2004TJ front end wobble
06-27-2005, 04:20 PM
#121
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
then it has got to be your tires........
<justanartist@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119902089.770004.9610@g43g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
> >one last thing have you ever had it off road or did you buy it used ...
> >I
>>did run into a situation similar to this we found that the front drive
>>line
>>had been bent on a stump when it had been off road.
>
> Bought it new.
> Never off road (other than dirt roads in Vermont).
>
>>Two drastically different shocks on one axle will cause a LOT of
>>strange things - but you still need to nail down the undelying cause.
>>Right now, you have it masked but it will return.
>
>>If you have steel rims, did you check the runout? it doesn't take
>>much of a bump against a curb or rock to bend the rim enough to cause
>>problems.
>
> I went from stock shocks to four new shocks, so they always matched.
> It has the aluminum 15' rims.
> There's only two things left I would consider possible. Tires and
> alignment - and I'm still debating when to replace the stock Goodyear
> tyres. If I do them right away, the alignment is a waste. I have to
> admit, I'm looking for an excuse to get new.
>
> I'm not convinced entirely that this is a hidden problem at this point.
> With just the steering damper, absolutely - but after replacing the
> shocks it is stable and the wobble isn't present at all. No bump
> triggers anything remotely like that.
>
> --doug
>
<justanartist@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119902089.770004.9610@g43g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
> >one last thing have you ever had it off road or did you buy it used ...
> >I
>>did run into a situation similar to this we found that the front drive
>>line
>>had been bent on a stump when it had been off road.
>
> Bought it new.
> Never off road (other than dirt roads in Vermont).
>
>>Two drastically different shocks on one axle will cause a LOT of
>>strange things - but you still need to nail down the undelying cause.
>>Right now, you have it masked but it will return.
>
>>If you have steel rims, did you check the runout? it doesn't take
>>much of a bump against a curb or rock to bend the rim enough to cause
>>problems.
>
> I went from stock shocks to four new shocks, so they always matched.
> It has the aluminum 15' rims.
> There's only two things left I would consider possible. Tires and
> alignment - and I'm still debating when to replace the stock Goodyear
> tyres. If I do them right away, the alignment is a waste. I have to
> admit, I'm looking for an excuse to get new.
>
> I'm not convinced entirely that this is a hidden problem at this point.
> With just the steering damper, absolutely - but after replacing the
> shocks it is stable and the wobble isn't present at all. No bump
> triggers anything remotely like that.
>
> --doug
>
06-30-2005, 06:46 PM
#122
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Tires. The Goodyear Wrangler GSA lasted 30,456 miles. Less if you
count the last three weeks of troubleshooting... The tires were
scuffed and out of round. Apparently that's not bad for these
tires...
Also one of the five upgrade aluminum wheels is out of round - what do
you want to bet that was the spare and they figured I'd never notice...
Anyway it was one of the running wheels and now is the spare unless I
can get the dealer to replace it.
I put Michelin LTX M/Ses on it - smooth and clean ride. I drive snow
and highway right now, and I'm hoping (with regular 3000 mile
rotation...) to get at least 60000 from these.
I also had to align the car. It's now back to normal. Just wanted to
finish this.
count the last three weeks of troubleshooting... The tires were
scuffed and out of round. Apparently that's not bad for these
tires...
Also one of the five upgrade aluminum wheels is out of round - what do
you want to bet that was the spare and they figured I'd never notice...
Anyway it was one of the running wheels and now is the spare unless I
can get the dealer to replace it.
I put Michelin LTX M/Ses on it - smooth and clean ride. I drive snow
and highway right now, and I'm hoping (with regular 3000 mile
rotation...) to get at least 60000 from these.
I also had to align the car. It's now back to normal. Just wanted to
finish this.
06-30-2005, 06:46 PM
#123
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Tires. The Goodyear Wrangler GSA lasted 30,456 miles. Less if you
count the last three weeks of troubleshooting... The tires were
scuffed and out of round. Apparently that's not bad for these
tires...
Also one of the five upgrade aluminum wheels is out of round - what do
you want to bet that was the spare and they figured I'd never notice...
Anyway it was one of the running wheels and now is the spare unless I
can get the dealer to replace it.
I put Michelin LTX M/Ses on it - smooth and clean ride. I drive snow
and highway right now, and I'm hoping (with regular 3000 mile
rotation...) to get at least 60000 from these.
I also had to align the car. It's now back to normal. Just wanted to
finish this.
count the last three weeks of troubleshooting... The tires were
scuffed and out of round. Apparently that's not bad for these
tires...
Also one of the five upgrade aluminum wheels is out of round - what do
you want to bet that was the spare and they figured I'd never notice...
Anyway it was one of the running wheels and now is the spare unless I
can get the dealer to replace it.
I put Michelin LTX M/Ses on it - smooth and clean ride. I drive snow
and highway right now, and I'm hoping (with regular 3000 mile
rotation...) to get at least 60000 from these.
I also had to align the car. It's now back to normal. Just wanted to
finish this.
06-30-2005, 06:46 PM
#124
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Tires. The Goodyear Wrangler GSA lasted 30,456 miles. Less if you
count the last three weeks of troubleshooting... The tires were
scuffed and out of round. Apparently that's not bad for these
tires...
Also one of the five upgrade aluminum wheels is out of round - what do
you want to bet that was the spare and they figured I'd never notice...
Anyway it was one of the running wheels and now is the spare unless I
can get the dealer to replace it.
I put Michelin LTX M/Ses on it - smooth and clean ride. I drive snow
and highway right now, and I'm hoping (with regular 3000 mile
rotation...) to get at least 60000 from these.
I also had to align the car. It's now back to normal. Just wanted to
finish this.
count the last three weeks of troubleshooting... The tires were
scuffed and out of round. Apparently that's not bad for these
tires...
Also one of the five upgrade aluminum wheels is out of round - what do
you want to bet that was the spare and they figured I'd never notice...
Anyway it was one of the running wheels and now is the spare unless I
can get the dealer to replace it.
I put Michelin LTX M/Ses on it - smooth and clean ride. I drive snow
and highway right now, and I'm hoping (with regular 3000 mile
rotation...) to get at least 60000 from these.
I also had to align the car. It's now back to normal. Just wanted to
finish this.
06-30-2005, 06:46 PM
#125
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
Tires. The Goodyear Wrangler GSA lasted 30,456 miles. Less if you
count the last three weeks of troubleshooting... The tires were
scuffed and out of round. Apparently that's not bad for these
tires...
Also one of the five upgrade aluminum wheels is out of round - what do
you want to bet that was the spare and they figured I'd never notice...
Anyway it was one of the running wheels and now is the spare unless I
can get the dealer to replace it.
I put Michelin LTX M/Ses on it - smooth and clean ride. I drive snow
and highway right now, and I'm hoping (with regular 3000 mile
rotation...) to get at least 60000 from these.
I also had to align the car. It's now back to normal. Just wanted to
finish this.
count the last three weeks of troubleshooting... The tires were
scuffed and out of round. Apparently that's not bad for these
tires...
Also one of the five upgrade aluminum wheels is out of round - what do
you want to bet that was the spare and they figured I'd never notice...
Anyway it was one of the running wheels and now is the spare unless I
can get the dealer to replace it.
I put Michelin LTX M/Ses on it - smooth and clean ride. I drive snow
and highway right now, and I'm hoping (with regular 3000 mile
rotation...) to get at least 60000 from these.
I also had to align the car. It's now back to normal. Just wanted to
finish this.
06-30-2005, 11:53 PM
#126
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
people keep mentioning that the tires were the root cause, and I use people
loosely mind you.
I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front steering
myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a shot.....
damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>
>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>round as another poster suggested.
>
>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>--doug
--
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loosely mind you.
I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front steering
myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a shot.....
damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>
>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>round as another poster suggested.
>
>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>--doug
--
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06-30-2005, 11:53 PM
#127
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
people keep mentioning that the tires were the root cause, and I use people
loosely mind you.
I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front steering
myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a shot.....
damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>
>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>round as another poster suggested.
>
>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>--doug
--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
loosely mind you.
I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front steering
myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a shot.....
damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>
>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>round as another poster suggested.
>
>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>--doug
--
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06-30-2005, 11:53 PM
#128
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
people keep mentioning that the tires were the root cause, and I use people
loosely mind you.
I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front steering
myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a shot.....
damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>
>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>round as another poster suggested.
>
>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>--doug
--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
loosely mind you.
I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front steering
myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a shot.....
damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>
>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>round as another poster suggested.
>
>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>--doug
--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
06-30-2005, 11:53 PM
#129
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
people keep mentioning that the tires were the root cause, and I use people
loosely mind you.
I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front steering
myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a shot.....
damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>
>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>round as another poster suggested.
>
>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>--doug
--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
loosely mind you.
I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front steering
myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a shot.....
damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>
>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>round as another poster suggested.
>
>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>--doug
--
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07-01-2005, 10:46 AM
#130
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Re: 2004TJ front end wobble
We have been dealing with Jeeps for about 15 yrs anytime you have D.W. 95%
of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
Larry
"Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
news:50A6A9B3F8D60@CarKB.com...
> people keep mentioning that the tires were the root cause, and I use
> people
> loosely mind you.
> I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
> problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
> front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
> then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
> bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
> priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front
> steering
> myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a
> shot.....
>
>
>
> damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>>
>>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>>round as another poster suggested.
>>
>>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>>--doug
>
>
> --
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of the time it is TIRES!!! (with the TJ)
Larry
"Robb S via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
news:50A6A9B3F8D60@CarKB.com...
> people keep mentioning that the tires were the root cause, and I use
> people
> loosely mind you.
> I believe from reading your posts that the shocks are to blame for the
> problems, and not the tires. If your shocks were bad, especially in the
> front, that would cause all kinds of tire issues, and ruin your tires.
> then your tires may be causing DW. I'd think about replacing all of your
> bushings up front, and maybe even all of the steering components. I've
> priced them for a YJ in Quadratec, and I can replace my whole front
> steering
> myself for about $150 in parts.......plus new bushings.....worth a
> shot.....
>
>
>
> damgoodespresso@gmail.com wrote:
>>> So I switched to a street tire (BFG radial long trail T/A)and have
>>> never had a problem since, the car runs so smooth that its hard to
>>> believe your actually in a Jeep.
>>
>>Sounds like tires could be one of the causes. That would be a shame,
>>the Goodyear MTRs still look very good on the car. I'll keep this in
>>mind if I can't get the balance correct or if I find the tire is out of
>>round as another poster suggested.
>>
>>I am so hoping that tightening the trackbar will stop this.
>>--doug
>
>
> --
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