87 YJ
12-20-2006, 09:11 AM
#51
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Re: 87 YJ
The Merg wrote:
> The reason for the auto to manual switch is little more than that my
> dad and i want a stick. We just find the driving experience more fun,
> more engaging. It's not that we're worried about the auto holding up,
> we just like manuals.
>
> I like the idea of combining the engines into a stroker. How much
> trouble would this be? My father has a decent amount of interior
> engine experience, but not since the advent of EFI. Is this a
> painstaking process that we could easily screw up?
No, it's basically identical to a total rebuild, with a little extra
minor machining. There are excellent write ups, including build up
recipes for various budgets from lowest budget 4.5L (no .30 overbore and
using all stock and junk yard parts), to high compression custom piston,
custom ground stroker crank 5.0L. putting out 300HP normally aspirated.
Nothing special is needed in terms of fuel injection knowledge, there
are a few things that can be done to resolve pinging if it runs too lean
(and it probably will if you use stock size injectors) but these are
none to complicated and there are write ups of them as well. (adjustable
fuel pressure regulator made by He$co, larger Mustang injectors,
adjustable throttle position sensor using 3 dollars worth of radio shack
bits; are three of the potential solutions. Besides having the factory
ECU chipped and dyno programmed which is the best highest performance
solution).
These are good starting points:
http://www.jeep4.0performance.4mg.com/stroker.html
http://www.angelfire.com/my/fan/stroker.html
The Yahoo strokers group is a good place to ask specific questions and
get help, the latest topics here are a few guys working on prototyping a
roller valve train(!)
and the forums at naxja.com are filled with Cherokee owners quite a few
who have stroked 4.0's (very popular mod with XJ owners)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> The reason for the auto to manual switch is little more than that my
> dad and i want a stick. We just find the driving experience more fun,
> more engaging. It's not that we're worried about the auto holding up,
> we just like manuals.
>
> I like the idea of combining the engines into a stroker. How much
> trouble would this be? My father has a decent amount of interior
> engine experience, but not since the advent of EFI. Is this a
> painstaking process that we could easily screw up?
No, it's basically identical to a total rebuild, with a little extra
minor machining. There are excellent write ups, including build up
recipes for various budgets from lowest budget 4.5L (no .30 overbore and
using all stock and junk yard parts), to high compression custom piston,
custom ground stroker crank 5.0L. putting out 300HP normally aspirated.
Nothing special is needed in terms of fuel injection knowledge, there
are a few things that can be done to resolve pinging if it runs too lean
(and it probably will if you use stock size injectors) but these are
none to complicated and there are write ups of them as well. (adjustable
fuel pressure regulator made by He$co, larger Mustang injectors,
adjustable throttle position sensor using 3 dollars worth of radio shack
bits; are three of the potential solutions. Besides having the factory
ECU chipped and dyno programmed which is the best highest performance
solution).
These are good starting points:
http://www.jeep4.0performance.4mg.com/stroker.html
http://www.angelfire.com/my/fan/stroker.html
The Yahoo strokers group is a good place to ask specific questions and
get help, the latest topics here are a few guys working on prototyping a
roller valve train(!)
and the forums at naxja.com are filled with Cherokee owners quite a few
who have stroked 4.0's (very popular mod with XJ owners)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-20-2006, 09:11 AM
#52
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Re: 87 YJ
The Merg wrote:
> The reason for the auto to manual switch is little more than that my
> dad and i want a stick. We just find the driving experience more fun,
> more engaging. It's not that we're worried about the auto holding up,
> we just like manuals.
>
> I like the idea of combining the engines into a stroker. How much
> trouble would this be? My father has a decent amount of interior
> engine experience, but not since the advent of EFI. Is this a
> painstaking process that we could easily screw up?
No, it's basically identical to a total rebuild, with a little extra
minor machining. There are excellent write ups, including build up
recipes for various budgets from lowest budget 4.5L (no .30 overbore and
using all stock and junk yard parts), to high compression custom piston,
custom ground stroker crank 5.0L. putting out 300HP normally aspirated.
Nothing special is needed in terms of fuel injection knowledge, there
are a few things that can be done to resolve pinging if it runs too lean
(and it probably will if you use stock size injectors) but these are
none to complicated and there are write ups of them as well. (adjustable
fuel pressure regulator made by He$co, larger Mustang injectors,
adjustable throttle position sensor using 3 dollars worth of radio shack
bits; are three of the potential solutions. Besides having the factory
ECU chipped and dyno programmed which is the best highest performance
solution).
These are good starting points:
http://www.jeep4.0performance.4mg.com/stroker.html
http://www.angelfire.com/my/fan/stroker.html
The Yahoo strokers group is a good place to ask specific questions and
get help, the latest topics here are a few guys working on prototyping a
roller valve train(!)
and the forums at naxja.com are filled with Cherokee owners quite a few
who have stroked 4.0's (very popular mod with XJ owners)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> The reason for the auto to manual switch is little more than that my
> dad and i want a stick. We just find the driving experience more fun,
> more engaging. It's not that we're worried about the auto holding up,
> we just like manuals.
>
> I like the idea of combining the engines into a stroker. How much
> trouble would this be? My father has a decent amount of interior
> engine experience, but not since the advent of EFI. Is this a
> painstaking process that we could easily screw up?
No, it's basically identical to a total rebuild, with a little extra
minor machining. There are excellent write ups, including build up
recipes for various budgets from lowest budget 4.5L (no .30 overbore and
using all stock and junk yard parts), to high compression custom piston,
custom ground stroker crank 5.0L. putting out 300HP normally aspirated.
Nothing special is needed in terms of fuel injection knowledge, there
are a few things that can be done to resolve pinging if it runs too lean
(and it probably will if you use stock size injectors) but these are
none to complicated and there are write ups of them as well. (adjustable
fuel pressure regulator made by He$co, larger Mustang injectors,
adjustable throttle position sensor using 3 dollars worth of radio shack
bits; are three of the potential solutions. Besides having the factory
ECU chipped and dyno programmed which is the best highest performance
solution).
These are good starting points:
http://www.jeep4.0performance.4mg.com/stroker.html
http://www.angelfire.com/my/fan/stroker.html
The Yahoo strokers group is a good place to ask specific questions and
get help, the latest topics here are a few guys working on prototyping a
roller valve train(!)
and the forums at naxja.com are filled with Cherokee owners quite a few
who have stroked 4.0's (very popular mod with XJ owners)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-20-2006, 09:45 AM
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Re: 87 YJ
Carl wrote:
> AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-20-2006, 09:45 AM
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Re: 87 YJ
Carl wrote:
> AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-20-2006, 09:45 AM
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Re: 87 YJ
Carl wrote:
> AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-20-2006, 12:33 PM
#56
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Re: 87 YJ
I've been doing some extensive classified searches and it seems like
I'd be kind of dumb to pass this up - I can't find anything else within
200 miles that's below 3k.
Are there better Jeep-specific classifieds where I'd have a decent
chance of finding part-cars? I've been over to 4x4wire, not much
there.
I think a junkyard trip is in order for tomorrow morning.
I'd be kind of dumb to pass this up - I can't find anything else within
200 miles that's below 3k.
Are there better Jeep-specific classifieds where I'd have a decent
chance of finding part-cars? I've been over to 4x4wire, not much
there.
I think a junkyard trip is in order for tomorrow morning.
12-20-2006, 12:33 PM
#57
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Re: 87 YJ
I've been doing some extensive classified searches and it seems like
I'd be kind of dumb to pass this up - I can't find anything else within
200 miles that's below 3k.
Are there better Jeep-specific classifieds where I'd have a decent
chance of finding part-cars? I've been over to 4x4wire, not much
there.
I think a junkyard trip is in order for tomorrow morning.
I'd be kind of dumb to pass this up - I can't find anything else within
200 miles that's below 3k.
Are there better Jeep-specific classifieds where I'd have a decent
chance of finding part-cars? I've been over to 4x4wire, not much
there.
I think a junkyard trip is in order for tomorrow morning.
12-20-2006, 12:33 PM
#58
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Re: 87 YJ
I've been doing some extensive classified searches and it seems like
I'd be kind of dumb to pass this up - I can't find anything else within
200 miles that's below 3k.
Are there better Jeep-specific classifieds where I'd have a decent
chance of finding part-cars? I've been over to 4x4wire, not much
there.
I think a junkyard trip is in order for tomorrow morning.
I'd be kind of dumb to pass this up - I can't find anything else within
200 miles that's below 3k.
Are there better Jeep-specific classifieds where I'd have a decent
chance of finding part-cars? I've been over to 4x4wire, not much
there.
I think a junkyard trip is in order for tomorrow morning.
12-20-2006, 12:35 PM
#59
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Re: 87 YJ
I am pretty sure that the owner's manual for my 95 YJ says "3 speed
automatic". Yep, I just looked. "PRND2L" is what it's got, in automatic
configuration. I don't think that there is any "Donner" four speed that
will fit. Still, you could do a lot worse than a hydraulic Chrysler auto.
Earle
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:rZudnfZOWrI50RTYnZ2dnUVZ_qK3nZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
> > AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> > AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
>
> Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
> the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
>
> Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
> find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
> absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
> drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
>
> Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
> I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
> shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
automatic". Yep, I just looked. "PRND2L" is what it's got, in automatic
configuration. I don't think that there is any "Donner" four speed that
will fit. Still, you could do a lot worse than a hydraulic Chrysler auto.
Earle
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:rZudnfZOWrI50RTYnZ2dnUVZ_qK3nZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
> > AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> > AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
>
> Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
> the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
>
> Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
> find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
> absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
> drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
>
> Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
> I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
> shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-20-2006, 12:35 PM
#60
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Re: 87 YJ
I am pretty sure that the owner's manual for my 95 YJ says "3 speed
automatic". Yep, I just looked. "PRND2L" is what it's got, in automatic
configuration. I don't think that there is any "Donner" four speed that
will fit. Still, you could do a lot worse than a hydraulic Chrysler auto.
Earle
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:rZudnfZOWrI50RTYnZ2dnUVZ_qK3nZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
> > AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> > AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
>
> Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
> the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
>
> Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
> find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
> absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
> drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
>
> Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
> I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
> shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
automatic". Yep, I just looked. "PRND2L" is what it's got, in automatic
configuration. I don't think that there is any "Donner" four speed that
will fit. Still, you could do a lot worse than a hydraulic Chrysler auto.
Earle
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:rZudnfZOWrI50RTYnZ2dnUVZ_qK3nZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
> > AFAIK, the aw4 was an availible option on all wranglers from 87 to 05.
> > AFAIK, it was the only automatic availible in any YJ or TJ.
>
> Corporate Torque Flight 999 3 speed in the YJ's AND TJ's until they got
> the 4 speed 42RLE in the later TJ's.
>
> Can't find any mention of the AW4 ever living in a YJ or TJ, if you can
> find something please post a link or any info you find. I would
> absolutely love to pull a transmission cross member, transfer case and
> drive shafts out of a salvage AW4 equipped YJ or TJ.
>
> Maybe you're thinking of the AX5 manual they put behind the four banger?
> I'd love to be proven wrong here it would save me from custom drive
> shafts and time fabbing my own cross member.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein