Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

Bill,
Thanks for the link - always good to see another few photos.

Yes, you understood me - it is the outer locknut is the one I can't remove.

The part in your link says "A screw driver is placed in the reses of the
nut, and a hammer hits it. This is done several times to losen the nut
untill removed.Tip: Buy a Axle Nut socket if your doing this more and a
couple times"

If you look in my link ( http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg ) you
will see how chewed up it is with someone else's efforts with screw drivers
and hammers. Also, something has worn the crap out of the face of it (
compare it to the one in your link
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images...nut_washer.jpg )
..
Well, I've got the tool and it ain't budging. Not even with an impact driver
on the socket, and I hit it hard.

btw, I thought it was the *inner* locknut that has the pin that locates in
the "axle nut washer" ?

Dave



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:41D338D7.30C9CF88@cox.net...
> Hi Dave,
> I'm not understanding your problem, the outer lock nut is just over
> finger tight, if we torqued it much tighter, say at ten pounds would
> shear the little interlocking pin that sits crossways in the keyed
> washer between the nuts: http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/Mr.N44.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I'm positive it is the right one, although the tool Im using was
advertised
> > for a Ford Bronco/Wagoneer. It's a perfect fit for the replacement
locknut
> > that the dealer supplied (marked Wagoneer), but this nut as you can see
from
> > the photos is badly mashed , so it fits but somewhat loosely. It didn't
pop
> > out when whacked with the impact driver. I've got a new punch to try,
but
> > I'm convinced it's going to have to be a drill/chisel job.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Jeremy Hupe" <jhupeSPAM@cableone.net> wrote in message
> > news:10t4hvf2l163mbd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Also there are 2-3 different sizes of nuts that have been used over
the
> > > years between jeep, chevy, ford, etc. make sure you have the right
sized
> > > socket.
> > >
> > > Jeremy

Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

Bill,
Thanks for the link - always good to see another few photos.

Yes, you understood me - it is the outer locknut is the one I can't remove.

The part in your link says "A screw driver is placed in the reses of the
nut, and a hammer hits it. This is done several times to losen the nut
untill removed.Tip: Buy a Axle Nut socket if your doing this more and a
couple times"

If you look in my link ( http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg ) you
will see how chewed up it is with someone else's efforts with screw drivers
and hammers. Also, something has worn the crap out of the face of it (
compare it to the one in your link
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images...nut_washer.jpg )
..
Well, I've got the tool and it ain't budging. Not even with an impact driver
on the socket, and I hit it hard.

btw, I thought it was the *inner* locknut that has the pin that locates in
the "axle nut washer" ?

Dave



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:41D338D7.30C9CF88@cox.net...
> Hi Dave,
> I'm not understanding your problem, the outer lock nut is just over
> finger tight, if we torqued it much tighter, say at ten pounds would
> shear the little interlocking pin that sits crossways in the keyed
> washer between the nuts: http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/Mr.N44.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I'm positive it is the right one, although the tool Im using was
advertised
> > for a Ford Bronco/Wagoneer. It's a perfect fit for the replacement
locknut
> > that the dealer supplied (marked Wagoneer), but this nut as you can see
from
> > the photos is badly mashed , so it fits but somewhat loosely. It didn't
pop
> > out when whacked with the impact driver. I've got a new punch to try,
but
> > I'm convinced it's going to have to be a drill/chisel job.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Jeremy Hupe" <jhupeSPAM@cableone.net> wrote in message
> > news:10t4hvf2l163mbd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Also there are 2-3 different sizes of nuts that have been used over
the
> > > years between jeep, chevy, ford, etc. make sure you have the right
sized
> > > socket.
> > >
> > > Jeremy

Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

You are just going to have to get a bigger hammer. Seriously! You need
a BFH to get it started, it looks to be friction spun to the point of
crushing the bearing cage. A 2.5 or even a 5lb BFH comes to mind.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Thanks for the link - always good to see another few photos.
>
> Yes, you understood me - it is the outer locknut is the one I can't remove.
>
> The part in your link says "A screw driver is placed in the reses of the
> nut, and a hammer hits it. This is done several times to losen the nut
> untill removed.Tip: Buy a Axle Nut socket if your doing this more and a
> couple times"
>
> If you look in my link ( http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg ) you
> will see how chewed up it is with someone else's efforts with screw drivers
> and hammers. Also, something has worn the crap out of the face of it (
> compare it to the one in your link
> http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images...nut_washer.jpg )
> .
> Well, I've got the tool and it ain't budging. Not even with an impact driver
> on the socket, and I hit it hard.
>
> btw, I thought it was the *inner* locknut that has the pin that locates in
> the "axle nut washer" ?
>
> Dave
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:41D338D7.30C9CF88@cox.net...
> > Hi Dave,
> > I'm not understanding your problem, the outer lock nut is just over
> > finger tight, if we torqued it much tighter, say at ten pounds would
> > shear the little interlocking pin that sits crossways in the keyed
> > washer between the nuts: http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/Mr.N44.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm positive it is the right one, although the tool Im using was
> advertised
> > > for a Ford Bronco/Wagoneer. It's a perfect fit for the replacement
> locknut
> > > that the dealer supplied (marked Wagoneer), but this nut as you can see
> from
> > > the photos is badly mashed , so it fits but somewhat loosely. It didn't
> pop
> > > out when whacked with the impact driver. I've got a new punch to try,
> but
> > > I'm convinced it's going to have to be a drill/chisel job.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > "Jeremy Hupe" <jhupeSPAM@cableone.net> wrote in message
> > > news:10t4hvf2l163mbd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Also there are 2-3 different sizes of nuts that have been used over
> the
> > > > years between jeep, chevy, ford, etc. make sure you have the right
> sized
> > > > socket.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy

Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

You are just going to have to get a bigger hammer. Seriously! You need
a BFH to get it started, it looks to be friction spun to the point of
crushing the bearing cage. A 2.5 or even a 5lb BFH comes to mind.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Thanks for the link - always good to see another few photos.
>
> Yes, you understood me - it is the outer locknut is the one I can't remove.
>
> The part in your link says "A screw driver is placed in the reses of the
> nut, and a hammer hits it. This is done several times to losen the nut
> untill removed.Tip: Buy a Axle Nut socket if your doing this more and a
> couple times"
>
> If you look in my link ( http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg ) you
> will see how chewed up it is with someone else's efforts with screw drivers
> and hammers. Also, something has worn the crap out of the face of it (
> compare it to the one in your link
> http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images...nut_washer.jpg )
> .
> Well, I've got the tool and it ain't budging. Not even with an impact driver
> on the socket, and I hit it hard.
>
> btw, I thought it was the *inner* locknut that has the pin that locates in
> the "axle nut washer" ?
>
> Dave
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:41D338D7.30C9CF88@cox.net...
> > Hi Dave,
> > I'm not understanding your problem, the outer lock nut is just over
> > finger tight, if we torqued it much tighter, say at ten pounds would
> > shear the little interlocking pin that sits crossways in the keyed
> > washer between the nuts: http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/Mr.N44.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm positive it is the right one, although the tool Im using was
> advertised
> > > for a Ford Bronco/Wagoneer. It's a perfect fit for the replacement
> locknut
> > > that the dealer supplied (marked Wagoneer), but this nut as you can see
> from
> > > the photos is badly mashed , so it fits but somewhat loosely. It didn't
> pop
> > > out when whacked with the impact driver. I've got a new punch to try,
> but
> > > I'm convinced it's going to have to be a drill/chisel job.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > "Jeremy Hupe" <jhupeSPAM@cableone.net> wrote in message
> > > news:10t4hvf2l163mbd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Also there are 2-3 different sizes of nuts that have been used over
> the
> > > > years between jeep, chevy, ford, etc. make sure you have the right
> sized
> > > > socket.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy

Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

You are just going to have to get a bigger hammer. Seriously! You need
a BFH to get it started, it looks to be friction spun to the point of
crushing the bearing cage. A 2.5 or even a 5lb BFH comes to mind.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Thanks for the link - always good to see another few photos.
>
> Yes, you understood me - it is the outer locknut is the one I can't remove.
>
> The part in your link says "A screw driver is placed in the reses of the
> nut, and a hammer hits it. This is done several times to losen the nut
> untill removed.Tip: Buy a Axle Nut socket if your doing this more and a
> couple times"
>
> If you look in my link ( http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg ) you
> will see how chewed up it is with someone else's efforts with screw drivers
> and hammers. Also, something has worn the crap out of the face of it (
> compare it to the one in your link
> http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images...nut_washer.jpg )
> .
> Well, I've got the tool and it ain't budging. Not even with an impact driver
> on the socket, and I hit it hard.
>
> btw, I thought it was the *inner* locknut that has the pin that locates in
> the "axle nut washer" ?
>
> Dave
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:41D338D7.30C9CF88@cox.net...
> > Hi Dave,
> > I'm not understanding your problem, the outer lock nut is just over
> > finger tight, if we torqued it much tighter, say at ten pounds would
> > shear the little interlocking pin that sits crossways in the keyed
> > washer between the nuts: http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/Mr.N44.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm positive it is the right one, although the tool Im using was
> advertised
> > > for a Ford Bronco/Wagoneer. It's a perfect fit for the replacement
> locknut
> > > that the dealer supplied (marked Wagoneer), but this nut as you can see
> from
> > > the photos is badly mashed , so it fits but somewhat loosely. It didn't
> pop
> > > out when whacked with the impact driver. I've got a new punch to try,
> but
> > > I'm convinced it's going to have to be a drill/chisel job.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > "Jeremy Hupe" <jhupeSPAM@cableone.net> wrote in message
> > > news:10t4hvf2l163mbd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Also there are 2-3 different sizes of nuts that have been used over
> the
> > > > years between jeep, chevy, ford, etc. make sure you have the right
> sized
> > > > socket.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy

Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

How much air pressure are you using for the air hammer, try increasing air
pressure to as much as possible.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:BxEAd.84205$ef5.62245@fe1.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Impact driver won't move it - damn that thing is on tight.
> I'll have go with a steel punch tomorrow, but it is looking like a drill
> and
> chisel job.
>
> It also looks seriously chewed on the face - probably due to the absence
> of
> that
> spring.
>
> Dave
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:JzVzd.7663$Ar5.6125@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
>> There wasn't a spacer there either - that was the strange thing.
>> I'm pretty confident that is the lock nut - it's on extremely tight, so
> I'll
>> have to smack it with an impact driver.
>> http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg
>> http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer2.jpg
>> http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer3.jpg
>
>

Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

How much air pressure are you using for the air hammer, try increasing air
pressure to as much as possible.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:BxEAd.84205$ef5.62245@fe1.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Impact driver won't move it - damn that thing is on tight.
> I'll have go with a steel punch tomorrow, but it is looking like a drill
> and
> chisel job.
>
> It also looks seriously chewed on the face - probably due to the absence
> of
> that
> spring.
>
> Dave
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:JzVzd.7663$Ar5.6125@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
>> There wasn't a spacer there either - that was the strange thing.
>> I'm pretty confident that is the lock nut - it's on extremely tight, so
> I'll
>> have to smack it with an impact driver.
>> http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg
>> http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer2.jpg
>> http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer3.jpg
>
>

Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

How much air pressure are you using for the air hammer, try increasing air
pressure to as much as possible.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:BxEAd.84205$ef5.62245@fe1.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Impact driver won't move it - damn that thing is on tight.
> I'll have go with a steel punch tomorrow, but it is looking like a drill
> and
> chisel job.
>
> It also looks seriously chewed on the face - probably due to the absence
> of
> that
> spring.
>
> Dave
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:JzVzd.7663$Ar5.6125@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
>> There wasn't a spacer there either - that was the strange thing.
>> I'm pretty confident that is the lock nut - it's on extremely tight, so
> I'll
>> have to smack it with an impact driver.
>> http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg
>> http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer2.jpg
>> http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer3.jpg
>
>

Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

Hi Dave,
Bummer, that does look bad. I had a spindle crack and bend up,
loosening the bearings, making the snap ring and inner spline that the
lock ring slides on, the only thing holding the wheel. Which in your
case must be turning with the wheel and wearing into yours. I still
can't image it peed enough to lock up, though. I have had to take a
torch and cut the nut and race off a couple of two wheel drive cars.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Thanks for the link - always good to see another few photos.
>
> Yes, you understood me - it is the outer locknut is the one I can't remove.
>
> The part in your link says "A screw driver is placed in the reses of the
> nut, and a hammer hits it. This is done several times to losen the nut
> untill removed.Tip: Buy a Axle Nut socket if your doing this more and a
> couple times"
>
> If you look in my link ( http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg ) you
> will see how chewed up it is with someone else's efforts with screw drivers
> and hammers. Also, something has worn the crap out of the face of it (
> compare it to the one in your link
> http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images...nut_washer.jpg )
> .
> Well, I've got the tool and it ain't budging. Not even with an impact driver
> on the socket, and I hit it hard.
>
> btw, I thought it was the *inner* locknut that has the pin that locates in
> the "axle nut washer" ?
>
> Dave
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:41D338D7.30C9CF88@cox.net...
> > Hi Dave,
> > I'm not understanding your problem, the outer lock nut is just over
> > finger tight, if we torqued it much tighter, say at ten pounds would
> > shear the little interlocking pin that sits crossways in the keyed
> > washer between the nuts: http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/Mr.N44.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm positive it is the right one, although the tool Im using was
> advertised
> > > for a Ford Bronco/Wagoneer. It's a perfect fit for the replacement
> locknut
> > > that the dealer supplied (marked Wagoneer), but this nut as you can see
> from
> > > the photos is badly mashed , so it fits but somewhat loosely. It didn't
> pop
> > > out when whacked with the impact driver. I've got a new punch to try,
> but
> > > I'm convinced it's going to have to be a drill/chisel job.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > "Jeremy Hupe" <jhupeSPAM@cableone.net> wrote in message
> > > news:10t4hvf2l163mbd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Also there are 2-3 different sizes of nuts that have been used over
> the
> > > > years between jeep, chevy, ford, etc. make sure you have the right
> sized
> > > > socket.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy

Re: 91 Wagoneer Wheel bearing replacement problems
 

Hi Dave,
Bummer, that does look bad. I had a spindle crack and bend up,
loosening the bearings, making the snap ring and inner spline that the
lock ring slides on, the only thing holding the wheel. Which in your
case must be turning with the wheel and wearing into yours. I still
can't image it peed enough to lock up, though. I have had to take a
torch and cut the nut and race off a couple of two wheel drive cars.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Thanks for the link - always good to see another few photos.
>
> Yes, you understood me - it is the outer locknut is the one I can't remove.
>
> The part in your link says "A screw driver is placed in the reses of the
> nut, and a hammer hits it. This is done several times to losen the nut
> untill removed.Tip: Buy a Axle Nut socket if your doing this more and a
> couple times"
>
> If you look in my link ( http://www.brintsoft.com/dave/retainer1.jpg ) you
> will see how chewed up it is with someone else's efforts with screw drivers
> and hammers. Also, something has worn the crap out of the face of it (
> compare it to the one in your link
> http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/images...nut_washer.jpg )
> .
> Well, I've got the tool and it ain't budging. Not even with an impact driver
> on the socket, and I hit it hard.
>
> btw, I thought it was the *inner* locknut that has the pin that locates in
> the "axle nut washer" ?
>
> Dave
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:41D338D7.30C9CF88@cox.net...
> > Hi Dave,
> > I'm not understanding your problem, the outer lock nut is just over
> > finger tight, if we torqued it much tighter, say at ten pounds would
> > shear the little interlocking pin that sits crossways in the keyed
> > washer between the nuts: http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/Mr.N44.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm positive it is the right one, although the tool Im using was
> advertised
> > > for a Ford Bronco/Wagoneer. It's a perfect fit for the replacement
> locknut
> > > that the dealer supplied (marked Wagoneer), but this nut as you can see
> from
> > > the photos is badly mashed , so it fits but somewhat loosely. It didn't
> pop
> > > out when whacked with the impact driver. I've got a new punch to try,
> but
> > > I'm convinced it's going to have to be a drill/chisel job.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > "Jeremy Hupe" <jhupeSPAM@cableone.net> wrote in message
> > > news:10t4hvf2l163mbd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Also there are 2-3 different sizes of nuts that have been used over
> the
> > > > years between jeep, chevy, ford, etc. make sure you have the right
> sized
> > > > socket.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy