94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
06-29-2007, 09:06 PM
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Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even maintain
traffic speed!
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> It is not that rare especail if you play hard off road with it
>
> Someone with your limited grasp would say something like this. The AX5
> to AX15 upgrade swap is fairly popular and well knows to anyone that
> REALLY knows Jeeps and how to build them (unlike yourself).
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traffic speed!
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>
> It is not that rare especail if you play hard off road with it
>
> Someone with your limited grasp would say something like this. The AX5
> to AX15 upgrade swap is fairly popular and well knows to anyone that
> REALLY knows Jeeps and how to build them (unlike yourself).
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
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06-30-2007, 08:11 AM
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Re: Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even maintain
>traffic speed!
They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even maintain
>traffic speed!
They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-30-2007, 08:11 AM
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Re: Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even maintain
>traffic speed!
They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even maintain
>traffic speed!
They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-30-2007, 08:11 AM
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Re: Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even maintain
>traffic speed!
They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even maintain
>traffic speed!
They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-30-2007, 08:11 AM
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Re: Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even maintain
>traffic speed!
They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even maintain
>traffic speed!
They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-30-2007, 09:53 PM
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Re: Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
Well fortunately for stupid people like you, you don't have any
mountains like California:
http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/...l?CacheID=8858 Nor
Traffic speeds: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/d11tmc/sdmap/showmap.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>
> > How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even
maintain
> >traffic speed!
>
> They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
> understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
> it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
> torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
> and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
> time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
> a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
> it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
> traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
> without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
> we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
> performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
> requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
> performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
> in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
> strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
> 2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
> it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
> traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
> 27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
> and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
> It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
> without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
> capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
> curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
> not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
> do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
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mountains like California:
http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/...l?CacheID=8858 Nor
Traffic speeds: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/d11tmc/sdmap/showmap.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>
> > How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even
maintain
> >traffic speed!
>
> They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
> understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
> it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
> torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
> and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
> time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
> a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
> it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
> traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
> without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
> we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
> performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
> requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
> performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
> in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
> strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
> 2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
> it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
> traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
> 27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
> and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
> It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
> without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
> capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
> curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
> not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
> do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
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06-30-2007, 09:53 PM
#67
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Re: Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
Well fortunately for stupid people like you, you don't have any
mountains like California:
http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/...l?CacheID=8858 Nor
Traffic speeds: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/d11tmc/sdmap/showmap.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:iagc83p3l9ef58rlstpl1p386nek4b3jbd@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>
> > How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even
maintain
> >traffic speed!
>
> They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
> understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
> it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
> torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
> and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
> time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
> a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
> it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
> traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
> without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
> we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
> performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
> requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
> performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
> in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
> strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
> 2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
> it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
> traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
> 27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
> and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
> It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
> without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
> capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
> curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
> not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
> do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
--
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mountains like California:
http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/...l?CacheID=8858 Nor
Traffic speeds: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/d11tmc/sdmap/showmap.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>
> > How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even
maintain
> >traffic speed!
>
> They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
> understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
> it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
> torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
> and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
> time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
> a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
> it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
> traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
> without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
> we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
> performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
> requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
> performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
> in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
> strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
> 2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
> it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
> traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
> 27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
> and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
> It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
> without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
> capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
> curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
> not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
> do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
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Re: Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
Well fortunately for stupid people like you, you don't have any
mountains like California:
http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/...l?CacheID=8858 Nor
Traffic speeds: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/d11tmc/sdmap/showmap.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>
> > How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even
maintain
> >traffic speed!
>
> They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
> understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
> it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
> torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
> and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
> time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
> a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
> it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
> traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
> without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
> we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
> performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
> requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
> performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
> in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
> strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
> 2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
> it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
> traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
> 27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
> and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
> It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
> without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
> capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
> curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
> not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
> do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
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mountains like California:
http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/...l?CacheID=8858 Nor
Traffic speeds: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/d11tmc/sdmap/showmap.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>
> > How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even
maintain
> >traffic speed!
>
> They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
> understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
> it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
> torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
> and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
> time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
> a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
> it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
> traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
> without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
> we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
> performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
> requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
> performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
> in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
> strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
> 2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
> it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
> traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
> 27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
> and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
> It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
> without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
> capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
> curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
> not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
> do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
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06-30-2007, 09:53 PM
#69
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Re: Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
Well fortunately for stupid people like you, you don't have any
mountains like California:
http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/...l?CacheID=8858 Nor
Traffic speeds: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/d11tmc/sdmap/showmap.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:iagc83p3l9ef58rlstpl1p386nek4b3jbd@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>
> > How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even
maintain
> >traffic speed!
>
> They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
> understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
> it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
> torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
> and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
> time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
> a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
> it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
> traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
> without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
> we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
> performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
> requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
> performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
> in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
> strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
> 2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
> it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
> traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
> 27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
> and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
> It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
> without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
> capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
> curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
> not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
> do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
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mountains like California:
http://www.navicache.com/cgi-bin/db/...l?CacheID=8858 Nor
Traffic speeds: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/d11tmc/sdmap/showmap.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:iagc83p3l9ef58rlstpl1p386nek4b3jbd@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:06:44 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>
> > How can you play hard with a four banger?????? They can't even
maintain
> >traffic speed!
>
> They only people that would say that are one with limited vision and
> understanding like you and Mike Romain. the AMC 2.5 does a fine job if
> it has propergearing for the load on it and it has good low speed
> torque for its size and is a sturdy engine. If you install big tires
> and a lift with stock gears it will no do well but if you take the
> time to regear it is will do a fine job. IWe have a 2000 cherokee with
> a 2.5 and a 5 speed we bought new and it has 81K miles on it now and
> it has stock tires and 4.10 gears and it does not lack at all in
> traffic. (it has even pulled a 2K trailer a few times around town
> without busting a gut) We drove a few 4.0 cheokee with 5 speeds before
> we bought the 2.5 one and I was not impressed by the overall
> performance on the 4.0 one with its stock factory 3.07 gears that
> requires a lot more clutch action to get rolling and uninspiring OD
> performance while the 2.5 one with 4.10 gear was more "fun" to drive
> in town where it sees most of its life. That little 2.5 will pull OD
> strongly from 30 MPH if you want it too. I never regreted getting a
> 2.5 in it and would do it over. It also get pretty good MPG for what
> it is with consistant very high teens to low 20's in urban/city
> traffic using A/C too. On highway it will do about 25 MPG and once got
> 27. I knew a guy that had one in a old wrangler with a lift and gears
> and it had 150K on it before he killed it when he sank it in a pond.
> It did a fine job until then. People that install lift and tires
> without gear will complain it is a bad motor because they lack the
> capacity to understand that you need proper gearing to match power
> curve to load. It is all about the gearing and effective gear ratio ,
> not about using low range more and giving up 5th gear as people that
> do this really do not understand the bigger picture here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
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07-01-2007, 06:59 AM
#70
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Re: Re: Re: Re: 94 Wrangler grinds shifting into 4th, HELP! Please
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:53:05 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> Well fortunately for stupid people like you, you don't have any
>mountains like California:
You mean people like you do not know what real mountains are. I spent
a lot of time in rockies and I lived at about 7000 ft MSL and that was
in a valley too. I have been above 12000 feet in a vehicle a lot and
driven up peaks peak 4 times and there is NOTHING that you can tell me
about high altitude driving. Also one of the quickest trips up and
down the "peak" was in a 4 cyl Toyota. (high tesh 4 valve per cylinder
engine seem to far better in thin air because of increased induction
effecency) There was actually a time before exhaust emission days that
vehicle bound for high elevation sales came with deeper axle ratios.
All naturally aspiried engines loss power with altitude and deeper
gears can help more than a air filter or dual exhaust. There are those
like you and Mike though that think gears do not matter at all. How
did the Jeep ever rise to fame in WW2 with its 60 HP engine? Gears
that made good use of availble power.
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<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> Well fortunately for stupid people like you, you don't have any
>mountains like California:
You mean people like you do not know what real mountains are. I spent
a lot of time in rockies and I lived at about 7000 ft MSL and that was
in a valley too. I have been above 12000 feet in a vehicle a lot and
driven up peaks peak 4 times and there is NOTHING that you can tell me
about high altitude driving. Also one of the quickest trips up and
down the "peak" was in a 4 cyl Toyota. (high tesh 4 valve per cylinder
engine seem to far better in thin air because of increased induction
effecency) There was actually a time before exhaust emission days that
vehicle bound for high elevation sales came with deeper axle ratios.
All naturally aspiried engines loss power with altitude and deeper
gears can help more than a air filter or dual exhaust. There are those
like you and Mike though that think gears do not matter at all. How
did the Jeep ever rise to fame in WW2 with its 60 HP engine? Gears
that made good use of availble power.
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TheSnoMan.com