2004TJ front end wobble
#141
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
I would agree.... except that when the tires are not rotated every 3000
miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
his tires.
Larry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
>> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
>> 95%
>> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
>
miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
his tires.
Larry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
>> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
>> 95%
>> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
>
#142
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Hi Doug,
Agreed, a shimmy is always caused by a combination of things, just
like you could say the same for the charging system, it's never just the
battery, or alternator, or short, but a combination that caused them to
go bad. Of course, an out of round tire could beat out the shocks, ball
joints, bearings, and box in short order.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
Agreed, a shimmy is always caused by a combination of things, just
like you could say the same for the charging system, it's never just the
battery, or alternator, or short, but a combination that caused them to
go bad. Of course, an out of round tire could beat out the shocks, ball
joints, bearings, and box in short order.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
#143
Guest
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Hi Doug,
Agreed, a shimmy is always caused by a combination of things, just
like you could say the same for the charging system, it's never just the
battery, or alternator, or short, but a combination that caused them to
go bad. Of course, an out of round tire could beat out the shocks, ball
joints, bearings, and box in short order.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
Agreed, a shimmy is always caused by a combination of things, just
like you could say the same for the charging system, it's never just the
battery, or alternator, or short, but a combination that caused them to
go bad. Of course, an out of round tire could beat out the shocks, ball
joints, bearings, and box in short order.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
#144
Guest
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Hi Doug,
Agreed, a shimmy is always caused by a combination of things, just
like you could say the same for the charging system, it's never just the
battery, or alternator, or short, but a combination that caused them to
go bad. Of course, an out of round tire could beat out the shocks, ball
joints, bearings, and box in short order.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
Agreed, a shimmy is always caused by a combination of things, just
like you could say the same for the charging system, it's never just the
battery, or alternator, or short, but a combination that caused them to
go bad. Of course, an out of round tire could beat out the shocks, ball
joints, bearings, and box in short order.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
#145
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Hi Doug,
Agreed, a shimmy is always caused by a combination of things, just
like you could say the same for the charging system, it's never just the
battery, or alternator, or short, but a combination that caused them to
go bad. Of course, an out of round tire could beat out the shocks, ball
joints, bearings, and box in short order.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
Agreed, a shimmy is always caused by a combination of things, just
like you could say the same for the charging system, it's never just the
battery, or alternator, or short, but a combination that caused them to
go bad. Of course, an out of round tire could beat out the shocks, ball
joints, bearings, and box in short order.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> can't control the problem and things go south.
>
> I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
>
> Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> all around and the problem went away.
>
> Death Wobble happens. ;)
>
> --
> DougW
#146
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Hi Larry,
Rotating the tire with each oil change is a part of maintains
schedule: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
extremetjs wrote:
>
> I would agree.... except that when the tires are not rotated every 3000
> miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
> is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
> weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
> whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
> that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
> since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
> did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
> his tires.
>
> Larry
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> > extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
> >> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
> >> 95%
> >> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
> >
> > DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> > out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> > the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> > causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> > can't control the problem and things go south.
> >
> > I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> > the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> > the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> > (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> > of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
> >
> > Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> > where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> > got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> > all around and the problem went away.
> >
> > Death Wobble happens. ;)
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
Rotating the tire with each oil change is a part of maintains
schedule: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
extremetjs wrote:
>
> I would agree.... except that when the tires are not rotated every 3000
> miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
> is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
> weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
> whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
> that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
> since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
> did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
> his tires.
>
> Larry
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> > extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
> >> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
> >> 95%
> >> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
> >
> > DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> > out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> > the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> > causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> > can't control the problem and things go south.
> >
> > I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> > the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> > the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> > (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> > of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
> >
> > Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> > where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> > got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> > all around and the problem went away.
> >
> > Death Wobble happens. ;)
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
#147
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Hi Larry,
Rotating the tire with each oil change is a part of maintains
schedule: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
extremetjs wrote:
>
> I would agree.... except that when the tires are not rotated every 3000
> miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
> is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
> weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
> whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
> that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
> since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
> did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
> his tires.
>
> Larry
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> > extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
> >> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
> >> 95%
> >> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
> >
> > DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> > out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> > the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> > causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> > can't control the problem and things go south.
> >
> > I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> > the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> > the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> > (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> > of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
> >
> > Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> > where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> > got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> > all around and the problem went away.
> >
> > Death Wobble happens. ;)
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
Rotating the tire with each oil change is a part of maintains
schedule: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
extremetjs wrote:
>
> I would agree.... except that when the tires are not rotated every 3000
> miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
> is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
> weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
> whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
> that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
> since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
> did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
> his tires.
>
> Larry
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> > extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
> >> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
> >> 95%
> >> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
> >
> > DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> > out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> > the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> > causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> > can't control the problem and things go south.
> >
> > I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> > the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> > the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> > (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> > of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
> >
> > Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> > where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> > got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> > all around and the problem went away.
> >
> > Death Wobble happens. ;)
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
#148
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Hi Larry,
Rotating the tire with each oil change is a part of maintains
schedule: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
extremetjs wrote:
>
> I would agree.... except that when the tires are not rotated every 3000
> miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
> is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
> weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
> whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
> that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
> since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
> did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
> his tires.
>
> Larry
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> > extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
> >> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
> >> 95%
> >> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
> >
> > DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> > out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> > the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> > causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> > can't control the problem and things go south.
> >
> > I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> > the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> > the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> > (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> > of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
> >
> > Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> > where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> > got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> > all around and the problem went away.
> >
> > Death Wobble happens. ;)
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
Rotating the tire with each oil change is a part of maintains
schedule: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
extremetjs wrote:
>
> I would agree.... except that when the tires are not rotated every 3000
> miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
> is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
> weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
> whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
> that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
> since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
> did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
> his tires.
>
> Larry
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> > extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
> >> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
> >> 95%
> >> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
> >
> > DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> > out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> > the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> > causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> > can't control the problem and things go south.
> >
> > I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> > the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> > the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> > (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> > of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
> >
> > Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> > where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> > got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> > all around and the problem went away.
> >
> > Death Wobble happens. ;)
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
#149
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Hi Larry,
Rotating the tire with each oil change is a part of maintains
schedule: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
extremetjs wrote:
>
> I would agree.... except that when the tires are not rotated every 3000
> miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
> is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
> weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
> whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
> that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
> since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
> did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
> his tires.
>
> Larry
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> > extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
> >> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
> >> 95%
> >> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
> >
> > DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> > out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> > the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> > causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> > can't control the problem and things go south.
> >
> > I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> > the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> > the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> > (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> > of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
> >
> > Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> > where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> > got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> > all around and the problem went away.
> >
> > Death Wobble happens. ;)
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
Rotating the tire with each oil change is a part of maintains
schedule: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
extremetjs wrote:
>
> I would agree.... except that when the tires are not rotated every 3000
> miles which most people do not know they have to do in a jeep wrangler this
> is due to the short wheel base, the tight turning radius,and being light
> weight vehicle that it is. when you look at the jeeping community as a
> whole, newbies and all. The majority of NEW jeep owners do not figure out
> that they must rotate EVERY 3000 miles their tires become junk. Essially
> since we are talking about a relitvely NEW JEEP it was a no brainer that he
> did not do the rotation that ws required in order to get a long life out of
> his tires.
>
> Larry
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:VXcxe.23451$mC.16595@okepread07...
> > extremetjs did pass the time by typing:
> >> We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W.
> >> 95%
> >> of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
> >
> > DW from my experience starts with tire imbalance or old shocks. As the
> > out of balance tire hops it slowly cups itself but more damage occurs to
> > the opposite tire since it is scrubbed. Just like a single shock failing
> > causes the opposite tire to cup. Eventually the damper and shocks simply
> > can't control the problem and things go south.
> >
> > I say tire imbalance because of all of the times it's happened to me in
> > the past, rotating tires front to back stopped the problem. Then taking
> > the jeep in for a ballance found one of the wheels had thrown a weight.
> > (one time it wasn't actually a weight that got thrown, it was the remains
> > of CV joint grease and dirt that formed a solid lump inside the rim.
> >
> > Another possible cause is non-matched front tires. I had a set of tires
> > where one was worn about 1/16" more than the others (dunno how) If it ever
> > got on the front DW would happen at about 80mph every time. Got new tires
> > all around and the problem went away.
> >
> > Death Wobble happens. ;)
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
#150
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
It makes sense that without following the tire rotation schedule, the
tire would start this, wear on the shocks and ultimately the steering
damper until becoming obvious. And yes, the FSM does say do a tire
rotation at every oil change. But not in the schedules, instead in the
description, under "At each oil change" which is why I missed it. Not
sure I would have believed it without experiencing the result in any
case.
However, from now on I certainly will be.
tire would start this, wear on the shocks and ultimately the steering
damper until becoming obvious. And yes, the FSM does say do a tire
rotation at every oil change. But not in the schedules, instead in the
description, under "At each oil change" which is why I missed it. Not
sure I would have believed it without experiencing the result in any
case.
However, from now on I certainly will be.