Troy

If it is I'll be pretty mad at the shop who worked on it. What else that
gets me is that before I had the rear upper adjustable control arms, I asked
the last shop guy to check all the angles n stuff, and when I picked it up
after he worked on it I asked if he checked the driveline angles and he said
Yup, everything is fine. Well before I added those control arms the pinion
was not pointing up at the transfer case like it should and I had more vibes
than I do now.

Come to think of it, I also paid him to install a locker, and when I got it
back he had put in a limited slip... I took it back and told him locker, as
in Detroit Locker, and he said oops usually locker means a lsd? I'm not
sure about how much he knows about jeep drivelines so I haven't been back
since.

Troy

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Ninety nine percent of the slip joints work perfect with just a
felt seal, well greased of course:
http://www.jeep-trucks.com/WOJP/Prop.../SlipJoint.jpg Again make
sure the joints are aligned in an H. One spline off and their two
elliptical paths will work against each other like you describe:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...aft/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Troy wrote:
>
> Damn I should have done that today while I was under it. I'll try that
> tomorrow. So if the vibes do go away then the driveshaft would be the
> culprit? I noticed in the link Bill posted (thanks Bill!) that the
> driveshaft had a rubber boot around it where mine does not. I was
> underwater with the thing, and the driveshaft without the boots is splined
> and slides into the rest of the shaft, looks like water/mud could have
> gotten in there maybe? I can't imagine why I dont have the boot on it. The
> shop who installed the cv driveshaft is supposed to be reputable, it's a
> nationwide chain. (4wheelparts&more) but this was a while ago.
>
> I shouldn't give up I guess, as long as ya'll have stuff for me to check
> I'll keep checking.
>
> What else should I be trying here? Maybe if I can make a big list I'll
> spend all day trying things out.
>
> Troy

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Ninety nine percent of the slip joints work perfect with just a
felt seal, well greased of course:
http://www.jeep-trucks.com/WOJP/Prop.../SlipJoint.jpg Again make
sure the joints are aligned in an H. One spline off and their two
elliptical paths will work against each other like you describe:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...aft/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Troy wrote:
>
> Damn I should have done that today while I was under it. I'll try that
> tomorrow. So if the vibes do go away then the driveshaft would be the
> culprit? I noticed in the link Bill posted (thanks Bill!) that the
> driveshaft had a rubber boot around it where mine does not. I was
> underwater with the thing, and the driveshaft without the boots is splined
> and slides into the rest of the shaft, looks like water/mud could have
> gotten in there maybe? I can't imagine why I dont have the boot on it. The
> shop who installed the cv driveshaft is supposed to be reputable, it's a
> nationwide chain. (4wheelparts&more) but this was a while ago.
>
> I shouldn't give up I guess, as long as ya'll have stuff for me to check
> I'll keep checking.
>
> What else should I be trying here? Maybe if I can make a big list I'll
> spend all day trying things out.
>
> Troy

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Ninety nine percent of the slip joints work perfect with just a
felt seal, well greased of course:
http://www.jeep-trucks.com/WOJP/Prop.../SlipJoint.jpg Again make
sure the joints are aligned in an H. One spline off and their two
elliptical paths will work against each other like you describe:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...aft/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Troy wrote:
>
> Damn I should have done that today while I was under it. I'll try that
> tomorrow. So if the vibes do go away then the driveshaft would be the
> culprit? I noticed in the link Bill posted (thanks Bill!) that the
> driveshaft had a rubber boot around it where mine does not. I was
> underwater with the thing, and the driveshaft without the boots is splined
> and slides into the rest of the shaft, looks like water/mud could have
> gotten in there maybe? I can't imagine why I dont have the boot on it. The
> shop who installed the cv driveshaft is supposed to be reputable, it's a
> nationwide chain. (4wheelparts&more) but this was a while ago.
>
> I shouldn't give up I guess, as long as ya'll have stuff for me to check
> I'll keep checking.
>
> What else should I be trying here? Maybe if I can make a big list I'll
> spend all day trying things out.
>
> Troy

twaldron

SIDENOTE: If you quote the post you are replying to (as I did below) it
will be easier to determine what you are replying to.

I would not worry about the boot. If you keep grease in the shaft it
will be fine. If you go thru water crossings, RE-GREASE EVERYTHING when
you get home.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Troy wrote:
> Damn I should have done that today while I was under it. I'll try that
> tomorrow. So if the vibes do go away then the driveshaft would be the
> culprit? I noticed in the link Bill posted (thanks Bill!) that the
> driveshaft had a rubber boot around it where mine does not. I was
> underwater with the thing, and the driveshaft without the boots is splined
> and slides into the rest of the shaft, looks like water/mud could have
> gotten in there maybe? I can't imagine why I dont have the boot on it. The
> shop who installed the cv driveshaft is supposed to be reputable, it's a
> nationwide chain. (4wheelparts&more) but this was a while ago.
>
> I shouldn't give up I guess, as long as ya'll have stuff for me to check
> I'll keep checking.
>
> What else should I be trying here? Maybe if I can make a big list I'll
> spend all day trying things out.
>
> Troy
>
>

twaldron

SIDENOTE: If you quote the post you are replying to (as I did below) it
will be easier to determine what you are replying to.

I would not worry about the boot. If you keep grease in the shaft it
will be fine. If you go thru water crossings, RE-GREASE EVERYTHING when
you get home.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Troy wrote:
> Damn I should have done that today while I was under it. I'll try that
> tomorrow. So if the vibes do go away then the driveshaft would be the
> culprit? I noticed in the link Bill posted (thanks Bill!) that the
> driveshaft had a rubber boot around it where mine does not. I was
> underwater with the thing, and the driveshaft without the boots is splined
> and slides into the rest of the shaft, looks like water/mud could have
> gotten in there maybe? I can't imagine why I dont have the boot on it. The
> shop who installed the cv driveshaft is supposed to be reputable, it's a
> nationwide chain. (4wheelparts&more) but this was a while ago.
>
> I shouldn't give up I guess, as long as ya'll have stuff for me to check
> I'll keep checking.
>
> What else should I be trying here? Maybe if I can make a big list I'll
> spend all day trying things out.
>
> Troy
>
>

twaldron

SIDENOTE: If you quote the post you are replying to (as I did below) it
will be easier to determine what you are replying to.

I would not worry about the boot. If you keep grease in the shaft it
will be fine. If you go thru water crossings, RE-GREASE EVERYTHING when
you get home.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Troy wrote:
> Damn I should have done that today while I was under it. I'll try that
> tomorrow. So if the vibes do go away then the driveshaft would be the
> culprit? I noticed in the link Bill posted (thanks Bill!) that the
> driveshaft had a rubber boot around it where mine does not. I was
> underwater with the thing, and the driveshaft without the boots is splined
> and slides into the rest of the shaft, looks like water/mud could have
> gotten in there maybe? I can't imagine why I dont have the boot on it. The
> shop who installed the cv driveshaft is supposed to be reputable, it's a
> nationwide chain. (4wheelparts&more) but this was a while ago.
>
> I shouldn't give up I guess, as long as ya'll have stuff for me to check
> I'll keep checking.
>
> What else should I be trying here? Maybe if I can make a big list I'll
> spend all day trying things out.
>
> Troy
>
>

twaldron

LSD is a traction aid, but not a locker. That is a strange mistake or
assumption that the shop made. Really strange.

This is VERY hard to diagnose over the internet, but what I suggest is
that you learn to do things like lifts on your own. You will know
what/when things change and how they interact. You can troubleshoot and
repair your own stuff and save yourself tons of $. You seem to have the
aptitude.

Things like vibrations are hard to trace down sometimes. If you have the
axles set up and oriented correctly (and make sure you do...BTW, I err
on the side of pointing the pinion down slightly as opposed to too
high.), then swapping parts with a willing friend's Jeep to eliminate
components as culprits helps. Swap shafts, wheels & tires, etc.

What bothers me about your description, is you seem to have vibes all
the time, in some intensity. This may indicate multiple sources.
Driveline vibes will not appear when your coasting in neutral with the
drive train relaxed. You will feel them buzzing on acceleration or
deceleration.

I still suggest bagging the spacer kit. CV shafts are not supposed to
run in a straight line. They are built to run at an angle. If you can
back track to before you got the vibes and move forward. You may be able
to pinpoint the issue. Having an accident opens an entirely different
size can of worms.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________


Troy wrote:
> If it is I'll be pretty mad at the shop who worked on it. What else that
> gets me is that before I had the rear upper adjustable control arms, I asked
> the last shop guy to check all the angles n stuff, and when I picked it up
> after he worked on it I asked if he checked the driveline angles and he said
> Yup, everything is fine. Well before I added those control arms the pinion
> was not pointing up at the transfer case like it should and I had more vibes
> than I do now.
>
> Come to think of it, I also paid him to install a locker, and when I got it
> back he had put in a limited slip... I took it back and told him locker, as
> in Detroit Locker, and he said oops usually locker means a lsd? I'm not
> sure about how much he knows about jeep drivelines so I haven't been back
> since.
>
> Troy
>
>

twaldron

LSD is a traction aid, but not a locker. That is a strange mistake or
assumption that the shop made. Really strange.

This is VERY hard to diagnose over the internet, but what I suggest is
that you learn to do things like lifts on your own. You will know
what/when things change and how they interact. You can troubleshoot and
repair your own stuff and save yourself tons of $. You seem to have the
aptitude.

Things like vibrations are hard to trace down sometimes. If you have the
axles set up and oriented correctly (and make sure you do...BTW, I err
on the side of pointing the pinion down slightly as opposed to too
high.), then swapping parts with a willing friend's Jeep to eliminate
components as culprits helps. Swap shafts, wheels & tires, etc.

What bothers me about your description, is you seem to have vibes all
the time, in some intensity. This may indicate multiple sources.
Driveline vibes will not appear when your coasting in neutral with the
drive train relaxed. You will feel them buzzing on acceleration or
deceleration.

I still suggest bagging the spacer kit. CV shafts are not supposed to
run in a straight line. They are built to run at an angle. If you can
back track to before you got the vibes and move forward. You may be able
to pinpoint the issue. Having an accident opens an entirely different
size can of worms.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________


Troy wrote:
> If it is I'll be pretty mad at the shop who worked on it. What else that
> gets me is that before I had the rear upper adjustable control arms, I asked
> the last shop guy to check all the angles n stuff, and when I picked it up
> after he worked on it I asked if he checked the driveline angles and he said
> Yup, everything is fine. Well before I added those control arms the pinion
> was not pointing up at the transfer case like it should and I had more vibes
> than I do now.
>
> Come to think of it, I also paid him to install a locker, and when I got it
> back he had put in a limited slip... I took it back and told him locker, as
> in Detroit Locker, and he said oops usually locker means a lsd? I'm not
> sure about how much he knows about jeep drivelines so I haven't been back
> since.
>
> Troy
>
>

twaldron

LSD is a traction aid, but not a locker. That is a strange mistake or
assumption that the shop made. Really strange.

This is VERY hard to diagnose over the internet, but what I suggest is
that you learn to do things like lifts on your own. You will know
what/when things change and how they interact. You can troubleshoot and
repair your own stuff and save yourself tons of $. You seem to have the
aptitude.

Things like vibrations are hard to trace down sometimes. If you have the
axles set up and oriented correctly (and make sure you do...BTW, I err
on the side of pointing the pinion down slightly as opposed to too
high.), then swapping parts with a willing friend's Jeep to eliminate
components as culprits helps. Swap shafts, wheels & tires, etc.

What bothers me about your description, is you seem to have vibes all
the time, in some intensity. This may indicate multiple sources.
Driveline vibes will not appear when your coasting in neutral with the
drive train relaxed. You will feel them buzzing on acceleration or
deceleration.

I still suggest bagging the spacer kit. CV shafts are not supposed to
run in a straight line. They are built to run at an angle. If you can
back track to before you got the vibes and move forward. You may be able
to pinpoint the issue. Having an accident opens an entirely different
size can of worms.

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________


Troy wrote:
> If it is I'll be pretty mad at the shop who worked on it. What else that
> gets me is that before I had the rear upper adjustable control arms, I asked
> the last shop guy to check all the angles n stuff, and when I picked it up
> after he worked on it I asked if he checked the driveline angles and he said
> Yup, everything is fine. Well before I added those control arms the pinion
> was not pointing up at the transfer case like it should and I had more vibes
> than I do now.
>
> Come to think of it, I also paid him to install a locker, and when I got it
> back he had put in a limited slip... I took it back and told him locker, as
> in Detroit Locker, and he said oops usually locker means a lsd? I'm not
> sure about how much he knows about jeep drivelines so I haven't been back
> since.
>
> Troy
>
>