89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
06-09-2006, 06:53 AM
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
THere is a mod you can make to the wiring of the TCU to get what you want, I
think Bill provided it.
Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If not,
whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's not good
for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling low?
>
> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>
think Bill provided it.
Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If not,
whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's not good
for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling low?
>
> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>
06-09-2006, 06:53 AM
#12
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
THere is a mod you can make to the wiring of the TCU to get what you want, I
think Bill provided it.
Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If not,
whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's not good
for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling low?
>
> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>
think Bill provided it.
Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If not,
whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's not good
for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling low?
>
> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>
06-09-2006, 06:53 AM
#13
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
THere is a mod you can make to the wiring of the TCU to get what you want, I
think Bill provided it.
Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If not,
whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's not good
for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling low?
>
> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>
think Bill provided it.
Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If not,
whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's not good
for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling low?
>
> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>
06-09-2006, 11:50 AM
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
There we go, the King of Links has come thru again. Thanks Bill.
Matt, whatever you call it it oversteers on the curves.
I'm not sure what you mean here, the stock setup should have parellel rods,
right?
Since I have a 4 inch Skyjacker lift, your statement seems to say the
opposite. A drop pitman arm on a lift is a bad thing?
>The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
Matt, whatever you call it it oversteers on the curves.
I'm not sure what you mean here, the stock setup should have parellel rods,
right?
Since I have a 4 inch Skyjacker lift, your statement seems to say the
opposite. A drop pitman arm on a lift is a bad thing?
>The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
06-09-2006, 11:50 AM
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
There we go, the King of Links has come thru again. Thanks Bill.
Matt, whatever you call it it oversteers on the curves.
I'm not sure what you mean here, the stock setup should have parellel rods,
right?
Since I have a 4 inch Skyjacker lift, your statement seems to say the
opposite. A drop pitman arm on a lift is a bad thing?
>The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
Matt, whatever you call it it oversteers on the curves.
I'm not sure what you mean here, the stock setup should have parellel rods,
right?
Since I have a 4 inch Skyjacker lift, your statement seems to say the
opposite. A drop pitman arm on a lift is a bad thing?
>The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
06-09-2006, 11:50 AM
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
There we go, the King of Links has come thru again. Thanks Bill.
Matt, whatever you call it it oversteers on the curves.
I'm not sure what you mean here, the stock setup should have parellel rods,
right?
Since I have a 4 inch Skyjacker lift, your statement seems to say the
opposite. A drop pitman arm on a lift is a bad thing?
>The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
Matt, whatever you call it it oversteers on the curves.
I'm not sure what you mean here, the stock setup should have parellel rods,
right?
Since I have a 4 inch Skyjacker lift, your statement seems to say the
opposite. A drop pitman arm on a lift is a bad thing?
>The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
06-09-2006, 11:56 AM
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
By bumpsteer, do you mean that each time you go over a bump the thing wants
to pitch sideways? I have this problem with my '02 Durango when I go over a
particular set of bumpy railroad tracks on a curved road at about 45 mph.
The dealership said "huh?"
Pete
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:kNednSDZHpqIzhTZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> THere is a mod you can make to the wiring of the TCU to get what you want,
> I think Bill provided it.
>
> Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
>
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
>> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
>> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
>> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
>> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling
>> low?
>>
>> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
>> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
>> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
>> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>
>
to pitch sideways? I have this problem with my '02 Durango when I go over a
particular set of bumpy railroad tracks on a curved road at about 45 mph.
The dealership said "huh?"
Pete
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:kNednSDZHpqIzhTZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> THere is a mod you can make to the wiring of the TCU to get what you want,
> I think Bill provided it.
>
> Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
>
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
>> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
>> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
>> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
>> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling
>> low?
>>
>> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
>> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
>> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
>> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>
>
06-09-2006, 11:56 AM
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
By bumpsteer, do you mean that each time you go over a bump the thing wants
to pitch sideways? I have this problem with my '02 Durango when I go over a
particular set of bumpy railroad tracks on a curved road at about 45 mph.
The dealership said "huh?"
Pete
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:kNednSDZHpqIzhTZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> THere is a mod you can make to the wiring of the TCU to get what you want,
> I think Bill provided it.
>
> Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
>
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
>> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
>> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
>> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
>> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling
>> low?
>>
>> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
>> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
>> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
>> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>
>
to pitch sideways? I have this problem with my '02 Durango when I go over a
particular set of bumpy railroad tracks on a curved road at about 45 mph.
The dealership said "huh?"
Pete
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:kNednSDZHpqIzhTZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> THere is a mod you can make to the wiring of the TCU to get what you want,
> I think Bill provided it.
>
> Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
>
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
>> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
>> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
>> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
>> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling
>> low?
>>
>> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
>> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
>> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
>> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>
>
06-09-2006, 11:56 AM
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
By bumpsteer, do you mean that each time you go over a bump the thing wants
to pitch sideways? I have this problem with my '02 Durango when I go over a
particular set of bumpy railroad tracks on a curved road at about 45 mph.
The dealership said "huh?"
Pete
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:kNednSDZHpqIzhTZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> THere is a mod you can make to the wiring of the TCU to get what you want,
> I think Bill provided it.
>
> Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
>
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
>> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
>> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
>> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
>> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling
>> low?
>>
>> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
>> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
>> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
>> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>
>
to pitch sideways? I have this problem with my '02 Durango when I go over a
particular set of bumpy railroad tracks on a curved road at about 45 mph.
The dealership said "huh?"
Pete
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:kNednSDZHpqIzhTZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> THere is a mod you can make to the wiring of the TCU to get what you want,
> I think Bill provided it.
>
> Re: the pitman arm: You said oversteer, do you mean bumpsteer? The drag
> link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If the
> DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
>
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:4erv0fF1fk7jvU1@individual.net...
>> The automatic has 3 forward positions, (over) Drive, 3, and "1-2". Pretty
>> silly, on many of these mountain roads 3 is too high and if you put it in
>> 1-2 it kicks into 1 unexpectedy.
>> Anyone know if you can modify the trans to go into 2 without enabling
>> low?
>>
>> The thing has a 4 inch lift on it, the pitman arm would be a 4 inch drop
>> if the shaft was vertical, but it's angled so it has effectively no drop
>> and the drag link is at about a 10-15 degree angle, probably causing the
>> oversteer. Is this a drop pitman arm, or stock?
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>
>
06-09-2006, 12:44 PM
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
Historical note: On CJs, YJs, FSJs and other vehicles with proper leaf
springs on the front, you had to have a drop pitman arm with a lift kit,
because the link from the pitman arm to the knuckle is designed to be
horizontal in the rest position. On your vehicles with wussy coil spring
front suspensions, there is a different steering link design, where it is
more important that the links be parallel. Here use of a drop pitman arm is
contraindicated. From what I have read here, some of the manufacturers of
lift kits for these vehicles include a drop pitman arm, because customers
expect it, because they can charge markup on it, or for some other reason
not related to sound engineering principles.
Earle
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4etjloF1gcphaU1@individual.net...
> There we go, the King of Links has come thru again. Thanks Bill.
>
>
> Matt, whatever you call it it oversteers on the curves.
> I'm not sure what you mean here, the stock setup should have parellel
rods,
> right?
> Since I have a 4 inch Skyjacker lift, your statement seems to say the
> opposite. A drop pitman arm on a lift is a bad thing?
>
> >The drag
> > link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If
the
> > DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> > not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> > not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
>
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>
>
--
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springs on the front, you had to have a drop pitman arm with a lift kit,
because the link from the pitman arm to the knuckle is designed to be
horizontal in the rest position. On your vehicles with wussy coil spring
front suspensions, there is a different steering link design, where it is
more important that the links be parallel. Here use of a drop pitman arm is
contraindicated. From what I have read here, some of the manufacturers of
lift kits for these vehicles include a drop pitman arm, because customers
expect it, because they can charge markup on it, or for some other reason
not related to sound engineering principles.
Earle
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:4etjloF1gcphaU1@individual.net...
> There we go, the King of Links has come thru again. Thanks Bill.
>
>
> Matt, whatever you call it it oversteers on the curves.
> I'm not sure what you mean here, the stock setup should have parellel
rods,
> right?
> Since I have a 4 inch Skyjacker lift, your statement seems to say the
> opposite. A drop pitman arm on a lift is a bad thing?
>
> >The drag
> > link should be parallel to the track bar or you will get bumpsteer. If
the
> > DL and TB are parallel you it's a stock pitman and you should be OK. If
> > not, whoever installed the lift installed a drop pitman arm, and that's
> > not good for the front suspension on an XJ, TJ, WJ or MJ.
>
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>
>
--
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