6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
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Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>>>Generally, when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the
>>>production year, the more suitable for off-roading.
>>
>>please explain.
>
>
> Well, just to name a few, off the top of my head:
>
> 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
Not one fiber of truth in that whole statement.
> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
...and this has to do with offroading HOW??????
> 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
>
> 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> made, such as 8-cyl engines
V8s are NOT a huge improvement over the I6 offroad, sorry. New paint??
Oh, come on!
>
> 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> Airbags, ABS, IFS.
Um, sorry. No CJ, YJ nor TJ has ever had IFS. IFS can ONLY be found on
the Liberty which is not necessarily an "offroad" vehicle. At any rate,
it's not the subject of the thread. ABS is an option and airbags only go
off at higher speeds than are found offroad.
I suggest you go back to the Crayola box and leave mommie's computer alone.
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01 XJ Sport
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Joshua Nelson wrote:
>>>Generally, when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the
>>>production year, the more suitable for off-roading.
>>
>>please explain.
>
>
> Well, just to name a few, off the top of my head:
>
> 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
Not one fiber of truth in that whole statement.
> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
...and this has to do with offroading HOW??????
> 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
>
> 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> made, such as 8-cyl engines
V8s are NOT a huge improvement over the I6 offroad, sorry. New paint??
Oh, come on!
>
> 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> Airbags, ABS, IFS.
Um, sorry. No CJ, YJ nor TJ has ever had IFS. IFS can ONLY be found on
the Liberty which is not necessarily an "offroad" vehicle. At any rate,
it's not the subject of the thread. ABS is an option and airbags only go
off at higher speeds than are found offroad.
I suggest you go back to the Crayola box and leave mommie's computer alone.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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Re: Military Jeeps...(was 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????)
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:31:55 GMT, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
>urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
>if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
>sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
>still available is he? Do tell.
You can still buy actual Military Jeeps in a few parts of Asia. I
believe you can get them in the Philippines as well. I can ask some
friends I have over there if you really want one but shipping to the
US is really expensive.
The only $50 Jeep you are going to get is the label that says "Jeep"
or "******".
I've heard Vietnam also has quite a few that can be had pretty cheap
but not for $50
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
>urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
>if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
>sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
>still available is he? Do tell.
You can still buy actual Military Jeeps in a few parts of Asia. I
believe you can get them in the Philippines as well. I can ask some
friends I have over there if you really want one but shipping to the
US is really expensive.
The only $50 Jeep you are going to get is the label that says "Jeep"
or "******".
I've heard Vietnam also has quite a few that can be had pretty cheap
but not for $50
#153
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Re: Military Jeeps...(was 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????)
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:31:55 GMT, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
>urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
>if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
>sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
>still available is he? Do tell.
You can still buy actual Military Jeeps in a few parts of Asia. I
believe you can get them in the Philippines as well. I can ask some
friends I have over there if you really want one but shipping to the
US is really expensive.
The only $50 Jeep you are going to get is the label that says "Jeep"
or "******".
I've heard Vietnam also has quite a few that can be had pretty cheap
but not for $50
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
>urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
>if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
>sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
>still available is he? Do tell.
You can still buy actual Military Jeeps in a few parts of Asia. I
believe you can get them in the Philippines as well. I can ask some
friends I have over there if you really want one but shipping to the
US is really expensive.
The only $50 Jeep you are going to get is the label that says "Jeep"
or "******".
I've heard Vietnam also has quite a few that can be had pretty cheap
but not for $50
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Re: Military Jeeps...(was 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????)
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:31:55 GMT, twaldron
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
>urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
>if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
>sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
>still available is he? Do tell.
You can still buy actual Military Jeeps in a few parts of Asia. I
believe you can get them in the Philippines as well. I can ask some
friends I have over there if you really want one but shipping to the
US is really expensive.
The only $50 Jeep you are going to get is the label that says "Jeep"
or "******".
I've heard Vietnam also has quite a few that can be had pretty cheap
but not for $50
<twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
>urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
>if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
>sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
>still available is he? Do tell.
You can still buy actual Military Jeeps in a few parts of Asia. I
believe you can get them in the Philippines as well. I can ask some
friends I have over there if you really want one but shipping to the
US is really expensive.
The only $50 Jeep you are going to get is the label that says "Jeep"
or "******".
I've heard Vietnam also has quite a few that can be had pretty cheap
but not for $50
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Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
Comments below...
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Jim
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.c om...
> > > Generally, when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the
> > > production year, the more suitable for off-roading.
> >
> > please explain.
>
> Well, just to name a few, off the top of my head:
I'm not sure that's where these came from:
>
> 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
For whom? I'd rather put lift springs in a TJ than a YJ or CJ. Besides,
what do modifications have to do with your original statement: "Generally,
when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the production year,
the more suitable for off-roading."
>
> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
And how does that help them off road?
>
> 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
I've seen more TJs off road than CJs. What does purchase price have to do
with ability?
>
> 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> made, such as 8-cyl engines
The 4.0L I6 and 2.5L I4 are more than capable off road... Especially the
4.0L.
>
> 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> Airbags, ABS, IFS.
Airbags don't affect your abilities off road. ABS can under certain
circumstances, but most people who are intending to take their jeeps off
road don't get it, or disable it. Even IFS <puts on nomex underwear> only
affects your off road drivability under certain circumstances, like when you
need extra flexibility.
Your points do not support your premise. If you had said, "I like older
jeeps better", that would have been fine. That's a subjective statement.
To say that "for stock jeeps, the older the jeep is the more off road
capable it is" and attempt to support the statement with these "facts" is
pure bunk.
--
Jim
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.c om...
> > > Generally, when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the
> > > production year, the more suitable for off-roading.
> >
> > please explain.
>
> Well, just to name a few, off the top of my head:
I'm not sure that's where these came from:
>
> 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
For whom? I'd rather put lift springs in a TJ than a YJ or CJ. Besides,
what do modifications have to do with your original statement: "Generally,
when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the production year,
the more suitable for off-roading."
>
> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
And how does that help them off road?
>
> 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
I've seen more TJs off road than CJs. What does purchase price have to do
with ability?
>
> 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> made, such as 8-cyl engines
The 4.0L I6 and 2.5L I4 are more than capable off road... Especially the
4.0L.
>
> 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> Airbags, ABS, IFS.
Airbags don't affect your abilities off road. ABS can under certain
circumstances, but most people who are intending to take their jeeps off
road don't get it, or disable it. Even IFS <puts on nomex underwear> only
affects your off road drivability under certain circumstances, like when you
need extra flexibility.
Your points do not support your premise. If you had said, "I like older
jeeps better", that would have been fine. That's a subjective statement.
To say that "for stock jeeps, the older the jeep is the more off road
capable it is" and attempt to support the statement with these "facts" is
pure bunk.
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Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
Comments below...
--
Jim
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.c om...
> > > Generally, when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the
> > > production year, the more suitable for off-roading.
> >
> > please explain.
>
> Well, just to name a few, off the top of my head:
I'm not sure that's where these came from:
>
> 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
For whom? I'd rather put lift springs in a TJ than a YJ or CJ. Besides,
what do modifications have to do with your original statement: "Generally,
when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the production year,
the more suitable for off-roading."
>
> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
And how does that help them off road?
>
> 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
I've seen more TJs off road than CJs. What does purchase price have to do
with ability?
>
> 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> made, such as 8-cyl engines
The 4.0L I6 and 2.5L I4 are more than capable off road... Especially the
4.0L.
>
> 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> Airbags, ABS, IFS.
Airbags don't affect your abilities off road. ABS can under certain
circumstances, but most people who are intending to take their jeeps off
road don't get it, or disable it. Even IFS <puts on nomex underwear> only
affects your off road drivability under certain circumstances, like when you
need extra flexibility.
Your points do not support your premise. If you had said, "I like older
jeeps better", that would have been fine. That's a subjective statement.
To say that "for stock jeeps, the older the jeep is the more off road
capable it is" and attempt to support the statement with these "facts" is
pure bunk.
--
Jim
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.c om...
> > > Generally, when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the
> > > production year, the more suitable for off-roading.
> >
> > please explain.
>
> Well, just to name a few, off the top of my head:
I'm not sure that's where these came from:
>
> 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
For whom? I'd rather put lift springs in a TJ than a YJ or CJ. Besides,
what do modifications have to do with your original statement: "Generally,
when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the production year,
the more suitable for off-roading."
>
> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
And how does that help them off road?
>
> 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
I've seen more TJs off road than CJs. What does purchase price have to do
with ability?
>
> 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> made, such as 8-cyl engines
The 4.0L I6 and 2.5L I4 are more than capable off road... Especially the
4.0L.
>
> 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> Airbags, ABS, IFS.
Airbags don't affect your abilities off road. ABS can under certain
circumstances, but most people who are intending to take their jeeps off
road don't get it, or disable it. Even IFS <puts on nomex underwear> only
affects your off road drivability under certain circumstances, like when you
need extra flexibility.
Your points do not support your premise. If you had said, "I like older
jeeps better", that would have been fine. That's a subjective statement.
To say that "for stock jeeps, the older the jeep is the more off road
capable it is" and attempt to support the statement with these "facts" is
pure bunk.
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Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
Comments below...
--
Jim
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.c om...
> > > Generally, when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the
> > > production year, the more suitable for off-roading.
> >
> > please explain.
>
> Well, just to name a few, off the top of my head:
I'm not sure that's where these came from:
>
> 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
For whom? I'd rather put lift springs in a TJ than a YJ or CJ. Besides,
what do modifications have to do with your original statement: "Generally,
when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the production year,
the more suitable for off-roading."
>
> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
And how does that help them off road?
>
> 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
I've seen more TJs off road than CJs. What does purchase price have to do
with ability?
>
> 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> made, such as 8-cyl engines
The 4.0L I6 and 2.5L I4 are more than capable off road... Especially the
4.0L.
>
> 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> Airbags, ABS, IFS.
Airbags don't affect your abilities off road. ABS can under certain
circumstances, but most people who are intending to take their jeeps off
road don't get it, or disable it. Even IFS <puts on nomex underwear> only
affects your off road drivability under certain circumstances, like when you
need extra flexibility.
Your points do not support your premise. If you had said, "I like older
jeeps better", that would have been fine. That's a subjective statement.
To say that "for stock jeeps, the older the jeep is the more off road
capable it is" and attempt to support the statement with these "facts" is
pure bunk.
--
Jim
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.c om...
> > > Generally, when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the
> > > production year, the more suitable for off-roading.
> >
> > please explain.
>
> Well, just to name a few, off the top of my head:
I'm not sure that's where these came from:
>
> 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
For whom? I'd rather put lift springs in a TJ than a YJ or CJ. Besides,
what do modifications have to do with your original statement: "Generally,
when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the production year,
the more suitable for off-roading."
>
> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
And how does that help them off road?
>
> 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
I've seen more TJs off road than CJs. What does purchase price have to do
with ability?
>
> 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> made, such as 8-cyl engines
The 4.0L I6 and 2.5L I4 are more than capable off road... Especially the
4.0L.
>
> 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> Airbags, ABS, IFS.
Airbags don't affect your abilities off road. ABS can under certain
circumstances, but most people who are intending to take their jeeps off
road don't get it, or disable it. Even IFS <puts on nomex underwear> only
affects your off road drivability under certain circumstances, like when you
need extra flexibility.
Your points do not support your premise. If you had said, "I like older
jeeps better", that would have been fine. That's a subjective statement.
To say that "for stock jeeps, the older the jeep is the more off road
capable it is" and attempt to support the statement with these "facts" is
pure bunk.