Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

check the groundas at the bolts were the coil bolts to the block

maleemi wrote:

> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
> solved.....right?
>
> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
> I'm stuck.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marcel

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

check the groundas at the bolts were the coil bolts to the block

maleemi wrote:

> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
> solved.....right?
>
> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
> I'm stuck.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marcel

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

check the groundas at the bolts were the coil bolts to the block

maleemi wrote:

> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
> solved.....right?
>
> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
> I'm stuck.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marcel

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

Lee Ayrton proclaimed:

> On Thu, 31 May 2007, DougW wrote:
>
>> maleemi wrote:
>>
>>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid,
>>> no noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the
>>> fuel pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc
>>> worked fine but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After
>>> a bit of head scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in
>>> neutral, pushed it forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it
>>> started right up. I've been driving for the last week and everything
>>> was fine. Problem solved.....right?
>>>
>>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I
>>> put it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this
>>> time.....nothing. I hooked up jumper cables to another running car
>>> without any luck. So now I'm stuck.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>>
>>
>> Check the connector that runs to the crankshaft position sensor.
>> (about 11 o clock on the transmission housing) The connector is
>> either back from the throttle body or over by the dipstick.
>>
>> Disconnect, reconnect, try again.
>
>
> I don't see where the CPS has any part to play in allowing the starter
> motor to crank. A bad CPS may keep it from starting, but not from
> cranking.
>
>
>> It could also be the nutral safety switch, but I'm not sure
>> where it is on your year.
>
>
> That would by my bet. Marcel: Do you have a manual or automatic
> transmission? If it is an auto, did your back-up/reversing lights stop
> working? On the auto transmission there's a switch assembly that
> controls the backup lights and also prevents cranking while in any
> shifter position other than Park and Neutral. When you did get it to
> crank you were in Neutral, right?
>
> Bad news: For the auto that's a $400 part.
>
>
>
> --
> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
Before you spend 400 on a part you may not need, go buy a cheap volt
meter.


First try a Sears screwdriver across the solenoid.

The formal tactic is to check the voltage at the pick drive on the start
relay in the relay box. You CAN jumper across that relay if you are
not getting pick voltage.

If you don't get pick voltage, you'll need to chase it back thru the
part/neutral switch on the transmission, back up to the ignition switch.

I fought the same issue for almost two months before I got ticked off
and chased it down....then replaced a corroded ignition switch that the
dealer swore up and down rarely ever failed.

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

Lee Ayrton proclaimed:

> On Thu, 31 May 2007, DougW wrote:
>
>> maleemi wrote:
>>
>>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid,
>>> no noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the
>>> fuel pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc
>>> worked fine but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After
>>> a bit of head scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in
>>> neutral, pushed it forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it
>>> started right up. I've been driving for the last week and everything
>>> was fine. Problem solved.....right?
>>>
>>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I
>>> put it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this
>>> time.....nothing. I hooked up jumper cables to another running car
>>> without any luck. So now I'm stuck.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>>
>>
>> Check the connector that runs to the crankshaft position sensor.
>> (about 11 o clock on the transmission housing) The connector is
>> either back from the throttle body or over by the dipstick.
>>
>> Disconnect, reconnect, try again.
>
>
> I don't see where the CPS has any part to play in allowing the starter
> motor to crank. A bad CPS may keep it from starting, but not from
> cranking.
>
>
>> It could also be the nutral safety switch, but I'm not sure
>> where it is on your year.
>
>
> That would by my bet. Marcel: Do you have a manual or automatic
> transmission? If it is an auto, did your back-up/reversing lights stop
> working? On the auto transmission there's a switch assembly that
> controls the backup lights and also prevents cranking while in any
> shifter position other than Park and Neutral. When you did get it to
> crank you were in Neutral, right?
>
> Bad news: For the auto that's a $400 part.
>
>
>
> --
> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
Before you spend 400 on a part you may not need, go buy a cheap volt
meter.


First try a Sears screwdriver across the solenoid.

The formal tactic is to check the voltage at the pick drive on the start
relay in the relay box. You CAN jumper across that relay if you are
not getting pick voltage.

If you don't get pick voltage, you'll need to chase it back thru the
part/neutral switch on the transmission, back up to the ignition switch.

I fought the same issue for almost two months before I got ticked off
and chased it down....then replaced a corroded ignition switch that the
dealer swore up and down rarely ever failed.

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

Lee Ayrton proclaimed:

> On Thu, 31 May 2007, DougW wrote:
>
>> maleemi wrote:
>>
>>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid,
>>> no noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the
>>> fuel pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc
>>> worked fine but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After
>>> a bit of head scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in
>>> neutral, pushed it forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it
>>> started right up. I've been driving for the last week and everything
>>> was fine. Problem solved.....right?
>>>
>>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I
>>> put it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this
>>> time.....nothing. I hooked up jumper cables to another running car
>>> without any luck. So now I'm stuck.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>>
>>
>> Check the connector that runs to the crankshaft position sensor.
>> (about 11 o clock on the transmission housing) The connector is
>> either back from the throttle body or over by the dipstick.
>>
>> Disconnect, reconnect, try again.
>
>
> I don't see where the CPS has any part to play in allowing the starter
> motor to crank. A bad CPS may keep it from starting, but not from
> cranking.
>
>
>> It could also be the nutral safety switch, but I'm not sure
>> where it is on your year.
>
>
> That would by my bet. Marcel: Do you have a manual or automatic
> transmission? If it is an auto, did your back-up/reversing lights stop
> working? On the auto transmission there's a switch assembly that
> controls the backup lights and also prevents cranking while in any
> shifter position other than Park and Neutral. When you did get it to
> crank you were in Neutral, right?
>
> Bad news: For the auto that's a $400 part.
>
>
>
> --
> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
Before you spend 400 on a part you may not need, go buy a cheap volt
meter.


First try a Sears screwdriver across the solenoid.

The formal tactic is to check the voltage at the pick drive on the start
relay in the relay box. You CAN jumper across that relay if you are
not getting pick voltage.

If you don't get pick voltage, you'll need to chase it back thru the
part/neutral switch on the transmission, back up to the ignition switch.

I fought the same issue for almost two months before I got ticked off
and chased it down....then replaced a corroded ignition switch that the
dealer swore up and down rarely ever failed.

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

Lee Ayrton proclaimed:

> On Thu, 31 May 2007, DougW wrote:
>
>> maleemi wrote:
>>
>>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid,
>>> no noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the
>>> fuel pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc
>>> worked fine but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After
>>> a bit of head scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in
>>> neutral, pushed it forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it
>>> started right up. I've been driving for the last week and everything
>>> was fine. Problem solved.....right?
>>>
>>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I
>>> put it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this
>>> time.....nothing. I hooked up jumper cables to another running car
>>> without any luck. So now I'm stuck.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>>
>>
>> Check the connector that runs to the crankshaft position sensor.
>> (about 11 o clock on the transmission housing) The connector is
>> either back from the throttle body or over by the dipstick.
>>
>> Disconnect, reconnect, try again.
>
>
> I don't see where the CPS has any part to play in allowing the starter
> motor to crank. A bad CPS may keep it from starting, but not from
> cranking.
>
>
>> It could also be the nutral safety switch, but I'm not sure
>> where it is on your year.
>
>
> That would by my bet. Marcel: Do you have a manual or automatic
> transmission? If it is an auto, did your back-up/reversing lights stop
> working? On the auto transmission there's a switch assembly that
> controls the backup lights and also prevents cranking while in any
> shifter position other than Park and Neutral. When you did get it to
> crank you were in Neutral, right?
>
> Bad news: For the auto that's a $400 part.
>
>
>
> --
> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
Before you spend 400 on a part you may not need, go buy a cheap volt
meter.


First try a Sears screwdriver across the solenoid.

The formal tactic is to check the voltage at the pick drive on the start
relay in the relay box. You CAN jumper across that relay if you are
not getting pick voltage.

If you don't get pick voltage, you'll need to chase it back thru the
part/neutral switch on the transmission, back up to the ignition switch.

I fought the same issue for almost two months before I got ticked off
and chased it down....then replaced a corroded ignition switch that the
dealer swore up and down rarely ever failed.

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

Mike Romain proclaimed:

> The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
>
>> On Jun 1, 5:13 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> The automatic's switch is a $400.00 freaking part.
>>>
>>> The switch can be adjusted and rebuilt usually, but then if he wiggled
>>> the gear shift just out of the exact stop area, it would start.
>>>
>>> here is a link on messing with one
>>> kind:http://www.dirtdevils.org/XJNutralSwitch.htm
>>>
>>
>> I checked Autozone.com, entered "96 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 6cyl auto"
>> and clicked the Neutral Safety Switch in the electrical section. $15
>> in stock at my local store.
>>
>> Is there another neutral safety switch? If there is and it's $400,
>> I'd bypass it and put in a toggle for the reverse lights.
>>
>>
>> -rev
>>
>>
>
> On the older ones it was integrated with the gear shift selector on the
> tranny. This was an expensive part.
>
> Good to see someone had some brains and changed it, unusual when they
> can sucker folks for 400, but hey.
>
> Mike

On the '95 it is a simple switch, dunno why they would go backwards on
the '96, but then this *is* Chrysler. Fairly cheap switch as memory
goes.

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

Mike Romain proclaimed:

> The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
>
>> On Jun 1, 5:13 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> The automatic's switch is a $400.00 freaking part.
>>>
>>> The switch can be adjusted and rebuilt usually, but then if he wiggled
>>> the gear shift just out of the exact stop area, it would start.
>>>
>>> here is a link on messing with one
>>> kind:http://www.dirtdevils.org/XJNutralSwitch.htm
>>>
>>
>> I checked Autozone.com, entered "96 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 6cyl auto"
>> and clicked the Neutral Safety Switch in the electrical section. $15
>> in stock at my local store.
>>
>> Is there another neutral safety switch? If there is and it's $400,
>> I'd bypass it and put in a toggle for the reverse lights.
>>
>>
>> -rev
>>
>>
>
> On the older ones it was integrated with the gear shift selector on the
> tranny. This was an expensive part.
>
> Good to see someone had some brains and changed it, unusual when they
> can sucker folks for 400, but hey.
>
> Mike

On the '95 it is a simple switch, dunno why they would go backwards on
the '96, but then this *is* Chrysler. Fairly cheap switch as memory
goes.

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

Mike Romain proclaimed:

> The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
>
>> On Jun 1, 5:13 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> The automatic's switch is a $400.00 freaking part.
>>>
>>> The switch can be adjusted and rebuilt usually, but then if he wiggled
>>> the gear shift just out of the exact stop area, it would start.
>>>
>>> here is a link on messing with one
>>> kind:http://www.dirtdevils.org/XJNutralSwitch.htm
>>>
>>
>> I checked Autozone.com, entered "96 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 6cyl auto"
>> and clicked the Neutral Safety Switch in the electrical section. $15
>> in stock at my local store.
>>
>> Is there another neutral safety switch? If there is and it's $400,
>> I'd bypass it and put in a toggle for the reverse lights.
>>
>>
>> -rev
>>
>>
>
> On the older ones it was integrated with the gear shift selector on the
> tranny. This was an expensive part.
>
> Good to see someone had some brains and changed it, unusual when they
> can sucker folks for 400, but hey.
>
> Mike

On the '95 it is a simple switch, dunno why they would go backwards on
the '96, but then this *is* Chrysler. Fairly cheap switch as memory
goes.