Lee Ayrton

It would be a bit like trying to fish a length of Romex up through a
wall without a fishtape, but yeah, it would work better than nothing.
I'd thought about those wands I hear that the rust proofing guys use to
spray inside body panel spaces. In the end I decided that my CJ would
probably never again see a salted, slushy road or not be parked in a
garage and did what I could and ignored the rest.


Earle Horton wrote:
> Can you run a piece of flexible hose through there, say an air hose? Run
> the hose all the way through, then slowly withdraw it, blowing air the whole
> time. OK, now this is the good part. Spray paint in there with an
> undercoating nozzle, while a helper applies a shop vacuum nozzle to the
> other end!
>
> Earle
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
> news:ea68e4$8hb$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
>>Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
>>the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
>>preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
>>better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
>>allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
>>trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
>>accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
>>back there inside the box.
>>
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>>How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration?
>
> What
>
>>>do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
>>>Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?)
>
> As
>
>>>you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
>>>budgets.
>>>
>>>Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in
>
> "hot
>
>>>oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
>>>heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your
>
> car.
>
>>>They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$,
>
> you
>
>>>could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
>>>remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
>>>longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
>>>
>>>I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope
>
> for
>
>>>the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain
>
> hole,
>
>>>and don't have it.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
>>>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
>>>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
>>>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
>>>>It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
>>>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
>>>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
>>>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
>>>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
>>>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
>>>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
>>>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>
>> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
>>(tm).” David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
>>temperature in AFU Labs.
>
>
>


--

This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
(tm).” David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
temperature in AFU Labs.

thetuna

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> It would be a bit like trying to fish a length of Romex up through a
> wall without a fishtape, but yeah, it would work better than nothing.
> I'd thought about those wands I hear that the rust proofing guys use to
> spray inside body panel spaces. In the end I decided that my CJ would
> probably never again see a salted, slushy road or not be parked in a
> garage and did what I could and ignored the rest.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Can you run a piece of flexible hose through there, say an air hose? Run
> > the hose all the way through, then slowly withdraw it, blowing air the whole
> > time. OK, now this is the good part. Spray paint in there with an
> > undercoating nozzle, while a helper applies a shop vacuum nozzle to the
> > other end!
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:ea68e4$8hb$1@reader2.panix.com...
> >
> >>Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> >>the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> >>preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> >>better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> >>allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> >>trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
> >>accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
> >>back there inside the box.
> >>
> >>
> >>Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >>>How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration?
> >
> > What
> >
> >>>do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> >>>Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?)
> >
> > As
> >
> >>>you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> >>>budgets.
> >>>
> >>>Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in
> >
> > "hot
> >
> >>>oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> >>>heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your
> >
> > car.
> >
> >>>They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$,
> >
> > you
> >
> >>>could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> >>>remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> >>>longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
> >>>
> >>>I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope
> >
> > for
> >
> >>>the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain
> >
> > hole,
> >
> >>>and don't have it.
> >>>
> >>>Earle
> >>>
> >>>"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googl egroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> >>>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> >>>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> >>>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> >>>>It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> >>>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> >>>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> >>>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> >>>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> >>>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> >>>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> >>>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
> >>>>
> >>>>Neil
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> >>(tm)." David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> >>temperature in AFU Labs.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> (tm)." David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> temperature in AFU Labs.

Over here in the UK we have big rust problems on old vehicles because
we use salt on the roads in winter (which are long and wet). We have a
product called 'Waxoyl' which is a thick grease like substance designed
to be sprayed into chassis members via access holes, you can get
presure spraying kits for it. It is fairly cheap (maybe $30 a gallon in
your money) and kills old rust and seems to work well (its horrible
stuff, based on white spirit). Not sure if its is available in the US
though, it is made by Hammerite. Maybe you could order it from here
over the web.

thetuna

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> It would be a bit like trying to fish a length of Romex up through a
> wall without a fishtape, but yeah, it would work better than nothing.
> I'd thought about those wands I hear that the rust proofing guys use to
> spray inside body panel spaces. In the end I decided that my CJ would
> probably never again see a salted, slushy road or not be parked in a
> garage and did what I could and ignored the rest.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Can you run a piece of flexible hose through there, say an air hose? Run
> > the hose all the way through, then slowly withdraw it, blowing air the whole
> > time. OK, now this is the good part. Spray paint in there with an
> > undercoating nozzle, while a helper applies a shop vacuum nozzle to the
> > other end!
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:ea68e4$8hb$1@reader2.panix.com...
> >
> >>Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> >>the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> >>preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> >>better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> >>allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> >>trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
> >>accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
> >>back there inside the box.
> >>
> >>
> >>Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >>>How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration?
> >
> > What
> >
> >>>do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> >>>Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?)
> >
> > As
> >
> >>>you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> >>>budgets.
> >>>
> >>>Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in
> >
> > "hot
> >
> >>>oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> >>>heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your
> >
> > car.
> >
> >>>They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$,
> >
> > you
> >
> >>>could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> >>>remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> >>>longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
> >>>
> >>>I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope
> >
> > for
> >
> >>>the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain
> >
> > hole,
> >
> >>>and don't have it.
> >>>
> >>>Earle
> >>>
> >>>"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googl egroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> >>>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> >>>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> >>>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> >>>>It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> >>>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> >>>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> >>>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> >>>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> >>>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> >>>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> >>>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
> >>>>
> >>>>Neil
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> >>(tm)." David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> >>temperature in AFU Labs.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> (tm)." David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> temperature in AFU Labs.

Over here in the UK we have big rust problems on old vehicles because
we use salt on the roads in winter (which are long and wet). We have a
product called 'Waxoyl' which is a thick grease like substance designed
to be sprayed into chassis members via access holes, you can get
presure spraying kits for it. It is fairly cheap (maybe $30 a gallon in
your money) and kills old rust and seems to work well (its horrible
stuff, based on white spirit). Not sure if its is available in the US
though, it is made by Hammerite. Maybe you could order it from here
over the web.

thetuna

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> It would be a bit like trying to fish a length of Romex up through a
> wall without a fishtape, but yeah, it would work better than nothing.
> I'd thought about those wands I hear that the rust proofing guys use to
> spray inside body panel spaces. In the end I decided that my CJ would
> probably never again see a salted, slushy road or not be parked in a
> garage and did what I could and ignored the rest.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Can you run a piece of flexible hose through there, say an air hose? Run
> > the hose all the way through, then slowly withdraw it, blowing air the whole
> > time. OK, now this is the good part. Spray paint in there with an
> > undercoating nozzle, while a helper applies a shop vacuum nozzle to the
> > other end!
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:ea68e4$8hb$1@reader2.panix.com...
> >
> >>Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> >>the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> >>preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> >>better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> >>allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> >>trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
> >>accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
> >>back there inside the box.
> >>
> >>
> >>Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >>>How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration?
> >
> > What
> >
> >>>do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> >>>Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?)
> >
> > As
> >
> >>>you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> >>>budgets.
> >>>
> >>>Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in
> >
> > "hot
> >
> >>>oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> >>>heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your
> >
> > car.
> >
> >>>They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$,
> >
> > you
> >
> >>>could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> >>>remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> >>>longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
> >>>
> >>>I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope
> >
> > for
> >
> >>>the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain
> >
> > hole,
> >
> >>>and don't have it.
> >>>
> >>>Earle
> >>>
> >>>"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googl egroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> >>>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> >>>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> >>>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> >>>>It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> >>>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> >>>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> >>>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> >>>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> >>>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> >>>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> >>>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
> >>>>
> >>>>Neil
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> >>(tm)." David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> >>temperature in AFU Labs.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> (tm)." David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> temperature in AFU Labs.

Over here in the UK we have big rust problems on old vehicles because
we use salt on the roads in winter (which are long and wet). We have a
product called 'Waxoyl' which is a thick grease like substance designed
to be sprayed into chassis members via access holes, you can get
presure spraying kits for it. It is fairly cheap (maybe $30 a gallon in
your money) and kills old rust and seems to work well (its horrible
stuff, based on white spirit). Not sure if its is available in the US
though, it is made by Hammerite. Maybe you could order it from here
over the web.

thetuna

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> It would be a bit like trying to fish a length of Romex up through a
> wall without a fishtape, but yeah, it would work better than nothing.
> I'd thought about those wands I hear that the rust proofing guys use to
> spray inside body panel spaces. In the end I decided that my CJ would
> probably never again see a salted, slushy road or not be parked in a
> garage and did what I could and ignored the rest.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Can you run a piece of flexible hose through there, say an air hose? Run
> > the hose all the way through, then slowly withdraw it, blowing air the whole
> > time. OK, now this is the good part. Spray paint in there with an
> > undercoating nozzle, while a helper applies a shop vacuum nozzle to the
> > other end!
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:ea68e4$8hb$1@reader2.panix.com...
> >
> >>Even with the body off he won't be able to spray enough paint through
> >>the holes at the end of `79 CJ-5 frame to get enough coverage to
> >>preserve it. Got one, been there. He will be able to get a _bit_
> >>better access if he cuts off the rear frame member/bumper, which will
> >>allow him to spray paint a foot or so into the frame or about to the
> >>trailing end of the rear wheel arch. But it occurs to me that all he'll
> >>accomplish is getting a nice coat of paint on the piles of rust and dirt
> >>back there inside the box.
> >>
> >>
> >>Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >>>How much money do you have? Do you plan on a frame-off restoration?
> >
> > What
> >
> >>>do you plan for body panels? Where do you live? (If you live in New
> >>>Mexico, West Texas, or Arizona, why are you even worrying about this?)
> >
> > As
> >
> >>>you can see, there are different answers for different situations and
> >>>budgets.
> >>>
> >>>Back in New England, where I grew up, people had lots of confidence in
> >
> > "hot
> >
> >>>oil" undercoating. This was something nasty, like bunker oil, that they
> >>>heated up and sprayed into all the hidden panel access holes in your
> >
> > car.
> >
> >>>They swore by it. If you are doing a frame off, and have lots of $$$$,
> >
> > you
> >
> >>>could get the frame dipped like they used to do with AMC unibodies. (I
> >>>remember the ads, but as I also remember, AMC unibodies didn't last any
> >>>longer than other cars.) You could get the frame galvanized, $$$$$$$$.
> >>>
> >>>I think that I would spray lots of paint into the boxed areas, and hope
> >
> > for
> >
> >>>the best. Pay particular attention to areas that seem to need a drain
> >
> > hole,
> >
> >>>and don't have it.
> >>>
> >>>Earle
> >>>
> >>>"Neil" <neilbedwell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1153754063.810706.188580@m79g2000cwm.googl egroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello! I just recently purchased a 79 CJ5 with a 304 and 4 speed
> >>>>tranny. The Jeep is in relatively good shape, but the biggest reason I
> >>>>bought it is that the frame is in great shape. Some light to moderate
> >>>>surface rust, but nothing major and it's not been patched or welded on.
> >>>>It hasn't been messed with in any way that I can tell. Here's my
> >>>>question: Obviously, the way to go is to slap a good coat of POR15 on
> >>>>it before it gets any worse, but since it is a boxed frame how can I
> >>>>make sure that it doesn't rust from the inside out? I would hate to
> >>>>spend a fortune on POR15 just to have the rust get it from behind. I
> >>>>have searched quite a bit using google for any websites that would show
> >>>>some solutions, but to no avail. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks
> >>>>and I hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
> >>>>
> >>>>Neil
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> >>(tm)." David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> >>temperature in AFU Labs.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> This website supports what I thought would be true, So It Must Be
> (tm)." David Winsemius willingly creates an anti-motto at room
> temperature in AFU Labs.

Over here in the UK we have big rust problems on old vehicles because
we use salt on the roads in winter (which are long and wet). We have a
product called 'Waxoyl' which is a thick grease like substance designed
to be sprayed into chassis members via access holes, you can get
presure spraying kits for it. It is fairly cheap (maybe $30 a gallon in
your money) and kills old rust and seems to work well (its horrible
stuff, based on white spirit). Not sure if its is available in the US
though, it is made by Hammerite. Maybe you could order it from here
over the web.