"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8EF73F.6B1F34B9@***.net...
> No the Sergeant just lifted it, to give the officers his estimate
> of the prototype's weight, then testify it was under twelve hundred
> pounds. I think Olympic champions still can only clean and jerk about
> the weight of a Harley Davidson.

actually what he did is called a deadlift, and deadlifting the *** end of an
MB really isnt all that tough.


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8EF73F.6B1F34B9@***.net...
> No the Sergeant just lifted it, to give the officers his estimate
> of the prototype's weight, then testify it was under twelve hundred
> pounds. I think Olympic champions still can only clean and jerk about
> the weight of a Harley Davidson.

actually what he did is called a deadlift, and deadlifting the *** end of an
MB really isnt all that tough.


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8EF73F.6B1F34B9@***.net...
> No the Sergeant just lifted it, to give the officers his estimate
> of the prototype's weight, then testify it was under twelve hundred
> pounds. I think Olympic champions still can only clean and jerk about
> the weight of a Harley Davidson.

actually what he did is called a deadlift, and deadlifting the *** end of an
MB really isnt all that tough.


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

 

I run a 258 (4.2L) I6 with the Mopar fuel injection and a Borla header with
a MagnaFlow cat and muffler. (I bought the cat and muffler before I bought
the header, and decided that there was no point in buying them again.)

I run 32x11.50s under a 2" ProComp Suspension and 1" body lift. I would not
recommend the ProComp suspension because it is very stiff, and probably not
the right parts for the kind of offroading that I do. I use 4.10 gears with
lockers front and back. I have a full Detroit in the back, and an EZLocker
in the front. I run the D30 and AMC20, and the AMC has the Superior
One-Piece axles. I have the old Moser axles in the back yard, but they take
a ball bearing that has a 2500 pound load limit, the Superiors use tapered
roller bearings with a much higher load rating, I think the number is up to
5000 pounds, but I am not entirely sure on that point.

I can't imagine any real need for tires on my CJ that are any bigger than
what I have, and 33s for sure are the reasonable limit without running into
significant fabrication issues.

You can slide a set of 37s under that full sized Ford or Chevy truck without
too much trouble, but it would be a major stuffing exercise to get them
under a Jeep.




"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gastov0g9e6rt0knoqq8j94cpgt6iaer75@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:22:06 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
> <beerman@yahoo.com> shared the following:
>
> >
> >Putting anything larger than 35 on a CJ, YJ, or TJ is lunacy for most
> >people. The Jeeps that carry larger tires are hardly even recognizable as
> >ever being a Jeep.
>
> OK, this is beginning to sink in for me. :-) I don't even have a
> Jeep yet but was initially thinking of 37" tires. I think I should
> get real. If I got a Jeep with Dana 30 front, Dana 20 xfer case, and
> AMC 20 rear-end (I hear that's not a great one) does that sound like
> it would be crazy to put 35" tires on that kind of driveline? I plan
> on taking my Jeep offroading 3-4 times a month. I swear I'm not
> arguing. I'm just asking because I have no idea.
>
>
That AMC20 is actually as good as a D44 for just about everybody. I think
the D44 would be better for desert racing, perhaps, but other than that the
AMC20 with one piece axles and a little touch of the welding rod where the
axle tubes go into the pumkin, and you have very strong axle.

Those 35s are going to present you with some engineering and fabrication
obsitcles. A CJ is more realistic with 33s. Having said that, I think Robert
Bills on this group actually runs 35s under his CJ7, so it is doable.




> >> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
> >>
> >While this is true, the vehicle must be over 30 years old to enjoy such
an
> >exemption.
>
> I think that depends on your state laws. In North Carolina they only
> do emissions tests on vehicles less than 25 years old: (see #2 FAQ)
> http://www.dmv.dot.state.nc.us/enfor...tions/faq.html
> Here's the quote if you don't wanna bother with the website:
>
> What vehicles are required to be emissions tested?
> Effective July 1, 2002, all 1996 and newer gasoline-powered vehicles
> registered in an emissions county are required to receive the On Board
> Diagnostics(OBD II) emissions test.
>
> Additionally, through December 31, 2005, all gasoline-powered vehicles
> less than 25 years old, up to and including model year 1995,
> registered in one of the original nine emissions counties, (WAKE,
> FORSYTH, GUILFORD, DURHAM, GASTON, CABARRUS, MECKLENBURG, ORANGE, or
> UNION), will require an exhaust (tailpipe) emissions test.
>
>

OK, so is there a big difference in 25 and 30 years when we are talking
about the potential parts acquisition and fabrication issues relative to
doing some of the expected mods? I think not. I drive an '81 CJ5, and I am
not able to get lots of stuff for it anymore. Some things that you are
talking about doing will have to be done by a custom fabricator, or you have
to fabricate yourself, which really works out about the same.

 

I run a 258 (4.2L) I6 with the Mopar fuel injection and a Borla header with
a MagnaFlow cat and muffler. (I bought the cat and muffler before I bought
the header, and decided that there was no point in buying them again.)

I run 32x11.50s under a 2" ProComp Suspension and 1" body lift. I would not
recommend the ProComp suspension because it is very stiff, and probably not
the right parts for the kind of offroading that I do. I use 4.10 gears with
lockers front and back. I have a full Detroit in the back, and an EZLocker
in the front. I run the D30 and AMC20, and the AMC has the Superior
One-Piece axles. I have the old Moser axles in the back yard, but they take
a ball bearing that has a 2500 pound load limit, the Superiors use tapered
roller bearings with a much higher load rating, I think the number is up to
5000 pounds, but I am not entirely sure on that point.

I can't imagine any real need for tires on my CJ that are any bigger than
what I have, and 33s for sure are the reasonable limit without running into
significant fabrication issues.

You can slide a set of 37s under that full sized Ford or Chevy truck without
too much trouble, but it would be a major stuffing exercise to get them
under a Jeep.




"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gastov0g9e6rt0knoqq8j94cpgt6iaer75@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:22:06 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
> <beerman@yahoo.com> shared the following:
>
> >
> >Putting anything larger than 35 on a CJ, YJ, or TJ is lunacy for most
> >people. The Jeeps that carry larger tires are hardly even recognizable as
> >ever being a Jeep.
>
> OK, this is beginning to sink in for me. :-) I don't even have a
> Jeep yet but was initially thinking of 37" tires. I think I should
> get real. If I got a Jeep with Dana 30 front, Dana 20 xfer case, and
> AMC 20 rear-end (I hear that's not a great one) does that sound like
> it would be crazy to put 35" tires on that kind of driveline? I plan
> on taking my Jeep offroading 3-4 times a month. I swear I'm not
> arguing. I'm just asking because I have no idea.
>
>
That AMC20 is actually as good as a D44 for just about everybody. I think
the D44 would be better for desert racing, perhaps, but other than that the
AMC20 with one piece axles and a little touch of the welding rod where the
axle tubes go into the pumkin, and you have very strong axle.

Those 35s are going to present you with some engineering and fabrication
obsitcles. A CJ is more realistic with 33s. Having said that, I think Robert
Bills on this group actually runs 35s under his CJ7, so it is doable.




> >> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
> >>
> >While this is true, the vehicle must be over 30 years old to enjoy such
an
> >exemption.
>
> I think that depends on your state laws. In North Carolina they only
> do emissions tests on vehicles less than 25 years old: (see #2 FAQ)
> http://www.dmv.dot.state.nc.us/enfor...tions/faq.html
> Here's the quote if you don't wanna bother with the website:
>
> What vehicles are required to be emissions tested?
> Effective July 1, 2002, all 1996 and newer gasoline-powered vehicles
> registered in an emissions county are required to receive the On Board
> Diagnostics(OBD II) emissions test.
>
> Additionally, through December 31, 2005, all gasoline-powered vehicles
> less than 25 years old, up to and including model year 1995,
> registered in one of the original nine emissions counties, (WAKE,
> FORSYTH, GUILFORD, DURHAM, GASTON, CABARRUS, MECKLENBURG, ORANGE, or
> UNION), will require an exhaust (tailpipe) emissions test.
>
>

OK, so is there a big difference in 25 and 30 years when we are talking
about the potential parts acquisition and fabrication issues relative to
doing some of the expected mods? I think not. I drive an '81 CJ5, and I am
not able to get lots of stuff for it anymore. Some things that you are
talking about doing will have to be done by a custom fabricator, or you have
to fabricate yourself, which really works out about the same.

 

I run a 258 (4.2L) I6 with the Mopar fuel injection and a Borla header with
a MagnaFlow cat and muffler. (I bought the cat and muffler before I bought
the header, and decided that there was no point in buying them again.)

I run 32x11.50s under a 2" ProComp Suspension and 1" body lift. I would not
recommend the ProComp suspension because it is very stiff, and probably not
the right parts for the kind of offroading that I do. I use 4.10 gears with
lockers front and back. I have a full Detroit in the back, and an EZLocker
in the front. I run the D30 and AMC20, and the AMC has the Superior
One-Piece axles. I have the old Moser axles in the back yard, but they take
a ball bearing that has a 2500 pound load limit, the Superiors use tapered
roller bearings with a much higher load rating, I think the number is up to
5000 pounds, but I am not entirely sure on that point.

I can't imagine any real need for tires on my CJ that are any bigger than
what I have, and 33s for sure are the reasonable limit without running into
significant fabrication issues.

You can slide a set of 37s under that full sized Ford or Chevy truck without
too much trouble, but it would be a major stuffing exercise to get them
under a Jeep.




"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gastov0g9e6rt0knoqq8j94cpgt6iaer75@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:22:06 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
> <beerman@yahoo.com> shared the following:
>
> >
> >Putting anything larger than 35 on a CJ, YJ, or TJ is lunacy for most
> >people. The Jeeps that carry larger tires are hardly even recognizable as
> >ever being a Jeep.
>
> OK, this is beginning to sink in for me. :-) I don't even have a
> Jeep yet but was initially thinking of 37" tires. I think I should
> get real. If I got a Jeep with Dana 30 front, Dana 20 xfer case, and
> AMC 20 rear-end (I hear that's not a great one) does that sound like
> it would be crazy to put 35" tires on that kind of driveline? I plan
> on taking my Jeep offroading 3-4 times a month. I swear I'm not
> arguing. I'm just asking because I have no idea.
>
>
That AMC20 is actually as good as a D44 for just about everybody. I think
the D44 would be better for desert racing, perhaps, but other than that the
AMC20 with one piece axles and a little touch of the welding rod where the
axle tubes go into the pumkin, and you have very strong axle.

Those 35s are going to present you with some engineering and fabrication
obsitcles. A CJ is more realistic with 33s. Having said that, I think Robert
Bills on this group actually runs 35s under his CJ7, so it is doable.




> >> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
> >>
> >While this is true, the vehicle must be over 30 years old to enjoy such
an
> >exemption.
>
> I think that depends on your state laws. In North Carolina they only
> do emissions tests on vehicles less than 25 years old: (see #2 FAQ)
> http://www.dmv.dot.state.nc.us/enfor...tions/faq.html
> Here's the quote if you don't wanna bother with the website:
>
> What vehicles are required to be emissions tested?
> Effective July 1, 2002, all 1996 and newer gasoline-powered vehicles
> registered in an emissions county are required to receive the On Board
> Diagnostics(OBD II) emissions test.
>
> Additionally, through December 31, 2005, all gasoline-powered vehicles
> less than 25 years old, up to and including model year 1995,
> registered in one of the original nine emissions counties, (WAKE,
> FORSYTH, GUILFORD, DURHAM, GASTON, CABARRUS, MECKLENBURG, ORANGE, or
> UNION), will require an exhaust (tailpipe) emissions test.
>
>

OK, so is there a big difference in 25 and 30 years when we are talking
about the potential parts acquisition and fabrication issues relative to
doing some of the expected mods? I think not. I drive an '81 CJ5, and I am
not able to get lots of stuff for it anymore. Some things that you are
talking about doing will have to be done by a custom fabricator, or you have
to fabricate yourself, which really works out about the same.

 

No this is he: http://www.----------.com/my1jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

TJim wrote:
>
> Hey, isn't that L.W. (or whatever his *real* name is...) standing next to
> it?
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98

 

No this is he: http://www.----------.com/my1jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

TJim wrote:
>
> Hey, isn't that L.W. (or whatever his *real* name is...) standing next to
> it?
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98

 

No this is he: http://www.----------.com/my1jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

TJim wrote:
>
> Hey, isn't that L.W. (or whatever his *real* name is...) standing next to
> it?
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98

 

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kjttovgukhtsascfuu2fm7dk75av4dlm5h@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:43:45 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
> <beerman@yahoo.com> shared the following:
>
> >Why would you want a 150hp V8 that weighs something like 300 lbs, when
you
> >can have a 147 hp that weighs in at half that?
>
> Not that I want to do it anytime soon, but I'm sure the V8 would be
> easier to tweak for more power than an I6. Let's not start the
> "substitute for cubic inches" battle again, please. Also, the V8 has
> a "sound" to its exhaust that a 6 will never be able to match.
>
> > I just do not get your
> >infatuation with the big old V8 motors used in a Jeep, the newer,
lighter,
> >and smaller motors today produce more power, and the torque is just off
of
> >idle where you want it for offroading, instead of half way up the RPM
scale
> >where you seldom venture into.
> >
> >Don't get me wrong, there are great places to have a V8 motor, but Real
> >Jeeps don't need one.
>
> I'm sure not everyone shares that opinion or the swaps to V8s wouldn't
> be so common.
>
> > Put a V8 in my Mustang or Camaro where I can open it
> >up and use the power, but get the damn thing out of my Jeep where all I
want
> >is to crawl over rocks about the sixe of my Mustang of Camaro. Now that I
> >have said that, the 5.9L V8 from a Durango sounds kinda cool in a TJ ...
>
> You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. ;-)
>

Where I wheel, I see very few V8 motors in a Jeep, and the vast majority of
swaps are the result of blown motors and other such problems. If the motor
is toast, and it costs $750 to rebuild, or $1000 to replace with a V8, then
the V8 begins to make sense. When this happens, the V8 that goes in most
often, for reasons I don't completely understand, seems to be the Ford 5.0L.
The old AMC 304 gets built and rebuilt, but it is seldom the swap-of-choice
because the current V8s are much stronger.

Another improvement for a Jeep TJ or YJ is the GM 4.3L V6 from the S10 or
S15 trucks. This motor creates very impressive torque numbers at low speeds,
and has more than enough horsepower to drag the whole mess down the freeway
at a very respectible clip.