my skin. I haven't gone off yet in this newsgroup.
> > However, I won't let someone tell me I'm wrong when I know what works
for my
> > Jeep. Ignorance is bliss, so I guess Jerry is one very happy person!
> >
> > Jim Smith
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:43c3164a$0$10305$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > According to the Usenet Rules of Engagement, you just let Jerry win a
> > > round,
> > > by letting him get under your skin.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Jim Smith" <j_h_smith@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:r6WdnceaWsbCjF7eRVn-tQ@comcast.com...
> > >> So there are a few others that have to shift into Neutral.
> > >>
> > >> What do you have to say to that Jerry?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jim Smith
> > >>
> > >> "Jo Bo" <jromas SPAM@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:p%Dwf.15070$%D1.8489@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > >> > Jerry,
> > >> >
> > >> > Very sorry to disagree but I've had 2 automatic XJ's a 96 and a 99
and
> > >> > they both need to be put in "N" on the transmission, not the
transfer
> > >> > case, to shift in or out of 4wd if your doing anything less then
say 10
> > >> > MPH there's too much tension on it to shift. Also when standing
still
> > > it's
> > >> > even worse if the transmission is put into gear while the transfer
case
> > > is
> > >> > in neutral. That's the grinding the guy in the lodge heard his wife
> > > doing.
> > >> > Now a standard shift is another matter, ease up on the gas and
shift.
> > > Also
> > >> > the vacuum disconnect is a totally different situation altogether.
I
> > > also
> > >> > owned a 89 5 speed.
> > >> >
> > >> > JoBo
> > >> >
> > >> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:rCDwf.8826$V.7042@fed1read04...
> > >> >> Jim, your '88 and my '89 Cherokee had the exact same transfer case
and
> > > as
> > >> >> the owners manual instructs, I NEVER had to do anything unusual
like
> > > you
> > >> >> suggest to get it to shift back into 2Hi beyond moving the t-case
> > >> >> lever
> > >> >> back to 2wd. Your advice saying he should shift into neutral
before
> > >> >> shifting back into 2wd is just plain 'wrong' and ill-advised. It
is
> > >> >> absolutely not necessary, the most that is ever needed to help
> > > accelerate
> > >> >> the shift back into 2wd is to simply let off on the gas a bit.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Jim Smith wrote:
> > >> >>> Well, I've got a 1988 Cherokee that you have to do this. You can
> > > shift
> > >> >>> on the fly, but it may take some time for it to shift. I found
> > > stopping
> > >> >>> and putting the jeep into neutral makes it much quicker and
without
> > > nay
> > >> >>> noise or pop or bang. Just my observation.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Jim Smith
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > >> >>> news:jNwwf.8809$V.5954@fed1read04...
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>I hope you're not suggesting that that is necessary. :)
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>Jim Smith wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>>Just a quick question. Are you stopping the Jeep and putting
the
> > >> >>>>>transmission in neutral before shifting from 4H to 2H?
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>Jim Smith
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>><phillip_putzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> > >> >>>>>news:1136815927.249344.47240@g49g2000cwa.goog legroups.com...
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>I have the 4 low - 2 high and 4 high options for the transfer
case.
> > > My
> > >> >>>>>>neighborhood isn't plowed normally so soem morning I have to
start
> > > out
> > >> >>>>>>in 4 high until I hit the main street. Then it might take 10-15
> > >> >>>>>>minutes
> > >> >>>>>>to diesngage and lately when it finally disengages there is a
> > > massive
> > >> >>>>>>pop when it disengages. I have tried going into reverse a few
feet
> > > and
> > >> >>>>>>then driving off but that doesn't seem to work.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>--
> > >> >>>>Jerry Bransford
> > >> >>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > >> >>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> > >> >>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Jerry Bransford
> > >> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > >> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> > >> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >

Matt Macchiarolo

No, but both will relieve the torque load.

Shifting the transmission into N for shifting into or out of 4lo helps a lot
to, but that's irrelevent to the OP's issue.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:8ESwf.9641$V.4136@fed1read04...
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> I agree, but shifting into N would have a similar effect of letting off
>> the gas.
>
> Hopefully Matt you don't really think that shifting into N while driving
> is preferrable to just backing off a bit on the gas. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> tp://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Matt Macchiarolo

No, but both will relieve the torque load.

Shifting the transmission into N for shifting into or out of 4lo helps a lot
to, but that's irrelevent to the OP's issue.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:8ESwf.9641$V.4136@fed1read04...
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> I agree, but shifting into N would have a similar effect of letting off
>> the gas.
>
> Hopefully Matt you don't really think that shifting into N while driving
> is preferrable to just backing off a bit on the gas. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> tp://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Matt Macchiarolo

No, but both will relieve the torque load.

Shifting the transmission into N for shifting into or out of 4lo helps a lot
to, but that's irrelevent to the OP's issue.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:8ESwf.9641$V.4136@fed1read04...
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> I agree, but shifting into N would have a similar effect of letting off
>> the gas.
>
> Hopefully Matt you don't really think that shifting into N while driving
> is preferrable to just backing off a bit on the gas. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> tp://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Madonna

Gentlemen,

What an interesting exchange. I have a 94 Cherokee, LTD SE 4.0 Auto, which I
recently bought. Same problem with shifting in and out of 4 wheel part-time
and 4 wheel full time. Often sticks in 4W part time. Only way to get out to
2W is either stoop and reverse a little or wait ages.

Always seem worse when everything is cold.

Anyway, greetings from England/
..

Keith


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:k_KdndzdaoA8OF7eRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> The '97 Cherokee does not have the front axle disconnect. They did away
with
> that in '92 or 93 in the Cherokee. It remained in the YJ Wrangler until
> 1995.
>
> "Walt & Lynda Johnson" <waterbirds@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
> news:3qKdnX5qVfl5gl7eRVn-qA@usadatanet.net...
> > I've had exactly the same problem with my 1986 Cherokee. What is
> > happening is that the vacuum motor on the axle isn't disengaging
> > the axles from the differential. Simply replace the vacuum motor
> > with a new one and the problem will go away.
> >
> > On the Cherokee, instead of freewheeling hubs, the right hand side
> > axle is split with two splined sections. Normal 2WD operation the
> > spline joiner is slid on to one axle section. The spider gears
> > in the differential rotate in opposite directions and the
> > differential center section is stationary. When placed in 4WD, the
> > spline joiner slides to connect the two splined axle sections thereby
> > locking up the axle. There are three hoses, one to engage the
> > axle via the vacuum motor, the second to disengage the axle via the
> > vacuum motor, and the third to send the "I'm locked up" message
> > to the light on the dashboard.
> >
> > Walt Johnson.
> >
> > <phillip_putzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> > news:1136815927.249344.47240@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> >> I have the 4 low - 2 high and 4 high options for the transfer case. My
> >> neighborhood isn't plowed normally so soem morning I have to start out
> >> in 4 high until I hit the main street. Then it might take 10-15 minutes
> >> to diesngage and lately when it finally disengages there is a massive
> >> pop when it disengages. I have tried going into reverse a few feet and
> >> then driving off but that doesn't seem to work.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Madonna

Gentlemen,

What an interesting exchange. I have a 94 Cherokee, LTD SE 4.0 Auto, which I
recently bought. Same problem with shifting in and out of 4 wheel part-time
and 4 wheel full time. Often sticks in 4W part time. Only way to get out to
2W is either stoop and reverse a little or wait ages.

Always seem worse when everything is cold.

Anyway, greetings from England/
..

Keith


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:k_KdndzdaoA8OF7eRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> The '97 Cherokee does not have the front axle disconnect. They did away
with
> that in '92 or 93 in the Cherokee. It remained in the YJ Wrangler until
> 1995.
>
> "Walt & Lynda Johnson" <waterbirds@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
> news:3qKdnX5qVfl5gl7eRVn-qA@usadatanet.net...
> > I've had exactly the same problem with my 1986 Cherokee. What is
> > happening is that the vacuum motor on the axle isn't disengaging
> > the axles from the differential. Simply replace the vacuum motor
> > with a new one and the problem will go away.
> >
> > On the Cherokee, instead of freewheeling hubs, the right hand side
> > axle is split with two splined sections. Normal 2WD operation the
> > spline joiner is slid on to one axle section. The spider gears
> > in the differential rotate in opposite directions and the
> > differential center section is stationary. When placed in 4WD, the
> > spline joiner slides to connect the two splined axle sections thereby
> > locking up the axle. There are three hoses, one to engage the
> > axle via the vacuum motor, the second to disengage the axle via the
> > vacuum motor, and the third to send the "I'm locked up" message
> > to the light on the dashboard.
> >
> > Walt Johnson.
> >
> > <phillip_putzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> > news:1136815927.249344.47240@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> >> I have the 4 low - 2 high and 4 high options for the transfer case. My
> >> neighborhood isn't plowed normally so soem morning I have to start out
> >> in 4 high until I hit the main street. Then it might take 10-15 minutes
> >> to diesngage and lately when it finally disengages there is a massive
> >> pop when it disengages. I have tried going into reverse a few feet and
> >> then driving off but that doesn't seem to work.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Madonna

Gentlemen,

What an interesting exchange. I have a 94 Cherokee, LTD SE 4.0 Auto, which I
recently bought. Same problem with shifting in and out of 4 wheel part-time
and 4 wheel full time. Often sticks in 4W part time. Only way to get out to
2W is either stoop and reverse a little or wait ages.

Always seem worse when everything is cold.

Anyway, greetings from England/
..

Keith


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:k_KdndzdaoA8OF7eRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> The '97 Cherokee does not have the front axle disconnect. They did away
with
> that in '92 or 93 in the Cherokee. It remained in the YJ Wrangler until
> 1995.
>
> "Walt & Lynda Johnson" <waterbirds@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
> news:3qKdnX5qVfl5gl7eRVn-qA@usadatanet.net...
> > I've had exactly the same problem with my 1986 Cherokee. What is
> > happening is that the vacuum motor on the axle isn't disengaging
> > the axles from the differential. Simply replace the vacuum motor
> > with a new one and the problem will go away.
> >
> > On the Cherokee, instead of freewheeling hubs, the right hand side
> > axle is split with two splined sections. Normal 2WD operation the
> > spline joiner is slid on to one axle section. The spider gears
> > in the differential rotate in opposite directions and the
> > differential center section is stationary. When placed in 4WD, the
> > spline joiner slides to connect the two splined axle sections thereby
> > locking up the axle. There are three hoses, one to engage the
> > axle via the vacuum motor, the second to disengage the axle via the
> > vacuum motor, and the third to send the "I'm locked up" message
> > to the light on the dashboard.
> >
> > Walt Johnson.
> >
> > <phillip_putzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> > news:1136815927.249344.47240@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> >> I have the 4 low - 2 high and 4 high options for the transfer case. My
> >> neighborhood isn't plowed normally so soem morning I have to start out
> >> in 4 high until I hit the main street. Then it might take 10-15 minutes
> >> to diesngage and lately when it finally disengages there is a massive
> >> pop when it disengages. I have tried going into reverse a few feet and
> >> then driving off but that doesn't seem to work.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Vito

The OPs address going from 2w to 4wd and back. My new-to-me 94 Cherokee has
only 4H-N-4L positions. This is my first 4WD of that type. When making sharper
corners, like when parking, it "crabs" like my previous 4WD vehicles would do if
I had forgotten to take them out of 4WD. This can't be too good for the
U-joints or other componants. Is this normal or do I need to fix something and
if the latter, what?? TIA, Vito.

Vito

The OPs address going from 2w to 4wd and back. My new-to-me 94 Cherokee has
only 4H-N-4L positions. This is my first 4WD of that type. When making sharper
corners, like when parking, it "crabs" like my previous 4WD vehicles would do if
I had forgotten to take them out of 4WD. This can't be too good for the
U-joints or other componants. Is this normal or do I need to fix something and
if the latter, what?? TIA, Vito.

Vito

The OPs address going from 2w to 4wd and back. My new-to-me 94 Cherokee has
only 4H-N-4L positions. This is my first 4WD of that type. When making sharper
corners, like when parking, it "crabs" like my previous 4WD vehicles would do if
I had forgotten to take them out of 4WD. This can't be too good for the
U-joints or other componants. Is this normal or do I need to fix something and
if the latter, what?? TIA, Vito.