Simon Juncal

Earle Horton wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_party
>
> Or perhaps you meant "donor".

I spell it: S T A L K E R

:)

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal

Earle Horton wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_party
>
> Or perhaps you meant "donor".

I spell it: S T A L K E R

:)

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal

Earle Horton wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_party
>
> Or perhaps you meant "donor".

I spell it: S T A L K E R

:)

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Carl

AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.

Carl


"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
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> Carl wrote:
>> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will
>> hold
>
> The AW4 is indeed about a bullet proof auto transmission but I believe
> (pretty sure) it was never used in a Wrangler of any variety... could be
> wrong but I believe it's Cherokee and 4.0 ZJ/WJ only part.
>
> I know it has been swapped INTO YJ's and TJ's on occasion. No doubt they
> were after some of that XJ bulletproof-ness ;)
>
> It is long (27" inches I seem to recall, 5 more than most YJ/TJ manuals
> like the NV3500 at 22" IIRC) and so has drive shaft/Pinion angle issues
> among other things like TC mounting location issues, custom drive shaft
> length issues etc.
>
> Anyway I didn't just google all this up (unlike someone around here). I
> have 2 spare AW4's one of which is in the process of being swapped into my
> YJ for the french POS10 (that's: Piece O Shit10). I'm doin' it because
> there's just no chance in hell that Peugeot garbage is going to live
> behind the stroker the YJ's getting. And I know the AW4 will.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Carl

AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.

Carl


"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:F7ydnTWZ9JB5IxXYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
>> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will
>> hold
>
> The AW4 is indeed about a bullet proof auto transmission but I believe
> (pretty sure) it was never used in a Wrangler of any variety... could be
> wrong but I believe it's Cherokee and 4.0 ZJ/WJ only part.
>
> I know it has been swapped INTO YJ's and TJ's on occasion. No doubt they
> were after some of that XJ bulletproof-ness ;)
>
> It is long (27" inches I seem to recall, 5 more than most YJ/TJ manuals
> like the NV3500 at 22" IIRC) and so has drive shaft/Pinion angle issues
> among other things like TC mounting location issues, custom drive shaft
> length issues etc.
>
> Anyway I didn't just google all this up (unlike someone around here). I
> have 2 spare AW4's one of which is in the process of being swapped into my
> YJ for the french POS10 (that's: Piece O Shit10). I'm doin' it because
> there's just no chance in hell that Peugeot garbage is going to live
> behind the stroker the YJ's getting. And I know the AW4 will.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Carl

AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.

Carl


"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:F7ydnTWZ9JB5IxXYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
>> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will
>> hold
>
> The AW4 is indeed about a bullet proof auto transmission but I believe
> (pretty sure) it was never used in a Wrangler of any variety... could be
> wrong but I believe it's Cherokee and 4.0 ZJ/WJ only part.
>
> I know it has been swapped INTO YJ's and TJ's on occasion. No doubt they
> were after some of that XJ bulletproof-ness ;)
>
> It is long (27" inches I seem to recall, 5 more than most YJ/TJ manuals
> like the NV3500 at 22" IIRC) and so has drive shaft/Pinion angle issues
> among other things like TC mounting location issues, custom drive shaft
> length issues etc.
>
> Anyway I didn't just google all this up (unlike someone around here). I
> have 2 spare AW4's one of which is in the process of being swapped into my
> YJ for the french POS10 (that's: Piece O Shit10). I'm doin' it because
> there's just no chance in hell that Peugeot garbage is going to live
> behind the stroker the YJ's getting. And I know the AW4 will.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

The Merg

The reason for the auto to manual switch is little more than that my
dad and i want a stick. We just find the driving experience more fun,
more engaging. It's not that we're worried about the auto holding up,
we just like manuals.

I like the idea of combining the engines into a stroker. How much
trouble would this be? My father has a decent amount of interior
engine experience, but not since the advent of EFI. Is this a
painstaking process that we could easily screw up?

My '93 is a 4banger and remains so only because I can't afford to take
it off the road to put anything bigger in it. Also, it's my first Jeep
and the first vehicle I purchased with no parental help and I think I'd
go through severe withdrawal without it. Having driven friend's 4.0s,
I know quite well how much fun they are.
Still, I'll defend my 4banger to the death - it's been good to me,
almost 40k on a junkyard motor swapped in pretty much as I got it from
the yard.

Simon Juncal wrote:
> The Merg wrote:
> > I guess the question i should really ask is: has anyone done a similar
> > transfer, Auto to manual, and was it more trouble than it's worth? I
> > haven't bought the Jeep yet so I'm wondering if I should just say
> > forget it and keep looking for a five speed.
> >
> > I looked at the advanced adapters site, thanks for that link
> >
>
> Everything's been done, going manual from an Auto will be a lot easier
> than vice versa but there's still a serious pile of parts you'll need
> and thousands of dollars to spend unless (and possibly even with) all
> junk yard parts.
>
> I would say this though, unless you're seriously in love with the old
> carb'ed 258 you should look for a 91-95 YJ with the far superior
> injected 4.0 and a manual tranny already in it for $2500 to 4k
>
> It will save you a BUNCH of work, get you a better motor, AND save you
> the trouble of a swap... Unless you get your manual transmission/donner
> YJ AND this 87 YJ for less than 2 grand... You'll spend the extra money
> plus some running to the junk yard, paying for major parts and fiddly
> bits that you never think about until you need them.
>
> If you're REALLY into completely doing it yourself and the price is
> right (around a grand is very good if the 87 is running and has little
> rust) then get the 87 YJ AND a 4.0 equipped donner Jeep (could even be a
> Cherokee) and turn the two engines into a 4.6 liter stroker... Crank and
> Rods from the 258, block, head, fuel injection, (etc.) from the 4.0.
> 258's longer stroke with the 4.0's bigger pistons + 0.30 overbore = 4.6
> liters... which on a budget build (stock compression ratio, cam,
> injectors etc.) will get you over 240 HP and around 300 ft. pounds of
> torque at the wheels with a power band that will put a smile on your face.
>
> I probably sound like the news groups biggest 4.0 stroker advocate, but
> I seem to be the only one on here who has one, and knows how much fun
> they are.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

The Merg

The reason for the auto to manual switch is little more than that my
dad and i want a stick. We just find the driving experience more fun,
more engaging. It's not that we're worried about the auto holding up,
we just like manuals.

I like the idea of combining the engines into a stroker. How much
trouble would this be? My father has a decent amount of interior
engine experience, but not since the advent of EFI. Is this a
painstaking process that we could easily screw up?

My '93 is a 4banger and remains so only because I can't afford to take
it off the road to put anything bigger in it. Also, it's my first Jeep
and the first vehicle I purchased with no parental help and I think I'd
go through severe withdrawal without it. Having driven friend's 4.0s,
I know quite well how much fun they are.
Still, I'll defend my 4banger to the death - it's been good to me,
almost 40k on a junkyard motor swapped in pretty much as I got it from
the yard.

Simon Juncal wrote:
> The Merg wrote:
> > I guess the question i should really ask is: has anyone done a similar
> > transfer, Auto to manual, and was it more trouble than it's worth? I
> > haven't bought the Jeep yet so I'm wondering if I should just say
> > forget it and keep looking for a five speed.
> >
> > I looked at the advanced adapters site, thanks for that link
> >
>
> Everything's been done, going manual from an Auto will be a lot easier
> than vice versa but there's still a serious pile of parts you'll need
> and thousands of dollars to spend unless (and possibly even with) all
> junk yard parts.
>
> I would say this though, unless you're seriously in love with the old
> carb'ed 258 you should look for a 91-95 YJ with the far superior
> injected 4.0 and a manual tranny already in it for $2500 to 4k
>
> It will save you a BUNCH of work, get you a better motor, AND save you
> the trouble of a swap... Unless you get your manual transmission/donner
> YJ AND this 87 YJ for less than 2 grand... You'll spend the extra money
> plus some running to the junk yard, paying for major parts and fiddly
> bits that you never think about until you need them.
>
> If you're REALLY into completely doing it yourself and the price is
> right (around a grand is very good if the 87 is running and has little
> rust) then get the 87 YJ AND a 4.0 equipped donner Jeep (could even be a
> Cherokee) and turn the two engines into a 4.6 liter stroker... Crank and
> Rods from the 258, block, head, fuel injection, (etc.) from the 4.0.
> 258's longer stroke with the 4.0's bigger pistons + 0.30 overbore = 4.6
> liters... which on a budget build (stock compression ratio, cam,
> injectors etc.) will get you over 240 HP and around 300 ft. pounds of
> torque at the wheels with a power band that will put a smile on your face.
>
> I probably sound like the news groups biggest 4.0 stroker advocate, but
> I seem to be the only one on here who has one, and knows how much fun
> they are.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

The Merg

The reason for the auto to manual switch is little more than that my
dad and i want a stick. We just find the driving experience more fun,
more engaging. It's not that we're worried about the auto holding up,
we just like manuals.

I like the idea of combining the engines into a stroker. How much
trouble would this be? My father has a decent amount of interior
engine experience, but not since the advent of EFI. Is this a
painstaking process that we could easily screw up?

My '93 is a 4banger and remains so only because I can't afford to take
it off the road to put anything bigger in it. Also, it's my first Jeep
and the first vehicle I purchased with no parental help and I think I'd
go through severe withdrawal without it. Having driven friend's 4.0s,
I know quite well how much fun they are.
Still, I'll defend my 4banger to the death - it's been good to me,
almost 40k on a junkyard motor swapped in pretty much as I got it from
the yard.

Simon Juncal wrote:
> The Merg wrote:
> > I guess the question i should really ask is: has anyone done a similar
> > transfer, Auto to manual, and was it more trouble than it's worth? I
> > haven't bought the Jeep yet so I'm wondering if I should just say
> > forget it and keep looking for a five speed.
> >
> > I looked at the advanced adapters site, thanks for that link
> >
>
> Everything's been done, going manual from an Auto will be a lot easier
> than vice versa but there's still a serious pile of parts you'll need
> and thousands of dollars to spend unless (and possibly even with) all
> junk yard parts.
>
> I would say this though, unless you're seriously in love with the old
> carb'ed 258 you should look for a 91-95 YJ with the far superior
> injected 4.0 and a manual tranny already in it for $2500 to 4k
>
> It will save you a BUNCH of work, get you a better motor, AND save you
> the trouble of a swap... Unless you get your manual transmission/donner
> YJ AND this 87 YJ for less than 2 grand... You'll spend the extra money
> plus some running to the junk yard, paying for major parts and fiddly
> bits that you never think about until you need them.
>
> If you're REALLY into completely doing it yourself and the price is
> right (around a grand is very good if the 87 is running and has little
> rust) then get the 87 YJ AND a 4.0 equipped donner Jeep (could even be a
> Cherokee) and turn the two engines into a 4.6 liter stroker... Crank and
> Rods from the 258, block, head, fuel injection, (etc.) from the 4.0.
> 258's longer stroke with the 4.0's bigger pistons + 0.30 overbore = 4.6
> liters... which on a budget build (stock compression ratio, cam,
> injectors etc.) will get you over 240 HP and around 300 ft. pounds of
> torque at the wheels with a power band that will put a smile on your face.
>
> I probably sound like the news groups biggest 4.0 stroker advocate, but
> I seem to be the only one on here who has one, and knows how much fun
> they are.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal

The Merg wrote:
> The reason for the auto to manual switch is little more than that my
> dad and i want a stick. We just find the driving experience more fun,
> more engaging. It's not that we're worried about the auto holding up,
> we just like manuals.
>
> I like the idea of combining the engines into a stroker. How much
> trouble would this be? My father has a decent amount of interior
> engine experience, but not since the advent of EFI. Is this a
> painstaking process that we could easily screw up?

No, it's basically identical to a total rebuild, with a little extra
minor machining. There are excellent write ups, including build up
recipes for various budgets from lowest budget 4.5L (no .30 overbore and
using all stock and junk yard parts), to high compression custom piston,
custom ground stroker crank 5.0L. putting out 300HP normally aspirated.

Nothing special is needed in terms of fuel injection knowledge, there
are a few things that can be done to resolve pinging if it runs too lean
(and it probably will if you use stock size injectors) but these are
none to complicated and there are write ups of them as well. (adjustable
fuel pressure regulator made by He$co, larger Mustang injectors,
adjustable throttle position sensor using 3 dollars worth of radio shack
bits; are three of the potential solutions. Besides having the factory
ECU chipped and dyno programmed which is the best highest performance
solution).

These are good starting points:
http://www.jeep4.0performance.4mg.com/stroker.html
http://www.angelfire.com/my/fan/stroker.html

The Yahoo strokers group is a good place to ask specific questions and
get help, the latest topics here are a few guys working on prototyping a
roller valve train(!)

and the forums at naxja.com are filled with Cherokee owners quite a few
who have stroked 4.0's (very popular mod with XJ owners)

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein