89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
06-11-2006, 12:46 PM
#51
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
Maybe, another rule is to never install a lift kit, or indeed any
performance enhancement, without making sure that all the base components
are in good condition, bolts are tight, bushings are tight, alignment is
within specs, tire pressure is reasonable and so forth. And then once you
have your performance enhancements installed, mindful of the increased wear
that is now likely, increase the frequency of maintenance inspections.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:448C436B.6888F8E1@sympatico.ca...
> He is only talking 10 deg. or so. I would think the track bar bracket
> might do the trick. Or nothing at all might be needed. He isn't
> describing bump steer but oversteer. Maybe a bad track bar end?
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > If you wanted to do it right, you would get a drop pitman arm (of the
proper
> > offset of course) and relocate the track bar both. Then you would
maintain
> > the proper, original steering linkage geometry.
> >
> > I live in Colorado, which must be the world capitol of lifted vehicles,
and
> > it does appear that very few Jeep owners, or owners of any lifted
vehicle
> > for that matter, have the desire to do the job right. Once they get the
> > body up there, and the huge tires installed, the posers call it good.
Tie
> > rods pointing in all directions, tiny half ton axles...
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:448AFB2B.835F7F2F@sympatico.ca...
> > > I am probably way off base here, but don't you just need to relocate
the
> > > track bar with a new bracket on those types of suspension and leave
the
> > > pitman alone?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stupendous Man wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I went to look at a neighbor's 96 ZJ, (2wd, 2.5 L, bad computer!),
and
> > it
> > > > has the same pitman arm, so mine is definately stock. I will be
ordering
> > one
> > > > and then building a steering box brace.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Stupendous Man,
> > > > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
performance enhancement, without making sure that all the base components
are in good condition, bolts are tight, bushings are tight, alignment is
within specs, tire pressure is reasonable and so forth. And then once you
have your performance enhancements installed, mindful of the increased wear
that is now likely, increase the frequency of maintenance inspections.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:448C436B.6888F8E1@sympatico.ca...
> He is only talking 10 deg. or so. I would think the track bar bracket
> might do the trick. Or nothing at all might be needed. He isn't
> describing bump steer but oversteer. Maybe a bad track bar end?
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > If you wanted to do it right, you would get a drop pitman arm (of the
proper
> > offset of course) and relocate the track bar both. Then you would
maintain
> > the proper, original steering linkage geometry.
> >
> > I live in Colorado, which must be the world capitol of lifted vehicles,
and
> > it does appear that very few Jeep owners, or owners of any lifted
vehicle
> > for that matter, have the desire to do the job right. Once they get the
> > body up there, and the huge tires installed, the posers call it good.
Tie
> > rods pointing in all directions, tiny half ton axles...
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:448AFB2B.835F7F2F@sympatico.ca...
> > > I am probably way off base here, but don't you just need to relocate
the
> > > track bar with a new bracket on those types of suspension and leave
the
> > > pitman alone?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stupendous Man wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I went to look at a neighbor's 96 ZJ, (2wd, 2.5 L, bad computer!),
and
> > it
> > > > has the same pitman arm, so mine is definately stock. I will be
ordering
> > one
> > > > and then building a steering box brace.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Stupendous Man,
> > > > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
06-11-2006, 12:46 PM
#52
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
Maybe, another rule is to never install a lift kit, or indeed any
performance enhancement, without making sure that all the base components
are in good condition, bolts are tight, bushings are tight, alignment is
within specs, tire pressure is reasonable and so forth. And then once you
have your performance enhancements installed, mindful of the increased wear
that is now likely, increase the frequency of maintenance inspections.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:448C436B.6888F8E1@sympatico.ca...
> He is only talking 10 deg. or so. I would think the track bar bracket
> might do the trick. Or nothing at all might be needed. He isn't
> describing bump steer but oversteer. Maybe a bad track bar end?
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > If you wanted to do it right, you would get a drop pitman arm (of the
proper
> > offset of course) and relocate the track bar both. Then you would
maintain
> > the proper, original steering linkage geometry.
> >
> > I live in Colorado, which must be the world capitol of lifted vehicles,
and
> > it does appear that very few Jeep owners, or owners of any lifted
vehicle
> > for that matter, have the desire to do the job right. Once they get the
> > body up there, and the huge tires installed, the posers call it good.
Tie
> > rods pointing in all directions, tiny half ton axles...
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:448AFB2B.835F7F2F@sympatico.ca...
> > > I am probably way off base here, but don't you just need to relocate
the
> > > track bar with a new bracket on those types of suspension and leave
the
> > > pitman alone?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stupendous Man wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I went to look at a neighbor's 96 ZJ, (2wd, 2.5 L, bad computer!),
and
> > it
> > > > has the same pitman arm, so mine is definately stock. I will be
ordering
> > one
> > > > and then building a steering box brace.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Stupendous Man,
> > > > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
performance enhancement, without making sure that all the base components
are in good condition, bolts are tight, bushings are tight, alignment is
within specs, tire pressure is reasonable and so forth. And then once you
have your performance enhancements installed, mindful of the increased wear
that is now likely, increase the frequency of maintenance inspections.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:448C436B.6888F8E1@sympatico.ca...
> He is only talking 10 deg. or so. I would think the track bar bracket
> might do the trick. Or nothing at all might be needed. He isn't
> describing bump steer but oversteer. Maybe a bad track bar end?
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > If you wanted to do it right, you would get a drop pitman arm (of the
proper
> > offset of course) and relocate the track bar both. Then you would
maintain
> > the proper, original steering linkage geometry.
> >
> > I live in Colorado, which must be the world capitol of lifted vehicles,
and
> > it does appear that very few Jeep owners, or owners of any lifted
vehicle
> > for that matter, have the desire to do the job right. Once they get the
> > body up there, and the huge tires installed, the posers call it good.
Tie
> > rods pointing in all directions, tiny half ton axles...
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:448AFB2B.835F7F2F@sympatico.ca...
> > > I am probably way off base here, but don't you just need to relocate
the
> > > track bar with a new bracket on those types of suspension and leave
the
> > > pitman alone?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Stupendous Man wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I went to look at a neighbor's 96 ZJ, (2wd, 2.5 L, bad computer!),
and
> > it
> > > > has the same pitman arm, so mine is definately stock. I will be
ordering
> > one
> > > > and then building a steering box brace.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Stupendous Man,
> > > > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
06-11-2006, 10:24 PM
#53
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
06-11-2006, 10:24 PM
#54
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Posts: n/a
Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
06-11-2006, 10:24 PM
#55
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
06-11-2006, 10:59 PM
#56
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
Jennifer's TJ has torn out a couple of them. Why They're made out
of sheet metal I'll never guess.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
of sheet metal I'll never guess.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
06-11-2006, 10:59 PM
#57
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
Jennifer's TJ has torn out a couple of them. Why They're made out
of sheet metal I'll never guess.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
of sheet metal I'll never guess.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
06-11-2006, 10:59 PM
#58
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Posts: n/a
Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
Jennifer's TJ has torn out a couple of them. Why They're made out
of sheet metal I'll never guess.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
of sheet metal I'll never guess.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken, allowing
> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find this
> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make one.
06-11-2006, 11:10 PM
#59
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Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
You know why.....
The part probably won't fail in 'normal' use and Jeepers actually brag about
breaking parts!
and/or
If you save a dollar on a million vehicles that is $1million extra profit
for an executive to use to get an additional bonus.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:448CD879.BCE7743F@***.net...
> Jennifer's TJ has torn out a couple of them. Why They're made out
> of sheet metal I'll never guess.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Stupendous Man wrote:
>>
>> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
>> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken,
>> allowing
>> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
>> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find
>> this
>> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make
>> one.
The part probably won't fail in 'normal' use and Jeepers actually brag about
breaking parts!
and/or
If you save a dollar on a million vehicles that is $1million extra profit
for an executive to use to get an additional bonus.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:448CD879.BCE7743F@***.net...
> Jennifer's TJ has torn out a couple of them. Why They're made out
> of sheet metal I'll never guess.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Stupendous Man wrote:
>>
>> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
>> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken,
>> allowing
>> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
>> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find
>> this
>> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make
>> one.
06-11-2006, 11:10 PM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 89 Chero auto trans mods, steering?
You know why.....
The part probably won't fail in 'normal' use and Jeepers actually brag about
breaking parts!
and/or
If you save a dollar on a million vehicles that is $1million extra profit
for an executive to use to get an additional bonus.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:448CD879.BCE7743F@***.net...
> Jennifer's TJ has torn out a couple of them. Why They're made out
> of sheet metal I'll never guess.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Stupendous Man wrote:
>>
>> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
>> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken,
>> allowing
>> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
>> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find
>> this
>> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make
>> one.
The part probably won't fail in 'normal' use and Jeepers actually brag about
breaking parts!
and/or
If you save a dollar on a million vehicles that is $1million extra profit
for an executive to use to get an additional bonus.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:448CD879.BCE7743F@***.net...
> Jennifer's TJ has torn out a couple of them. Why They're made out
> of sheet metal I'll never guess.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Stupendous Man wrote:
>>
>> Nothing like taking stuff apart to see what's wrong with it.
>> The stamped steel link on the axle end of the track bar is broken,
>> allowing
>> it to pivot a couple of inches when under a hard load, like cornering on
>> mountain roads but not when rocking the body parked. I cant even find
>> this
>> part of websites selling trackbars and frame end mounts, so i will make
>> one.