79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
07-24-2006, 11:14 AM
#1
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79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
Neil
tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
Neil
07-24-2006, 12:13 PM
#2
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Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration? What
do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
budgets.
Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
and don't have it.
Earle
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
budgets.
Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
and don't have it.
Earle
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
07-24-2006, 12:13 PM
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Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration? What
do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
budgets.
Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
and don't have it.
Earle
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
budgets.
Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
and don't have it.
Earle
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
07-24-2006, 12:13 PM
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Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration? What
do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
budgets.
Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
and don't have it.
Earle
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
budgets.
Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
and don't have it.
Earle
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
07-24-2006, 12:13 PM
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Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration? What
do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
budgets.
Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
and don't have it.
Earle
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
budgets.
Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
and don't have it.
Earle
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
07-24-2006, 05:19 PM
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Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
If you're doing a frame off, you have a few options. The one I would
recommend if you don't mind spending some money is to have the frame
e-coated. There are shops all over the country doing this now. It is a form
of electroplating, but is very resistant to corrosion. The finished color is
a dull pine green color. The problem with this, or any other coating, is
that after dragging the frame over rocks, stumps, etc. most coatings will be
scraped off. The nice thing about e-coat is that it will cover every square
inch of the frame inside and out. A much more cost effective method will be,
like you said, POR-15 on the outside, and some form of undercoating inside
the rails. I did this on a truck frame that sees Michigan winters, and after
7 years, it is still in perfect shape. I just used one of the cheap
undercoating sprayers from Harbor freight that has the long wand. Very easy
to get good coverage inside the boxed areas.
Chris
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
recommend if you don't mind spending some money is to have the frame
e-coated. There are shops all over the country doing this now. It is a form
of electroplating, but is very resistant to corrosion. The finished color is
a dull pine green color. The problem with this, or any other coating, is
that after dragging the frame over rocks, stumps, etc. most coatings will be
scraped off. The nice thing about e-coat is that it will cover every square
inch of the frame inside and out. A much more cost effective method will be,
like you said, POR-15 on the outside, and some form of undercoating inside
the rails. I did this on a truck frame that sees Michigan winters, and after
7 years, it is still in perfect shape. I just used one of the cheap
undercoating sprayers from Harbor freight that has the long wand. Very easy
to get good coverage inside the boxed areas.
Chris
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
07-24-2006, 05:19 PM
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Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
If you're doing a frame off, you have a few options. The one I would
recommend if you don't mind spending some money is to have the frame
e-coated. There are shops all over the country doing this now. It is a form
of electroplating, but is very resistant to corrosion. The finished color is
a dull pine green color. The problem with this, or any other coating, is
that after dragging the frame over rocks, stumps, etc. most coatings will be
scraped off. The nice thing about e-coat is that it will cover every square
inch of the frame inside and out. A much more cost effective method will be,
like you said, POR-15 on the outside, and some form of undercoating inside
the rails. I did this on a truck frame that sees Michigan winters, and after
7 years, it is still in perfect shape. I just used one of the cheap
undercoating sprayers from Harbor freight that has the long wand. Very easy
to get good coverage inside the boxed areas.
Chris
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
recommend if you don't mind spending some money is to have the frame
e-coated. There are shops all over the country doing this now. It is a form
of electroplating, but is very resistant to corrosion. The finished color is
a dull pine green color. The problem with this, or any other coating, is
that after dragging the frame over rocks, stumps, etc. most coatings will be
scraped off. The nice thing about e-coat is that it will cover every square
inch of the frame inside and out. A much more cost effective method will be,
like you said, POR-15 on the outside, and some form of undercoating inside
the rails. I did this on a truck frame that sees Michigan winters, and after
7 years, it is still in perfect shape. I just used one of the cheap
undercoating sprayers from Harbor freight that has the long wand. Very easy
to get good coverage inside the boxed areas.
Chris
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
07-24-2006, 05:19 PM
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Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
If you're doing a frame off, you have a few options. The one I would
recommend if you don't mind spending some money is to have the frame
e-coated. There are shops all over the country doing this now. It is a form
of electroplating, but is very resistant to corrosion. The finished color is
a dull pine green color. The problem with this, or any other coating, is
that after dragging the frame over rocks, stumps, etc. most coatings will be
scraped off. The nice thing about e-coat is that it will cover every square
inch of the frame inside and out. A much more cost effective method will be,
like you said, POR-15 on the outside, and some form of undercoating inside
the rails. I did this on a truck frame that sees Michigan winters, and after
7 years, it is still in perfect shape. I just used one of the cheap
undercoating sprayers from Harbor freight that has the long wand. Very easy
to get good coverage inside the boxed areas.
Chris
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
recommend if you don't mind spending some money is to have the frame
e-coated. There are shops all over the country doing this now. It is a form
of electroplating, but is very resistant to corrosion. The finished color is
a dull pine green color. The problem with this, or any other coating, is
that after dragging the frame over rocks, stumps, etc. most coatings will be
scraped off. The nice thing about e-coat is that it will cover every square
inch of the frame inside and out. A much more cost effective method will be,
like you said, POR-15 on the outside, and some form of undercoating inside
the rails. I did this on a truck frame that sees Michigan winters, and after
7 years, it is still in perfect shape. I just used one of the cheap
undercoating sprayers from Harbor freight that has the long wand. Very easy
to get good coverage inside the boxed areas.
Chris
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
07-24-2006, 05:19 PM
#9
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Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
If you're doing a frame off, you have a few options. The one I would
recommend if you don't mind spending some money is to have the frame
e-coated. There are shops all over the country doing this now. It is a form
of electroplating, but is very resistant to corrosion. The finished color is
a dull pine green color. The problem with this, or any other coating, is
that after dragging the frame over rocks, stumps, etc. most coatings will be
scraped off. The nice thing about e-coat is that it will cover every square
inch of the frame inside and out. A much more cost effective method will be,
like you said, POR-15 on the outside, and some form of undercoating inside
the rails. I did this on a truck frame that sees Michigan winters, and after
7 years, it is still in perfect shape. I just used one of the cheap
undercoating sprayers from Harbor freight that has the long wand. Very easy
to get good coverage inside the boxed areas.
Chris
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
recommend if you don't mind spending some money is to have the frame
e-coated. There are shops all over the country doing this now. It is a form
of electroplating, but is very resistant to corrosion. The finished color is
a dull pine green color. The problem with this, or any other coating, is
that after dragging the frame over rocks, stumps, etc. most coatings will be
scraped off. The nice thing about e-coat is that it will cover every square
inch of the frame inside and out. A much more cost effective method will be,
like you said, POR-15 on the outside, and some form of undercoating inside
the rails. I did this on a truck frame that sees Michigan winters, and after
7 years, it is still in perfect shape. I just used one of the cheap
undercoating sprayers from Harbor freight that has the long wand. Very easy
to get good coverage inside the boxed areas.
Chris
"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>
> Neil
>
07-25-2006, 07:12 PM
#10
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Re: 79 CJ5 Frame Preservation
Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
back there inside the box.
Earle Horton wrote:
> How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration? What
> do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
> you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> budgets.
>
> Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
> oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
> They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
> could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
>
> I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
> the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
> and don't have it.
>
> Earle
>
> "Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
>> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>
>
>
--
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(tm).” David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
temperature in AFU Labs.
the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
back there inside the box.
Earle Horton wrote:
> How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration? What
> do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?) As
> you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> budgets.
>
> Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in "hot
> oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your car.
> They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$, you
> could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
>
> I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope for
> the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain hole,
> and don't have it.
>
> Earle
>
> "Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
>> It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>
>
>
--
This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
(tm).” David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
temperature in AFU Labs.
