84 XJ steering box
10-18-2004, 05:14 PM
#11
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
> More reasonable to have a hose leak....
Did the hoses a month ago and that only fixed the pump-side part of the
problem. Which was a tiny leak in comparison.
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what.
Yeah, it's just crammed right up there near the frame and the radiator and
makes for difficult cleaning and inspection. That and the canister is in
the way.
> You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
Well, is the wear such that replacing the seals on a unit with this many
miles would be sort of pointless? How does one easily measure if a box is
worn past simple seal replacement? And how hard is it to rebuild one? Are
the seals simple pull and replace or is a press needed?
-Bill Kearney
Did the hoses a month ago and that only fixed the pump-side part of the
problem. Which was a tiny leak in comparison.
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what.
Yeah, it's just crammed right up there near the frame and the radiator and
makes for difficult cleaning and inspection. That and the canister is in
the way.
> You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
Well, is the wear such that replacing the seals on a unit with this many
miles would be sort of pointless? How does one easily measure if a box is
worn past simple seal replacement? And how hard is it to rebuild one? Are
the seals simple pull and replace or is a press needed?
-Bill Kearney
10-18-2004, 05:14 PM
#12
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
> More reasonable to have a hose leak....
Did the hoses a month ago and that only fixed the pump-side part of the
problem. Which was a tiny leak in comparison.
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what.
Yeah, it's just crammed right up there near the frame and the radiator and
makes for difficult cleaning and inspection. That and the canister is in
the way.
> You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
Well, is the wear such that replacing the seals on a unit with this many
miles would be sort of pointless? How does one easily measure if a box is
worn past simple seal replacement? And how hard is it to rebuild one? Are
the seals simple pull and replace or is a press needed?
-Bill Kearney
Did the hoses a month ago and that only fixed the pump-side part of the
problem. Which was a tiny leak in comparison.
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what.
Yeah, it's just crammed right up there near the frame and the radiator and
makes for difficult cleaning and inspection. That and the canister is in
the way.
> You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
Well, is the wear such that replacing the seals on a unit with this many
miles would be sort of pointless? How does one easily measure if a box is
worn past simple seal replacement? And how hard is it to rebuild one? Are
the seals simple pull and replace or is a press needed?
-Bill Kearney
10-18-2004, 05:14 PM
#13
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
> More reasonable to have a hose leak....
Did the hoses a month ago and that only fixed the pump-side part of the
problem. Which was a tiny leak in comparison.
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what.
Yeah, it's just crammed right up there near the frame and the radiator and
makes for difficult cleaning and inspection. That and the canister is in
the way.
> You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
Well, is the wear such that replacing the seals on a unit with this many
miles would be sort of pointless? How does one easily measure if a box is
worn past simple seal replacement? And how hard is it to rebuild one? Are
the seals simple pull and replace or is a press needed?
-Bill Kearney
Did the hoses a month ago and that only fixed the pump-side part of the
problem. Which was a tiny leak in comparison.
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what.
Yeah, it's just crammed right up there near the frame and the radiator and
makes for difficult cleaning and inspection. That and the canister is in
the way.
> You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
Well, is the wear such that replacing the seals on a unit with this many
miles would be sort of pointless? How does one easily measure if a box is
worn past simple seal replacement? And how hard is it to rebuild one? Are
the seals simple pull and replace or is a press needed?
-Bill Kearney
10-19-2004, 10:04 AM
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
Hi Mike,
Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
leaking!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41740A4F.61CB6BB3@sympatico.ca...
> More reasonable to have a hose leak....
>
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what. You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> wkearney99 wrote:
>>
>> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:2AQcd.4352$SW3.1443@fed1read01...
>> > Is the box bad or is it just coming loose?
>>
>> Leaking like a sieve. Can't be sure where from however as it's sort of
>> hard
>> to get a good look at it. I'm figuring that at about 260k on the odo
>> it's
>> not unreasonable to need replacing.
Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
leaking!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41740A4F.61CB6BB3@sympatico.ca...
> More reasonable to have a hose leak....
>
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what. You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> wkearney99 wrote:
>>
>> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:2AQcd.4352$SW3.1443@fed1read01...
>> > Is the box bad or is it just coming loose?
>>
>> Leaking like a sieve. Can't be sure where from however as it's sort of
>> hard
>> to get a good look at it. I'm figuring that at about 260k on the odo
>> it's
>> not unreasonable to need replacing.
10-19-2004, 10:04 AM
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
Hi Mike,
Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
leaking!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41740A4F.61CB6BB3@sympatico.ca...
> More reasonable to have a hose leak....
>
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what. You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> wkearney99 wrote:
>>
>> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:2AQcd.4352$SW3.1443@fed1read01...
>> > Is the box bad or is it just coming loose?
>>
>> Leaking like a sieve. Can't be sure where from however as it's sort of
>> hard
>> to get a good look at it. I'm figuring that at about 260k on the odo
>> it's
>> not unreasonable to need replacing.
Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
leaking!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41740A4F.61CB6BB3@sympatico.ca...
> More reasonable to have a hose leak....
>
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what. You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> wkearney99 wrote:
>>
>> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:2AQcd.4352$SW3.1443@fed1read01...
>> > Is the box bad or is it just coming loose?
>>
>> Leaking like a sieve. Can't be sure where from however as it's sort of
>> hard
>> to get a good look at it. I'm figuring that at about 260k on the odo
>> it's
>> not unreasonable to need replacing.
10-19-2004, 10:04 AM
#16
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
Hi Mike,
Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
leaking!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41740A4F.61CB6BB3@sympatico.ca...
> More reasonable to have a hose leak....
>
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what. You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> wkearney99 wrote:
>>
>> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:2AQcd.4352$SW3.1443@fed1read01...
>> > Is the box bad or is it just coming loose?
>>
>> Leaking like a sieve. Can't be sure where from however as it's sort of
>> hard
>> to get a good look at it. I'm figuring that at about 260k on the odo
>> it's
>> not unreasonable to need replacing.
Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
leaking!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41740A4F.61CB6BB3@sympatico.ca...
> More reasonable to have a hose leak....
>
> It should be cleaned off first to see what is what. You can get a kit
> for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> individual seals for them.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> wkearney99 wrote:
>>
>> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:2AQcd.4352$SW3.1443@fed1read01...
>> > Is the box bad or is it just coming loose?
>>
>> Leaking like a sieve. Can't be sure where from however as it's sort of
>> hard
>> to get a good look at it. I'm figuring that at about 260k on the odo
>> it's
>> not unreasonable to need replacing.
10-19-2004, 10:14 AM
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
My 01 Tj was leaking in the same spot.
There are 2 seals for the input shaft.
Had to buy the whole kit.
I would've tried to fix it myself
but the service manual shows that I need
a special tool to take it apart.
It's really too bad though.
A stupid seal shouldn't start to leak
being so relatively new. :-(
Chryko crap I suppose.
JimG wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
> it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
>
> Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
> the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
> simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
> leaking!
>
There are 2 seals for the input shaft.
Had to buy the whole kit.
I would've tried to fix it myself
but the service manual shows that I need
a special tool to take it apart.
It's really too bad though.
A stupid seal shouldn't start to leak
being so relatively new. :-(
Chryko crap I suppose.
JimG wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
> it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
>
> Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
> the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
> simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
> leaking!
>
10-19-2004, 10:14 AM
#18
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
My 01 Tj was leaking in the same spot.
There are 2 seals for the input shaft.
Had to buy the whole kit.
I would've tried to fix it myself
but the service manual shows that I need
a special tool to take it apart.
It's really too bad though.
A stupid seal shouldn't start to leak
being so relatively new. :-(
Chryko crap I suppose.
JimG wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
> it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
>
> Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
> the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
> simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
> leaking!
>
There are 2 seals for the input shaft.
Had to buy the whole kit.
I would've tried to fix it myself
but the service manual shows that I need
a special tool to take it apart.
It's really too bad though.
A stupid seal shouldn't start to leak
being so relatively new. :-(
Chryko crap I suppose.
JimG wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
> it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
>
> Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
> the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
> simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
> leaking!
>
10-19-2004, 10:14 AM
#19
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
My 01 Tj was leaking in the same spot.
There are 2 seals for the input shaft.
Had to buy the whole kit.
I would've tried to fix it myself
but the service manual shows that I need
a special tool to take it apart.
It's really too bad though.
A stupid seal shouldn't start to leak
being so relatively new. :-(
Chryko crap I suppose.
JimG wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
> it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
>
> Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
> the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
> simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
> leaking!
>
There are 2 seals for the input shaft.
Had to buy the whole kit.
I would've tried to fix it myself
but the service manual shows that I need
a special tool to take it apart.
It's really too bad though.
A stupid seal shouldn't start to leak
being so relatively new. :-(
Chryko crap I suppose.
JimG wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
> it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
>
> Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
> the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
> simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
> leaking!
>
10-19-2004, 10:27 AM
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Re: 84 XJ steering box
I do know what is happening with the TJ one I think.
The TJ's saganaw box has a modified 2 piece adjustment plug that is
really prone to leaks I was told by a steering and suspension shop. (It
seems they are right seeing as my CJ one is still original and barely
seeps)
I recently helped a gent do his seal and the shop gave us an 'old style'
one piece plug from a YJ style saganaw box. This fit in and so far
hasn't leaked.
I didn't find rebuilding the top of the box intimidating nor the number
of parts inside the kit. My friend had the whole kit, but we only
needed a new adjustment plug seal.
I was kinds worried about the idea of heating and stretching the teflon
rings over the internal parts though. Thankfully, we didn't need to do
that part.
That is the second Jeep one I have done. I am just getting practice for
when I have to do my CJ one. LOL!
Mike
JimG wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
> it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
>
> Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
> the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
> simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
> leaking!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41740A4F.61CB6BB3@sympatico.ca...
> > More reasonable to have a hose leak....
> >
> > It should be cleaned off first to see what is what. You can get a kit
> > for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> > individual seals for them.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > wkearney99 wrote:
> >>
> >> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2AQcd.4352$SW3.1443@fed1read01...
> >> > Is the box bad or is it just coming loose?
> >>
> >> Leaking like a sieve. Can't be sure where from however as it's sort of
> >> hard
> >> to get a good look at it. I'm figuring that at about 260k on the odo
> >> it's
> >> not unreasonable to need replacing.
The TJ's saganaw box has a modified 2 piece adjustment plug that is
really prone to leaks I was told by a steering and suspension shop. (It
seems they are right seeing as my CJ one is still original and barely
seeps)
I recently helped a gent do his seal and the shop gave us an 'old style'
one piece plug from a YJ style saganaw box. This fit in and so far
hasn't leaked.
I didn't find rebuilding the top of the box intimidating nor the number
of parts inside the kit. My friend had the whole kit, but we only
needed a new adjustment plug seal.
I was kinds worried about the idea of heating and stretching the teflon
rings over the internal parts though. Thankfully, we didn't need to do
that part.
That is the second Jeep one I have done. I am just getting practice for
when I have to do my CJ one. LOL!
Mike
JimG wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Easy? I bought a kit for my CJ box and there must have been 200 parts in
> it! I said "NO WAY", took the kit back and bought a re-man unit.
>
> Now I have a leak in my TJ box (I can't win :-( ). It leaks right around
> the steering shaft input. What's the chances of a seal or two there being
> simple? This Jeep has only 28K on it... don't understand why it should be
> leaking!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41740A4F.61CB6BB3@sympatico.ca...
> > More reasonable to have a hose leak....
> >
> > It should be cleaned off first to see what is what. You can get a kit
> > for them and the kit is easy to put in. You also can just get the
> > individual seals for them.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > wkearney99 wrote:
> >>
> >> "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2AQcd.4352$SW3.1443@fed1read01...
> >> > Is the box bad or is it just coming loose?
> >>
> >> Leaking like a sieve. Can't be sure where from however as it's sort of
> >> hard
> >> to get a good look at it. I'm figuring that at about 260k on the odo
> >> it's
> >> not unreasonable to need replacing.