Terry Jeffrey

Jim,

Yes, I saw Bill's list, and believe it to be absolutely correct -- that you
will have to replace the carrier in most cases. But I'm also sure that
replacing the carrier is not necessary if one is to also install a LockRight
at the same time, since installation of the LockRight replaces the spider
and side gears that live inside the carrier. These new LockRight spider and
side gears are specifically for a given gearing.

Taking out the stock carrier, I removed the 3.07 ring gear, removed the roll
pin & cross shaft, dropped out the old spider/side gears, bolted the new
4.56 ring gear down on the stock carrier, installed the LockRight into the
carrier (with the new spider/side gears), reinstalled the carrier in the
D30, and all was well.

Thanks,
Terry.


"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> Did you see Bill's list?
> http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
>
> JimG
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to replace
> the
> > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be replaced.
> My
> > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
and
> > > rear.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > replace
> > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> because
> > I
> > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
side
> > and
> > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > >
> > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> that.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > JimG
> > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front. I
> > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> 4.56
> > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> gears
> > in
> > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> gears
> > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
I'm
> > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> 4.56
> > to
> > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

JimG

The Lock Right has nothing to do with the ring, pinion, and carrier
combination, it simply replaces the spider gears. The Lock Right part
number is based on the axle and spline count, not the gear ratio. The 4.56
ring gear/pinion combination will not fit on the 3.07 carrier. There are
other locker systems that replace the carrier, but I am not familiar with
them.

http://www.powertrax.com/lrinst.htm

JimG

"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OoIHb.22604$Pg1.16866@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> Jim,
>
> Yes, I saw Bill's list, and believe it to be absolutely correct -- that
you
> will have to replace the carrier in most cases. But I'm also sure that
> replacing the carrier is not necessary if one is to also install a
LockRight
> at the same time, since installation of the LockRight replaces the spider
> and side gears that live inside the carrier. These new LockRight spider
and
> side gears are specifically for a given gearing.
>
> Taking out the stock carrier, I removed the 3.07 ring gear, removed the
roll
> pin & cross shaft, dropped out the old spider/side gears, bolted the new
> 4.56 ring gear down on the stock carrier, installed the LockRight into the
> carrier (with the new spider/side gears), reinstalled the carrier in the
> D30, and all was well.
>
> Thanks,
> Terry.
>
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> > Did you see Bill's list?
> > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
replace
> > the
> > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
replaced.
> > My
> > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
> and
> > > > rear.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > > replace
> > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
> side
> > > and
> > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front.
I
> > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> > 4.56
> > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> > gears
> > > in
> > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> > gears
> > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
> I'm
> > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> > 4.56
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

JimG

The Lock Right has nothing to do with the ring, pinion, and carrier
combination, it simply replaces the spider gears. The Lock Right part
number is based on the axle and spline count, not the gear ratio. The 4.56
ring gear/pinion combination will not fit on the 3.07 carrier. There are
other locker systems that replace the carrier, but I am not familiar with
them.

http://www.powertrax.com/lrinst.htm

JimG

"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OoIHb.22604$Pg1.16866@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> Jim,
>
> Yes, I saw Bill's list, and believe it to be absolutely correct -- that
you
> will have to replace the carrier in most cases. But I'm also sure that
> replacing the carrier is not necessary if one is to also install a
LockRight
> at the same time, since installation of the LockRight replaces the spider
> and side gears that live inside the carrier. These new LockRight spider
and
> side gears are specifically for a given gearing.
>
> Taking out the stock carrier, I removed the 3.07 ring gear, removed the
roll
> pin & cross shaft, dropped out the old spider/side gears, bolted the new
> 4.56 ring gear down on the stock carrier, installed the LockRight into the
> carrier (with the new spider/side gears), reinstalled the carrier in the
> D30, and all was well.
>
> Thanks,
> Terry.
>
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> > Did you see Bill's list?
> > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
replace
> > the
> > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
replaced.
> > My
> > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
> and
> > > > rear.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > > replace
> > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
> side
> > > and
> > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front.
I
> > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> > 4.56
> > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> > gears
> > > in
> > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> > gears
> > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
> I'm
> > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> > 4.56
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

JimG

The Lock Right has nothing to do with the ring, pinion, and carrier
combination, it simply replaces the spider gears. The Lock Right part
number is based on the axle and spline count, not the gear ratio. The 4.56
ring gear/pinion combination will not fit on the 3.07 carrier. There are
other locker systems that replace the carrier, but I am not familiar with
them.

http://www.powertrax.com/lrinst.htm

JimG

"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OoIHb.22604$Pg1.16866@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> Jim,
>
> Yes, I saw Bill's list, and believe it to be absolutely correct -- that
you
> will have to replace the carrier in most cases. But I'm also sure that
> replacing the carrier is not necessary if one is to also install a
LockRight
> at the same time, since installation of the LockRight replaces the spider
> and side gears that live inside the carrier. These new LockRight spider
and
> side gears are specifically for a given gearing.
>
> Taking out the stock carrier, I removed the 3.07 ring gear, removed the
roll
> pin & cross shaft, dropped out the old spider/side gears, bolted the new
> 4.56 ring gear down on the stock carrier, installed the LockRight into the
> carrier (with the new spider/side gears), reinstalled the carrier in the
> D30, and all was well.
>
> Thanks,
> Terry.
>
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> > Did you see Bill's list?
> > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
replace
> > the
> > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
replaced.
> > My
> > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
> and
> > > > rear.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > > replace
> > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
> side
> > > and
> > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front.
I
> > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> > 4.56
> > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> > gears
> > > in
> > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> > gears
> > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
> I'm
> > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> > 4.56
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Terry Jeffrey

My 4.56 ring gear did fit on the stock carrier, and I successfully used the
combination I speak of for about 6 years, Jim.

I know I'm not hallucinating (today) :))

Terry.



"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:aKIHb.32196$A15.18821@news01.roc.ny...
> The Lock Right has nothing to do with the ring, pinion, and carrier
> combination, it simply replaces the spider gears. The Lock Right part
> number is based on the axle and spline count, not the gear ratio. The
4.56
> ring gear/pinion combination will not fit on the 3.07 carrier. There are
> other locker systems that replace the carrier, but I am not familiar with
> them.
>
> http://www.powertrax.com/lrinst.htm
>
> JimG
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OoIHb.22604$Pg1.16866@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > Jim,
> >
> > Yes, I saw Bill's list, and believe it to be absolutely correct -- that
> you
> > will have to replace the carrier in most cases. But I'm also sure that
> > replacing the carrier is not necessary if one is to also install a
> LockRight
> > at the same time, since installation of the LockRight replaces the
spider
> > and side gears that live inside the carrier. These new LockRight spider
> and
> > side gears are specifically for a given gearing.
> >
> > Taking out the stock carrier, I removed the 3.07 ring gear, removed the
> roll
> > pin & cross shaft, dropped out the old spider/side gears, bolted the new
> > 4.56 ring gear down on the stock carrier, installed the LockRight into
the
> > carrier (with the new spider/side gears), reinstalled the carrier in the
> > D30, and all was well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the
same.
> > > Did you see Bill's list?
> > > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
> replace
> > > the
> > > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > > >
> > > > Terry.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
> replaced.
> > > My
> > > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both
front
> > and
> > > > > rear.
> > > > >
> > > > > JimG
> > > > >
> > > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have
to
> > > > replace
> > > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > > because
> > > > I
> > > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces
the
> > side
> > > > and
> > > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there,
done
> > > that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30
front.
> I
> > > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to
put
> > > 4.56
> > > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or
lower
> > > gears
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the
4.56
> > > gears
> > > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds
like
> > I'm
> > > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for
the
> > > 4.56
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Terry Jeffrey

My 4.56 ring gear did fit on the stock carrier, and I successfully used the
combination I speak of for about 6 years, Jim.

I know I'm not hallucinating (today) :))

Terry.



"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:aKIHb.32196$A15.18821@news01.roc.ny...
> The Lock Right has nothing to do with the ring, pinion, and carrier
> combination, it simply replaces the spider gears. The Lock Right part
> number is based on the axle and spline count, not the gear ratio. The
4.56
> ring gear/pinion combination will not fit on the 3.07 carrier. There are
> other locker systems that replace the carrier, but I am not familiar with
> them.
>
> http://www.powertrax.com/lrinst.htm
>
> JimG
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OoIHb.22604$Pg1.16866@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > Jim,
> >
> > Yes, I saw Bill's list, and believe it to be absolutely correct -- that
> you
> > will have to replace the carrier in most cases. But I'm also sure that
> > replacing the carrier is not necessary if one is to also install a
> LockRight
> > at the same time, since installation of the LockRight replaces the
spider
> > and side gears that live inside the carrier. These new LockRight spider
> and
> > side gears are specifically for a given gearing.
> >
> > Taking out the stock carrier, I removed the 3.07 ring gear, removed the
> roll
> > pin & cross shaft, dropped out the old spider/side gears, bolted the new
> > 4.56 ring gear down on the stock carrier, installed the LockRight into
the
> > carrier (with the new spider/side gears), reinstalled the carrier in the
> > D30, and all was well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the
same.
> > > Did you see Bill's list?
> > > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
> replace
> > > the
> > > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > > >
> > > > Terry.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
> replaced.
> > > My
> > > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both
front
> > and
> > > > > rear.
> > > > >
> > > > > JimG
> > > > >
> > > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have
to
> > > > replace
> > > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > > because
> > > > I
> > > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces
the
> > side
> > > > and
> > > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there,
done
> > > that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30
front.
> I
> > > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to
put
> > > 4.56
> > > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or
lower
> > > gears
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the
4.56
> > > gears
> > > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds
like
> > I'm
> > > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for
the
> > > 4.56
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Terry Jeffrey

My 4.56 ring gear did fit on the stock carrier, and I successfully used the
combination I speak of for about 6 years, Jim.

I know I'm not hallucinating (today) :))

Terry.



"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:aKIHb.32196$A15.18821@news01.roc.ny...
> The Lock Right has nothing to do with the ring, pinion, and carrier
> combination, it simply replaces the spider gears. The Lock Right part
> number is based on the axle and spline count, not the gear ratio. The
4.56
> ring gear/pinion combination will not fit on the 3.07 carrier. There are
> other locker systems that replace the carrier, but I am not familiar with
> them.
>
> http://www.powertrax.com/lrinst.htm
>
> JimG
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OoIHb.22604$Pg1.16866@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > Jim,
> >
> > Yes, I saw Bill's list, and believe it to be absolutely correct -- that
> you
> > will have to replace the carrier in most cases. But I'm also sure that
> > replacing the carrier is not necessary if one is to also install a
> LockRight
> > at the same time, since installation of the LockRight replaces the
spider
> > and side gears that live inside the carrier. These new LockRight spider
> and
> > side gears are specifically for a given gearing.
> >
> > Taking out the stock carrier, I removed the 3.07 ring gear, removed the
> roll
> > pin & cross shaft, dropped out the old spider/side gears, bolted the new
> > 4.56 ring gear down on the stock carrier, installed the LockRight into
the
> > carrier (with the new spider/side gears), reinstalled the carrier in the
> > D30, and all was well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the
same.
> > > Did you see Bill's list?
> > > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
> replace
> > > the
> > > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > > >
> > > > Terry.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
> replaced.
> > > My
> > > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both
front
> > and
> > > > > rear.
> > > > >
> > > > > JimG
> > > > >
> > > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have
to
> > > > replace
> > > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > > because
> > > > I
> > > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces
the
> > side
> > > > and
> > > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there,
done
> > > that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30
front.
> I
> > > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to
put
> > > 4.56
> > > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or
lower
> > > gears
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the
4.56
> > > gears
> > > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds
like
> > I'm
> > > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for
the
> > > 4.56
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Terry Jeffrey

Hey guys, I'm not suggesting anybody is wrong. All I'm saying is I don't
recall having to replace the carrier in my D30 whenever I made this swap
back in spring of '96. The 4.56 ring bolted onto the stock carrier, and I
used it until about 4 months ago. If I hadn't taken the old D30 to salvage
last month, I'd go open it up and take a look. Both the CJ and the TJ use a
non-reverse cut D30, whereas the YJ uses a reverse-cut. Maybe this is the
difference -- I don't know. One thing is for sure: either it fit the stock
carrier on my 92YJ or all those brain cells I destroyed at a younger age is
starting to catch up with me!! :)

Cheers,
Terry.



"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:i9IHb.31792$gN.19187@fed1read05...
> I can't imagine going from 3.07 to 4.56 without needing a new carrier in
any
> Dana axle. I believe any ratio 3.73 or lower (lower meaning 4.10, 4.56,
> etc.) needs a new carrier, even in something that old. My TJ's
non-reverse
> cut D30 sure did when I went from 3.55 to 4.10... but I kept the same
> carrier when converting from 4.10 to 4.88 earlier this year.
>
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> > Did you see Bill's list?
> > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
replace
> > the
> > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
replaced.
> > My
> > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
> and
> > > > rear.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > > replace
> > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
> side
> > > and
> > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front.
I
> > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> > 4.56
> > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> > gears
> > > in
> > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> > gears
> > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
> I'm
> > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> > 4.56
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Terry Jeffrey

Hey guys, I'm not suggesting anybody is wrong. All I'm saying is I don't
recall having to replace the carrier in my D30 whenever I made this swap
back in spring of '96. The 4.56 ring bolted onto the stock carrier, and I
used it until about 4 months ago. If I hadn't taken the old D30 to salvage
last month, I'd go open it up and take a look. Both the CJ and the TJ use a
non-reverse cut D30, whereas the YJ uses a reverse-cut. Maybe this is the
difference -- I don't know. One thing is for sure: either it fit the stock
carrier on my 92YJ or all those brain cells I destroyed at a younger age is
starting to catch up with me!! :)

Cheers,
Terry.



"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:i9IHb.31792$gN.19187@fed1read05...
> I can't imagine going from 3.07 to 4.56 without needing a new carrier in
any
> Dana axle. I believe any ratio 3.73 or lower (lower meaning 4.10, 4.56,
> etc.) needs a new carrier, even in something that old. My TJ's
non-reverse
> cut D30 sure did when I went from 3.55 to 4.10... but I kept the same
> carrier when converting from 4.10 to 4.88 earlier this year.
>
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> > Did you see Bill's list?
> > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
replace
> > the
> > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
replaced.
> > My
> > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
> and
> > > > rear.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > > replace
> > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
> side
> > > and
> > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front.
I
> > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> > 4.56
> > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> > gears
> > > in
> > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> > gears
> > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
> I'm
> > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> > 4.56
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Terry Jeffrey

Hey guys, I'm not suggesting anybody is wrong. All I'm saying is I don't
recall having to replace the carrier in my D30 whenever I made this swap
back in spring of '96. The 4.56 ring bolted onto the stock carrier, and I
used it until about 4 months ago. If I hadn't taken the old D30 to salvage
last month, I'd go open it up and take a look. Both the CJ and the TJ use a
non-reverse cut D30, whereas the YJ uses a reverse-cut. Maybe this is the
difference -- I don't know. One thing is for sure: either it fit the stock
carrier on my 92YJ or all those brain cells I destroyed at a younger age is
starting to catch up with me!! :)

Cheers,
Terry.



"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:i9IHb.31792$gN.19187@fed1read05...
> I can't imagine going from 3.07 to 4.56 without needing a new carrier in
any
> Dana axle. I believe any ratio 3.73 or lower (lower meaning 4.10, 4.56,
> etc.) needs a new carrier, even in something that old. My TJ's
non-reverse
> cut D30 sure did when I went from 3.55 to 4.10... but I kept the same
> carrier when converting from 4.10 to 4.88 earlier this year.
>
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> > Did you see Bill's list?
> > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
replace
> > the
> > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
replaced.
> > My
> > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
> and
> > > > rear.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > > replace
> > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
> side
> > > and
> > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front.
I
> > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> > 4.56
> > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> > gears
> > > in
> > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> > gears
> > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
> I'm
> > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> > 4.56
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > Tom
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