Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

On Thu, 31 May 2007, DougW wrote:

> maleemi wrote:
>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid,
>> no noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the
>> fuel pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc
>> worked fine but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After
>> a bit of head scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in
>> neutral, pushed it forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it
>> started right up. I've been driving for the last week and everything
>> was fine. Problem solved.....right?
>>
>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I
>> put it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this
>> time.....nothing. I hooked up jumper cables to another running car
>> without any luck. So now I'm stuck.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Check the connector that runs to the crankshaft position sensor.
> (about 11 o clock on the transmission housing) The connector is
> either back from the throttle body or over by the dipstick.
>
> Disconnect, reconnect, try again.

I don't see where the CPS has any part to play in allowing the starter
motor to crank. A bad CPS may keep it from starting, but not from
cranking.


> It could also be the nutral safety switch, but I'm not sure
> where it is on your year.

That would by my bet. Marcel: Do you have a manual or automatic
transmission? If it is an auto, did your back-up/reversing lights stop
working? On the auto transmission there's a switch assembly that controls
the backup lights and also prevents cranking while in any shifter position
other than Park and Neutral. When you did get it to crank you were in
Neutral, right?

Bad news: For the auto that's a $400 part.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

On Thu, 31 May 2007, DougW wrote:

> maleemi wrote:
>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid,
>> no noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the
>> fuel pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc
>> worked fine but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After
>> a bit of head scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in
>> neutral, pushed it forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it
>> started right up. I've been driving for the last week and everything
>> was fine. Problem solved.....right?
>>
>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I
>> put it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this
>> time.....nothing. I hooked up jumper cables to another running car
>> without any luck. So now I'm stuck.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Check the connector that runs to the crankshaft position sensor.
> (about 11 o clock on the transmission housing) The connector is
> either back from the throttle body or over by the dipstick.
>
> Disconnect, reconnect, try again.

I don't see where the CPS has any part to play in allowing the starter
motor to crank. A bad CPS may keep it from starting, but not from
cranking.


> It could also be the nutral safety switch, but I'm not sure
> where it is on your year.

That would by my bet. Marcel: Do you have a manual or automatic
transmission? If it is an auto, did your back-up/reversing lights stop
working? On the auto transmission there's a switch assembly that controls
the backup lights and also prevents cranking while in any shifter position
other than Park and Neutral. When you did get it to crank you were in
Neutral, right?

Bad news: For the auto that's a $400 part.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

On Thu, 31 May 2007, DougW wrote:

> maleemi wrote:
>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid,
>> no noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the
>> fuel pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc
>> worked fine but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After
>> a bit of head scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in
>> neutral, pushed it forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it
>> started right up. I've been driving for the last week and everything
>> was fine. Problem solved.....right?
>>
>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I
>> put it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this
>> time.....nothing. I hooked up jumper cables to another running car
>> without any luck. So now I'm stuck.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Check the connector that runs to the crankshaft position sensor.
> (about 11 o clock on the transmission housing) The connector is
> either back from the throttle body or over by the dipstick.
>
> Disconnect, reconnect, try again.

I don't see where the CPS has any part to play in allowing the starter
motor to crank. A bad CPS may keep it from starting, but not from
cranking.


> It could also be the nutral safety switch, but I'm not sure
> where it is on your year.

That would by my bet. Marcel: Do you have a manual or automatic
transmission? If it is an auto, did your back-up/reversing lights stop
working? On the auto transmission there's a switch assembly that controls
the backup lights and also prevents cranking while in any shifter position
other than Park and Neutral. When you did get it to crank you were in
Neutral, right?

Bad news: For the auto that's a $400 part.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

My vote goes for the neutral safety switch. Pushing the Jeep couldn't
have possibly done anything, but moving the shifter out of park might
have caused the switch to function temporarily. I don't know what Lee
Ayrton is smoking - it's a $15 part at Autozone.

Of course, it could be something different so do some diagnostic work
before throwing parts at it.


-rev




On May 31, 3:49 pm, maleemi <male...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
> solved.....right?
>
> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
> I'm stuck.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marcel

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

My vote goes for the neutral safety switch. Pushing the Jeep couldn't
have possibly done anything, but moving the shifter out of park might
have caused the switch to function temporarily. I don't know what Lee
Ayrton is smoking - it's a $15 part at Autozone.

Of course, it could be something different so do some diagnostic work
before throwing parts at it.


-rev




On May 31, 3:49 pm, maleemi <male...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
> solved.....right?
>
> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
> I'm stuck.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marcel

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

My vote goes for the neutral safety switch. Pushing the Jeep couldn't
have possibly done anything, but moving the shifter out of park might
have caused the switch to function temporarily. I don't know what Lee
Ayrton is smoking - it's a $15 part at Autozone.

Of course, it could be something different so do some diagnostic work
before throwing parts at it.


-rev




On May 31, 3:49 pm, maleemi <male...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
> solved.....right?
>
> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
> I'm stuck.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marcel

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

My vote goes for the neutral safety switch. Pushing the Jeep couldn't
have possibly done anything, but moving the shifter out of park might
have caused the switch to function temporarily. I don't know what Lee
Ayrton is smoking - it's a $15 part at Autozone.

Of course, it could be something different so do some diagnostic work
before throwing parts at it.


-rev




On May 31, 3:49 pm, maleemi <male...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
> solved.....right?
>
> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
> I'm stuck.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marcel

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

The automatic's switch is a $400.00 freaking part.

The switch can be adjusted and rebuilt usually, but then if he wiggled
the gear shift just out of the exact stop area, it would start.

here is a link on messing with one kind:
http://www.dirtdevils.org/XJNutralSwitch.htm

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
> My vote goes for the neutral safety switch. Pushing the Jeep couldn't
> have possibly done anything, but moving the shifter out of park might
> have caused the switch to function temporarily. I don't know what Lee
> Ayrton is smoking - it's a $15 part at Autozone.
>
> Of course, it could be something different so do some diagnostic work
> before throwing parts at it.
>
>
> -rev
>
>
>
>
> On May 31, 3:49 pm, maleemi <male...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
>> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
>> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
>> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
>> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
>> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
>> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
>> solved.....right?
>>
>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
>> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
>> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
>> I'm stuck.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Marcel
>
>

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

The automatic's switch is a $400.00 freaking part.

The switch can be adjusted and rebuilt usually, but then if he wiggled
the gear shift just out of the exact stop area, it would start.

here is a link on messing with one kind:
http://www.dirtdevils.org/XJNutralSwitch.htm

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
> My vote goes for the neutral safety switch. Pushing the Jeep couldn't
> have possibly done anything, but moving the shifter out of park might
> have caused the switch to function temporarily. I don't know what Lee
> Ayrton is smoking - it's a $15 part at Autozone.
>
> Of course, it could be something different so do some diagnostic work
> before throwing parts at it.
>
>
> -rev
>
>
>
>
> On May 31, 3:49 pm, maleemi <male...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
>> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
>> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
>> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
>> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
>> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
>> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
>> solved.....right?
>>
>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
>> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
>> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
>> I'm stuck.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Marcel
>
>

Re: '96 GC won't start...out of ideas
 

The automatic's switch is a $400.00 freaking part.

The switch can be adjusted and rebuilt usually, but then if he wiggled
the gear shift just out of the exact stop area, it would start.

here is a link on messing with one kind:
http://www.dirtdevils.org/XJNutralSwitch.htm

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
> My vote goes for the neutral safety switch. Pushing the Jeep couldn't
> have possibly done anything, but moving the shifter out of park might
> have caused the switch to function temporarily. I don't know what Lee
> Ayrton is smoking - it's a $15 part at Autozone.
>
> Of course, it could be something different so do some diagnostic work
> before throwing parts at it.
>
>
> -rev
>
>
>
>
> On May 31, 3:49 pm, maleemi <male...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Last week my '96 Grand Laredo 6 cyl. wouldn't start. When i turned the
>> key nothing happened. no starter motor...no chatter of the selinoid, no
>> noise at all except a whrrrr in the back that I assumed was the fuel
>> pump. The battery was charged, the head lights, stereo, etc worked fine
>> but the starter wouldn't even attempt to turn over. After a bit of head
>> scratching and for the heck of it I put the jeep in neutral, pushed it
>> forward a few feet and turned the key. Vroom...it started right up. I've
>> been driving for the last week and everything was fine. Problem
>> solved.....right?
>>
>> Wrong. Today I had the same problem again. The battery is charged but
>> the starter won't even attempt to turn over. I did the thing where I put
>> it in neutral and pushed it forward again but this time.....nothing. I
>> hooked up jumper cables to another running car without any luck. So now
>> I'm stuck.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what may be the problem and how I
>> can get the beloved jeep back on the road?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Marcel
>
>